Crosby being Crosby is obvious, the fact that they added to him and did it the right way is a testament to the team. I hope the Isles bounce them but that doesn't change the fact they built a team around Crosby that meets today NHL, they have speed, skill and grit. Coming into this season who was supposed to have more depth the Pens or Flyers? Who was supposed to take a step back? Who a step forward? Why? now why not? its easy to see, the Pens put together a better blend of players. They added on the fly in the same market the Flyers did. The Flyers don't have a Crosby but coming into this season "the Depth" was going to carry them and make them better than a Pitt, even with Crosby. The Flyers following the Blues model.

It can be done and has been done. The Flyers need a shake up but if they get the right mix, the youngens bounce back and other grow, with a little luck the Flyers can be much better next season.
- wcorvette

I’m all in favor for getting a new mix in here, I just think that more needs to be done. I think it needs to be torn down.

Please stop answering Fopa
- ClaudeFather

So is it supposed to be "Foppa" or "Fo pa"? Seems like the latter makes sense.

Flyers don't need a rebuild, they need to do their best to use the assets they have to get better. We have seen a rebuild and it brought us to here, then you have teams like the Pens who have just added the right parts to stay relevant. Yes, yes I agree having Crosby makes it easier but they have good parts, Crosby didn't lift the team this year.

Look at the players they added, KAP, Carter, Zucker, Tanez and they hit on picks in the draft like a Guentzel.


Change up the core, overpay with assests to get the right player to add to the core. There will be 30 other teams, who didn't win the cup, looking for changes.
- wcorvette

When have we seen a rebuild?

I don't know why some people expect Giroux to be constantly putting up massive numbers like younger in their prime players making way more money than him

he's 33 making $8.25M, if a team is expecting their oldest forward to carry the team then they've got bigger problems than just one player's performance

the most important thing Giroux can do for the rest of his Flyers career is raise the kids right
- Coburns_Nose

That's sort of the problem. Paying 8 million dollars and getting 4 million dollar results.

I'm not mad at the guy. I just accept it for what is. It's time to move on.

flyers need to rebuild there's no culture of toughess or winning

I don’t see it because I’m not drunk like you. Anyone with a brain knows he doesn’t work hard
- Fopa21

This guy, really? This guy is trying to educate us on Flyers hockey??

I don't know why some people expect Giroux to be constantly putting up massive numbers like younger in their prime players making way more money than him

he's 33 making $8.25M, if a team is expecting their oldest forward to carry the team then they've got bigger problems than just one player's performance

the most important thing Giroux can do for the rest of his Flyers career is raise the kids right
- Coburns_Nose

If someone doesn’t like G’s usage, too many minutes at times and too few at times, and line combinations...that falls squarely on coaching. IMO, Giroux should have one of the young guys that has a decent shot, Allison, Farabee or TK, on his line at all times. It would certainly be great if G could be given a reduced role because other players step up...until then, I am not going to blame the guy at the end of the rope pulling it the right way.

That's sort of the problem. Paying 8 million dollars and getting 4 million dollar results.

I'm not mad at the guy. I just accept it for what is. It's time to move on.
- Pelle31Forever

Yep.
Something has to give.
While we have very little chance of getting him to waive his No-Trade, Giroux should not be considered untouchable any more.
Probably one of the best 2nd line players in the league.

I’m all in favor for getting a new mix in here, I just think that more needs to be done. I think it needs to be torn down.
- ClaudeFather

there is a case for that, no case for standing pat. I just don't know if tear it down and hope the next best player comes along works. I think the Rangers did it right. Kept the right pieces and let the others go. I am all for letting JVR and JAKE go, as long as the plan is there to replace them.

If someone doesn’t like G’s usage, too many minutes at times and too few at times, and line combinations...that falls squarely on coaching. IMO, Giroux should have one of the young guys that has a decent shot, Allison, Farabee or TK, on his line at all times. It would certainly be great if G could be given a reduced role because other players step up...until then, I am not going to blame the guy at the end of the rope pulling it the right way.
- NC Flyers Fan

good point, I do think TK needs to be with either G or Coots. Reading what you wrote, I think G, Jake and Allison might work. Two pass happy players and a guy that can shoot and wants to shoot

there is a case for that, no case for standing pat. I just don't know if tear it down and hope the next best player comes along works. I think the Rangers did it right. Kept the right pieces and let the others go. I am all for letting JVR and JAKE go, as long as the plan is there to replace them.
- wcorvette

Something needs to be done is right. Rangers were also able to land a top 10 player in the game, can the Flyers?

Something needs to be done is right. Rangers were also able to land a top 10 player in the game, can the Flyers?
- ClaudeFather

who knows but agree they need to try. I just don't know who that would be. The more likely is they add high quality pieces. Rangers also got the lotto twice, we will see if those players make the difference. My guess is the Panarin types do but so far I dont see that with their top 2 picks. Them, Jack Hughes will all be really good to great players but the top side more similar to G.

good point, I do think TK needs to be with either G or Coots. Reading what you wrote, I think G, Jake and Allison might work. Two pass happy players and a guy that can shoot and wants to shoot
- wcorvette

I would hope that we don’t lose one or both Jake and JVR without a plan to replace the veteran playmaking and PP spots. They really need to consider the mix and get it right.

On the news about Hayes having core muscle surgery, my reaction is why on earth did the Flyers play him down the stretch? The team was not making the playoffs, and the Phantom season was without playoffs. I would have accepted literally any call up and a simple explanation that Hayes needs surgery. Why not get it done as soon as possible to rehab for next year?

good point, I do think TK needs to be with either G or Coots. Reading what you wrote, I think G, Jake and Allison might work. Two pass happy players and a guy that can shoot and wants to shoot
- wcorvette

The problem with finding linemates for G is trying to find the right players he can play woth. Yes, he needs a sniper but he also needs size/physicality, willingness to go to dirty areas, someone who is defensively responsible because he lacks all of those traits. Furthermore, it’s also an organizational problem as they have to many of the same players who are small & not physically imposing. Farabee, TK, Frost, G all being relatively the same player. Also, the few bigger guys they do have JVR, Hayes & Jake to an extent don’t play big

I would hope that we don’t lose one or both Jake and JVR without a plan to replace the veteran playmaking and PP spots. They really need to consider the mix and get it right.

On the news about Hayes having core muscle surgery, my reaction is why on earth did the Flyers play him down the stretch? The team was not making the playoffs, and the Phantom season was without playoffs. I would have accepted literally any call up and a simple explanation that Hayes needs surgery. Why not get it done as soon as possible to rehab for next year?


- NC Flyers Fan

Where did you read that? Watching the three games this weekend I thought of Hayes, where would he fit in on any of the six teams I saw playing. My answer was none of them. Sad but true.

Where did you read that? Watching the three games this weekend I thought of Hayes, where would he fit in on any of the six teams I saw playing. My answer was none of them. Sad but true.
- Robert's Plant

Same thing with G Patrick Sanheim Myers. I couldn’t imagine any of them not crapping all over themselves if they were in that fla/tb series. That is hockey

I would hope that we don’t lose one or both Jake and JVR without a plan to replace the veteran playmaking and PP spots. They really need to consider the mix and get it right.

On the news about Hayes having core muscle surgery, my reaction is why on earth did the Flyers play him down the stretch? The team was not making the playoffs, and the Phantom season was without playoffs. I would have accepted literally any call up and a simple explanation that Hayes needs surgery. Why not get it done as soon as possible to rehab for next year?


- NC Flyers Fan

I didn't see that, yeah why would they. Typically it takes time to recover from that surgery. I don't know if there are varying degrees of severity for that injury, I hope so, if it is minor like he said. Being the optimist, at least we have some reason why he sucked so bad

Same thing with G Patrick Sanheim Myers. I couldn’t imagine any of them not crapping all over themselves if they were in that fla/tb series. That is hockey
- Fopa21

It's a long way to the top, if you want to Rock and Roll

Where did you read that? Watching the three games this weekend I thought of Hayes, where would he fit in on any of the six teams I saw playing. My answer was none of them. Sad but true.
- Robert's Plant

https://twitter.com/broad.../1394329729390555137?s=21

He was so ineffective at the end of the season. He looked better last year, but I hear you.

I didn't see that, yeah why would they. Typically it takes time to recover from that surgery. I don't know if there are varying degrees of severity for that injury, I hope so, if it is minor like he said. Being the optimist, at least we have some reason why he sucked so bad
- wcorvette

I’m still mad about it.

From last blob:

What if the player you tanked for does not work out or gets hurt. See Patrick

What is your specific plan then?
- Joe Nardone

What’s your plan bud?
- ClaudeFather

Step 1: Years 1-4 max: no better than a top 8 pick. No signings of high priced agents. Trade current stars for more high picks/ good prospects.

Keep a few old guys around for character, toughness, etc. End this period with a load of young raw talent and lotsa cap space.

Step 2: Years 5-7 max: Do you have some premier talent? If so, sign UFA complementary pieces. If not, try to get best top end talent via trade/UFA. Overpay if necessary, but no one over 28.

Step 3: Years 7-17 max. All core pieces are now in place, and young. Trade for fit, sign toughness.toughness, so on. 10 odd year window to contend.

Step 4: Years 18-20. Start preparing for step 1 above.

https://twitter.com/broadstbull/status/1394329729390555137?s=21

He was so ineffective at the end of the season. He looked better last year, but I hear you.
- NC Flyers Fan

His play reeked of needing hernia surgery. You ruled out Covid haze (he was never in protocol). Someone else pointed out he had trouble accelerating/decelerating. The last screams hernia/hernia like injury.

When have we seen a rebuild?
- Pelle31Forever

We haven't. That's the problem.

Crosby being Crosby is obvious, the fact that they added to him and did it the right way is a testament to the team. I hope the Isles bounce them but that doesn't change the fact they built a team around Crosby that meets today NHL, they have speed, skill and grit. Coming into this season who was supposed to have more depth the Pens or Flyers? Who was supposed to take a step back? Who a step forward? Why? now why not? its easy to see, the Pens put together a better blend of players. They added on the fly in the same market the Flyers did. The Flyers don't have a Crosby but coming into this season "the Depth" was going to carry them and make them better than a Pitt, even with Crosby. The Flyers following the Blues model.

It can be done and has been done. The Flyers need a shake up but if they get the right mix, the youngens bounce back and other grow, with a little luck the Flyers can be much better next season.
- wcorvette

Ah, again with the freakish Blues. Quite apart from that fact that with Binnington's regression it appears Blues really did catch lightning in a bottle that year (like Mark Rypien's 1991 season with the WTF team), there is one thing Blues always had we don't. They had a identity as a heavy physical team with great attention to defensive play throughout roster, and guys they added (ROR, Schenn), fit that role well.

We are a mishmash. Voracek, TK, JVR are never going to be great defensive players and neither will Roo at this stage of career. If we manage to get Seth jones, who would be a perfect anchor for that style (more than Dougie Hamilton), I would get rid of those 4, and build around Couts/Hayes/Bee/Oskar/Laughton/Allison. I would try and land a guy like Tkatchuk here and not worry about a guy like Frost. We would be a team with a defense first mentality, who scores opportunistic goals and all our forwards are great 2 way players.

So is it supposed to be "Foppa" or "Fo pa"? Seems like the latter makes sense.
- mickel25

Gasp. You dastardly plagiarist, you

https://www.hockeybuzz.co...p?thread_id=172518&page=8

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