All true but green is a much better coach than Willie. I like him. But everyone should be fired 🤷‍♂️
- CanuckDon

Green is a better coach but also a very inexperienced coach.

Even WD had 26 years of coaching and was an NHL asst in Dallas for a short time before Canucks coach.

NYR interviewing Rick Tocchet and Gerrard Gallant and Torts.

If JB interviewed someone else, pretty sure Van would have a new coach.

As I said when there was a big kerfuffle about his tweets. "Never heard of this guy and now his is gods word"

VHG knew who he was and he seemed to be the only one.
- manvanfan

the sad thing is that rumours take hold here because everything is believable in this chaotic BS.

he probably heard that big changes were coming (sedins) and surmised that this meant that JB was gone. mixing truth with conjecture.

but if there was actual discipline in the team's public messaging, this type of noise would be limited.

let's be honest, when the owner is making changes to the hockey operations by hiring people below the GM, the organizational structure is non-traditional (i use that word as a euphemism for what i really wanted to say.) in this type of environment, it breeds miscommunication. so, yeah, the tweeter was dumb but that makes him no worse than those he was tweeting about.

Green is a better coach but also a very inexperienced coach.

Even WD had 26 years of coaching and was an NHL asst in Dallas for a short time before Canucks coach.

NYR interviewing Rick Tocchet and Gerrard Gallant and Torts.

If JB interviewed someone else, pretty sure Van would have a new coach.
- manvanfan

Gallant will end up in NY for sure

Do you want Green back? Just because the players wants something doesn’t make it right. They probably like their cozy country club
- CanuckDon

At this point I'm kind of 50/50 on him coming back, but I think that the players appealing to have him and Clark back is not insignificant.

If we start next year with a different coach and the same GM(the most likely outcome) I think most will be extremely disappointed.

You are being dishonest though. The media has mentioned 75 times that Benning wants to bring green back.
- CanuckDon

i dont have social media, and haven't been paying attention outside of what my buddy sends me. What I get sent to me is what I get, twitter/facebook/instagram are all toxic wastes of platforms

At this point I'm kind of 50/50 on him coming back, but I think that the players appealing to have him and Clark back is not insignificant.

If we start next year with a different coach and the same GM(the most likely outcome) I think most will be extremely disappointed.
- NorthNuck

i think less would be disappointed than if both came back (at least in here.)

i'm in the bring everyone but Clark back camp. bring back the entire coaching staff plus edler and sutter. let clark go to a real team.

I don't understand how he can not look at Sutter's body of work and not realize that he isn't very good. Green also.

Green did play Michaelis in 15 games even though he did nothing in any of them.
- manvanfan

i dont get it either. the guy underachieved relative to his cap hit, and faceoffs/"leadership" dont make up for what he didn't provide on the scoresheets.

the sad thing is that rumours take hold here because everything is believable in this chaotic BS.

he probably heard that big changes were coming (sedins) and surmised that this meant that JB was gone. mixing truth with conjecture.

but if there was actual discipline in the team's public messaging, this type of noise would be limited.

let's be honest, when the owner is making changes to the hockey operations by hiring people below the GM, the organizational structure is non-traditional (i use that word as a euphemism for what i really wanted to say.) in this type of environment, it breeds miscommunication. so, yeah, the tweeter was dumb but that makes him no worse than those he was tweeting about.
- RealityChecker

Canucks GMs have always said that Van media over analyze everything.

Just goes back to part of the Canucks fan base needing to have their hand held by the organization.

I'm sure all the questions people have about the organization will be answered in time. Just not when the babies start stamping their feet demanding them.

Yes. All the efforts should be in getting a legit d. Trade whoever to stack the d.


Sign Hamilton
Trade for Ekblad cause you may be able to pry him away and all of a sudden the de goes from terrible to pretty solid
Bring Hammy back

Hamilton Hamonic Hughes Ekblad Sxhmidt Myers Rathnone.

That is a very solid and dynamic de
- Jkuzzi

Yeah... that's never going to happen.

Gallant will end up in NY for sure
- CanuckDon

I think he is still holding out for Seattle. I don't think New York has a style of team that suits him.

i dont have social media, and haven't been paying attention outside of what my buddy sends me. What I get sent to me is what I get, twitter/facebook/instagram are all toxic wastes of platforms
- Codes1087

Ok fair enough. Benning has been trying to bring back all of the coaches. Ownership said no. He isn’t calling the shots

i dont get it either. the guy underachieved relative to his cap hit, and faceoffs/"leadership" dont make up for what he didn't provide on the scoresheets.
- Codes1087

I’d be shocked if Sutter is back. Dont see it. I suspect he will get into coaching

Yeah... that's never going to happen.
- Lotto 6-40-9

Don’t ruin his high

Canucks GMs have always said that Van media over analyze everything.

Just goes back to part of the Canucks fan base needing to have their hand held by the organization.

I'm sure all the questions people have about the organization will be answered in time. Just not when the babies start stamping their feet demanding them.
- manvanfan

yeah, i'm going to disagree with you here.

i think a lot of the people can see what's going on within the organization. they see the dysfunction.

a lot of the fanbase just doesn't want to see the negative so they lash out at negative media because their feelings get hurt. ultimately, they don't want to be sad that the team they support might not be headed in the right direction. it's a childish mentality but ultimately sports is about passion and feelings so they choose to blindly cheer rather than be objective.

I think he is still holding out for Seattle. I don't think New York has a style of team that suits him.
- manvanfan

Is he the designated expansion Coach or something?

Ok fair enough. Benning has been trying to bring back all of the coaches. Ownership said no. He isn’t calling the shots
- CanuckDon

to be honest, i know the vancouver media has a pretty strong impression on the fan base, but I am not sure I would believe a single word of anyone. Ian was a clown, Patterson is a clown, Rick D started putting out statements for clickbait. I don't think any of them truly have an inside ear on what goes on behind closed doors.

i dont get it either. the guy underachieved relative to his cap hit, and faceoffs/"leadership" dont make up for what he didn't provide on the scoresheets.
- Codes1087

You can look to see what the other options have been and how they performed. Boyd, Vesey, Gaudette, Michaelis. Sutter is better than those guys. Just not 4 times better.

Jim needs a way to find some guys that are going to out perform their past. Which other than natural progression of youth hasn't been accomplished by anyone other than Roussel when he was allowed to play with Bo in his first year. So thats partially on Green for players not performing also.

Ive stated a few times that Green didnt develop anyone in Utica and its been the same in Van.

I’d be shocked if Sutter is back. Dont see it. I suspect he will get into coaching
- CanuckDon

I think if Benning wanted to trade him at 50% retained this year, he would have. It to me is probably the main reason I think he wants to bring him back.

If this team rolls back with the same GM and coach and assistant it's going to be another long painful season.

I'm hoping the Sedins provide some level of input, assess what they see from an outside perspective, and start to advise structural changes to the entire organization.

yeah, i'm going to disagree with you here.

i think a lot of the people can see what's going on within the organization. they see the dysfunction.

a lot of the fanbase just doesn't want to see the negative so they lash out at negative media because their feelings get hurt. ultimately, they don't want to be sad that the team they support might not be headed in the right direction. it's a childish mentality but ultimately sports is about passion and feelings so they choose to blindly cheer rather than be objective.
- RealityChecker

I will disagree with you. If the team is going in the wrong direction, changes can be made but the part of the fan base that I know doesn't listen to Van media are pretty calm about the state of the franchise.

The only people that talk about blindly following are the ones that listen mostly to the Van media.

I will disagree with you. If the team is going in the wrong direction, changes can be made but the part of the fan base that I know doesn't listen to Van media are pretty calm about the state of the franchise.

The only people that talk about blindly following are the ones that listen mostly to the Van media.
- manvanfan

i have no idea how you know who is calm and why? i don't even know how you would ascertain which part of the fanbase listens to van media let alone how you know whether they believe what they hear.

i just think that there are different factions within the fanbase and this thread is just a microcosm.

If this team rolls back with the same GM and coach and assistant it's going to be another long painful season.

I'm hoping the Sedins provide some level of input, assess what they see from an outside perspective, and start to advise structural changes to the entire organization.
- NewYorkNuck

question (half tongue in cheek; half serious): who do they provide their advise to? is it to both the GM and owner? who acts on that info?

question (half tongue in cheek; half serious): who do they provide their advise to? is it to both the GM and owner? who acts on that info?
- RealityChecker

Good question. They're very smart guys, they're dedicated and I don't foresee them putting themselves in a bad position. I would have to think that before agreeing to anything, they'd be frank with FA about how much weight their advise carries, the plan in the organization, and what he expects/wants from them.

I'd assume they'd tell FA (as we all know JB is on the outs), and they'd start implementing some behind the scenes stuff that doesn't interfere with the GMing as of yet. More personnel, more resources into this, structural change that, buy outs are good.. whatever. Hopefully they also carry enough clout and pedigree for FA to listen to them if/when they tell him he has to back off being so hands on.

Sutter taking shots at Benning

"with how successful we were in the bubble last year, its really surprising to me that no contract offers were made to the coaching staff at some point during the year this year"
- Codes1087

The key in that quote is, "successful in the bubble last year."

Did he not look at the standings THIS year? That might be why they're not running to sign anyone.

The key in that quote is, "successful in the bubble last year."

Did he not look at the standings THIS year? That might be why they're not running to sign anyone.
- Lotto 6-40-9

Is that on Travis or is that on management/ownership?

Players seem to keep referring to losing key players in the offseason, and pointing out today that the key to success would be adding key pieces and quality players moving forward.