That is a serious problem for a GM who has had 7 years to rebuild the team.
- 1970vintage

He's acquired:
a top center in EP(you disagree, most of the hockey world agrees).
top line winger in Boeser
top line winger in Miller
2nd line winger in Hoglander
top PMD in Hughes
#1 workhorse goalie in Demko

Pod is TBD

Basically, he's acquired a core player under the age of 30 almost every year.

There was only 21 forwards in the league that did that this year.
- manvanfan

Benning is an idiot for not having 2-3 of those guys!!

see my edit, no one's saying to sign a 30 year old to a 3+ year deal.
- Nucker101

see my response to rosterhawk.

your strategy is exactly the same as JB's strategy for the last 7 years.

the funny thing is that even if he does sign an impactful 3C, the players around him will diminish his impact making him seem worse than he is.

put another way, the team will improve slightly. it'll tread water for a couple of years and then it'll be back to where we are today.

kinda like how we got to where we are at. ffs

that wasn't my point.

my point is that you run with what you got. when you're actually about to compete (and they are not now, nor next year) is when you go out and sign/trade for impact players.

by signing a impactful UFA now, the team will be better next year but when they are truly able to make the jump, that UFA will most likely be on the decline.

so, the point you missed is that you either draft and develop them (which you'll find out in 2-3 years) or you go out and get that in 2-3 years when the team is ready to fully compete.

you guys think that they are 1 or 2 players away. even JB said 2 years. and that's coming from a guy who was trying to save his job.
- RealityChecker

He saved it!
Only 2 more years until the team plays competitive hockey and fights for a playoff spot. They've never been closer, this is so exciting!

He's acquired:
a top center in EP(you disagree, most of the hockey world agrees).
top line winger in Boeser
top line winger in Miller
2nd line winger in Hoglander
top PMD in Hughes
#1 workhorse goalie in Demko

Pod is TBD

Basically, he's acquired a core player under the age of 30 almost every year.
- Nucker101

Now do his misses

Please don't tell me you are insuating that was more on holtby than it was Hughes, cause that's ridiculous lol
- Codes1087

Allowing harmless shot along the ice happens multiple times every damn game, no one cares if a rusty Holtby makes that routine save.

There was only 21 forwards in the league that did that this year.
- manvanfan

Are any of them Canucks?

That is a serious problem for a GM who has had 7 years to rebuild the team.
- 1970vintage

He remade the top 6 from nothing. It takes time after the mess he inherited hence why it’s time to make a top 3rd line.

The D was in shambles & even harder to fix.

In goal we look very good after starting from scratch.

Stan the Man is already there.
- 1970vintage

He needs a higher profile role. It's time to really celebrate the achievements and history of this exciting team.

that wasn't my point.

my point is that you run with what you got. when you're actually about to compete (and they are not now, nor next year) is when you go out and sign/trade for impact players.

by signing a impactful UFA now, the team will be better next year but when they are truly able to make the jump, that UFA will most likely be on the decline.

so, the point you missed is that you either draft and develop them (which you'll find out in 2-3 years) or you go out and get that in 2-3 years when the team is ready to fully compete.

you guys think that they are 1 or 2 players away. even JB said 2 years. and that's coming from a guy who was trying to save his job.
- RealityChecker

So basically just sit on your hands, and only use the draft to acquire new talent, no smart trades, no value signings, makes sense.

You guys basically want a gutless conservative GM who won't do anything creative or aggressive and be happy to just draft players and be satisfied with a losing franchise. Look at all the teams who had quick turnarounds, they didn't just sit on their hands, they made moves.

Such an exciting time for both the Canucks and their fans!
Adding players from the 1994 & 2011 Stanley Cup runs to management and advisory roles, screams passion and success.
- Marwood

Your jokes are so creative! And I like how they're one and done and you rarely re-use them. For example, the "so much to celebrate" joke. Very cutting edge stuff. Hats off to you sir.

Reading comprehension is weak as hell
- Nucker101[/u]


We're discussing long term fits and solutions ffs, if Danault is too expensive then wait. The window opens during the 22/23 season, there's plenty of time between now and then. Were just dissing him as a possibility and the benefits of acquiring him or a similar player at some point in the future. It's not Danault or bust.

i just saw this edit.

i thought you were above personal attacks. that hurt my feelings, you big meanie!

Allowing harmless shot along the ice happens multiple times every damn game, no one cares if a rusty Holtby makes that routine save.
- Nucker101

Oh man lol. Alright agree to disagree.

that wasn't my point.

my point is that you run with what you got. when you're actually about to compete (and they are not now, nor next year) is when you go out and sign/trade for impact players.

by signing a impactful UFA now, the team will be better next year but when they are truly able to make the jump, that UFA will most likely be on the decline.

so, the point you missed is that you either draft and develop them (which you'll find out in 2-3 years) or you go out and get that in 2-3 years when the team is ready to fully compete.

you guys think that they are 1 or 2 players away. even JB said 2 years. and that's coming from a guy who was trying to save his job.
- RealityChecker

My point is a good 3C allows winger prospects to further improve. They get mired in a state of no mans land if not.

https://www.capfriendly.com/players/phillip-danault

Size speed skill only 28
- Nighthawk

He isnt fast, doesn't have that much skill and as you said his linemates aren't better because of him. Its the mtl dream. Its like Jordie Benn coming to Van. Not nearly as good as anyone thought he was.

He's acquired:
a top center in EP(you disagree, most of the hockey world agrees).
top line winger in Boeser
top line winger in Miller
2nd line winger in Hoglander
top PMD in Hughes
#1 workhorse goalie in Demko

Pod is TBD

Basically, he's acquired a core player under the age of 30 almost every year.
- Nucker101

Most of the hockey world also think Travis Green is a very good NHL coach 🤷‍♂️

I’m not saying Petey isn’t a top line C, I’m saying I’m not sure yet. He’s been good mostly.

If you go through the seven year history of the league could you say the same thing about other teams? I bet the answer is yes.

So basically just sit on your hands, and only use the draft to acquire new talent, no smart trades, no value signings, makes sense.

You guys basically want a gutless conservative GM who won't do anything creative or aggressive and be happy to just draft players and be satisfied with a losing franchise. Look at all the teams who had quick turnarounds, they didn't just sit on their hands, they made moves.
- Nucker101

no i'm looking to get a GM who recognizes his mistakes and realizes there are no easy fixes.

you live with the mistakes and wait until you have cap space.

you don't keep spending to the max and wonder why you have no cap space to take advantage of teams in cap/expansion crunches.

i just saw this edit.

i thought you were above personal attacks. that hurt my feelings, you big meanie!
- RealityChecker

How is that a personal attack? You're constantly misinterpreting the posts of the positive posters in here and putting words into their mouths with your hyperbole. It's just a fact.

Your jokes are so creative! And I like how they're one and done and you rarely re-use them. For example, the "so much to celebrate" joke. Very cutting edge stuff. Hats off to you sir.
- Brooks_Light

I'm just so excited about the future of this team! I'm sorry if my glee is a little overwhelming.

see my response to rosterhawk.

your strategy is exactly the same as JB's strategy for the last 7 years.

the funny thing is that even if he does sign an impactful 3C, the players around him will diminish his impact making him seem worse than he is.

put another way, the team will improve slightly. it'll tread water for a couple of years and then it'll be back to where we are today.

kinda like how we got to where we are at. ffs
- RealityChecker

You highly underrate Danault. Furthermore a C drives a line & wingers are better for it.

Sutter is solid but a winger killer etc etc

Most of the hockey world also think Travis Green is a very good NHL coach 🤷‍♂️

I’m not saying Petey isn’t a top line C, I’m saying I’m not sure yet. He’s been good mostly.

If you go through the seven year history of the league could you say the same thing about other teams? I bet the answer is yes.
- 1970vintage

You just said you want PPG+ and strong all-around play in all situations(PP, PK, 5V5) from your core, so basically you want a core full of top 25 players.

Safe to say that your expectations are unrealistic, even stars McDavid and MacKinnon don't kill penalties and aren't highly thought of defensively.

Now do his misses
- Codes1087

JV but not all on JB
OJ but still viable as an NHLer bottom 4

He remade the top 6 from nothing. It takes time after the mess he inherited hence why it’s time to make a top 3rd line.

The D was in shambles & even harder to fix.

In goal we look very good after starting from scratch.
- Nighthawk

He inherited a team that finished with over 100 points, 1st in the division, with two hall of fame forwards.

Are any of them Canucks?
- 1970vintage

Are any NYI?

no i'm looking to get a GM who recognizes his mistakes and realizes there are no easy fixes.

you live with the mistakes and wait until you have cap space.

you don't keep spending to the max and wonder why you have no cap space to take advantage of teams in cap/expansion crunches.
- RealityChecker

So the Canucks shouldn't do anything with their cap space during the summer of 2022? Maybe just take on a bad contract or 2 for picks? sounds like a great way to piss off the core, why would Horvat stick around for that?