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golfingsince
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Joined: 11.30.2011

May 24 @ 2:49 PM ET
Give the Jets full marks McD and Drai have pretty much been shut down 5/5. Not a small feat. Jets are PO hardened.
- LordHumungous

Gretzky would have 12 points already.
Load Management
Season Ticket Holder
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Billings Spit, BC
Joined: 09.22.2019

May 24 @ 2:51 PM ET
It's impressive what the Jets are doing vs the two best players in the league.
- LordHumungous

Very impressive. They got backed off for a bit last game but I think penalties were a big part.
Codes1087
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 09.24.2014

May 24 @ 3:29 PM ET
Ended up wirh six crabs, two dungees and 4 reds. 6bpack and abiut 2 hiurs at sidney pier on a beauty day. Didn't get to watch anybpuck but garlic butter fresh crab and beer was a huge W. Codes there's tons of families and it's a pretty good day 10/10 recommended
- neem55


We take the kids to the pier often. There is a little restaurant there that sells amazing crab cakes. Weather would have been great for it yesterday though!
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

May 24 @ 3:32 PM ET
Very impressive. They got backed off for a bit last game but I think penalties were a big part.
- Load Management

I suspect that carries over into next game, NHL wants longer series
LordHumungous
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Greetings from the Humungous. Ayatollah of rock and rolla!
Joined: 08.15.2014

May 24 @ 3:38 PM ET
You know it’s bad in Edmonton when you get owned by a soft perimeter player like Ehlers in the playoffs
- Nucker101

Correct.
Shuswap Wap
Location: BC
Joined: 02.07.2018

May 24 @ 3:50 PM ET
lame. c'mon, try harder.
- RealityChecker

Ok…..
LordHumungous
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Greetings from the Humungous. Ayatollah of rock and rolla!
Joined: 08.15.2014

May 24 @ 3:55 PM ET
Gretzky would have 12 points already.
- golfingsince

Quite possible but Wayne also had one of the best assembled teams in NHL history backing him up...McD and Drai not so much lol
neem55
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 02.02.2012

May 24 @ 4:03 PM ET
i've been told that the playoffs are what tell the real story so... mcdavid and drai - overrated?
- RealityChecker

I'd take Mckinnon or Hedman over either in less than a heartbeat
NewYorkNuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 07.11.2015

May 24 @ 4:15 PM ET
I'd take Mckinnon or Hedman over either in less than a heartbeat
- neem55




Watching him play is exciting. He's so quick and shifty.
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

May 24 @ 4:27 PM ET
I'd take Mckinnon or Hedman over either in less than a heartbeat
- neem55


McDavid would also probably take MacKinnons and Hedman's supporting casts over his own in a heartbeat. This is't the NBA or NFL where on player can make that massive of an impact, you need quality depth to win(solid goaltending, top 4 d, top 9 f).
Load Management
Season Ticket Holder
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Billings Spit, BC
Joined: 09.22.2019

May 24 @ 4:32 PM ET
McDavid would also probably take MacKinnons and Hedman's supporting casts over his own in a heartbeat. This is't the NBA or NFL where on player can make that massive of an impact, you need quality depth to win(solid goaltending, top 4 d, top 9 f).
- Nucker101

I'd take either supporting cast.
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

May 24 @ 4:32 PM ET
It's impressive what the Jets are doing vs the two best players in the league.
- LordHumungous

More to being the best than scoring.
golfingsince
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Joined: 11.30.2011

May 24 @ 4:32 PM ET
McDavid would also probably take MacKinnons and Hedman's supporting casts over his own in a heartbeat. This is't the NBA or NFL where on player can make that massive of an impact, you need quality depth to win(solid goaltending, top 4 d, top 9 f).
- Nucker101

It's more like the NBA than the NFL is and it's not even close.
golfingsince
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May 24 @ 4:34 PM ET
Quite possible but Wayne also had one of the best assembled teams in NHL history backing him up...McD and Drai not so much lol
- LordHumungous

The Kings?
neem55
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 02.02.2012

May 24 @ 4:36 PM ET
We take the kids to the pier often. There is a little restaurant there that sells amazing crab cakes. Weather would have been great for it yesterday though!
- Codes1087

Nice, I'll be on the lookout, what's it called?
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

May 24 @ 4:39 PM ET
It's more like the NBA than the NFL is and it's not even close.
- golfingsince


I'm an NBA fan the impact one superstar can make in that league is bigger than any superstar can make in the NHL and it's honestly not even close except for maybe when a goalie plays out of his kind in the NHL, except that isn't as nearly as sustainable as a NBA superstar producing like he normal does.

It's actually one of the most frustrating parts of the league for NBA fans, some teams with great management can never get over the hump if they don't find a true superstar in the draft, justing having a deep roster with a couple of star players who aren't top 20 talents usually limits your ceiling to maybe a conference finals loss at best.

In the NHL you can win a cup like the Blues without having a player who everyone considers to be a top 10/top 15 player.
neem55
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 02.02.2012

May 24 @ 4:40 PM ET
McDavid would also probably take MacKinnons and Hedman's supporting casts over his own in a heartbeat. This is't the NBA or NFL where on player can make that massive of an impact, you need quality depth to win(solid goaltending, top 4 d, top 9 f).
- Nucker101

The difference being the player being able to play half the game and defend well while doing it. I agree you need a lot of pieces but he should be the best player and able to do what Sid or Nate does defensively. Otherwise he's kinda not the best player imo.
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

May 24 @ 4:41 PM ET
The difference being the player being able to play half the game and defend well while doing it. I agree you need a lot of pieces but he should be the best player and able to do what Sid or Nate does defensively. Otherwise he's kinda not the best player imo.
- neem55



I agree that he's not the best defensive player, but what I'm saying is that would probably not even matter if he had a great supporting cast like Hedman does.
golfingsince
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May 24 @ 4:42 PM ET
I'm an NBA fan the impact one superstar can make in that league is bigger than any superstar can make in the NHL and it's honestly not even close except for maybe when a goalie plays out of his kind in the NHL, except that isn't as nearly as sustainable as a NBA superstar producing like he normal does.

It's actually one of the most frustrating parts of the league for NBA fans, some teams with great management can never get over the hump if they don't find a true superstar in the draft, justing having a deep roster with a couple of star players who aren't top 20 talents usually limits your ceiling to maybe a conference finals loss at best.

In the NHL you can win a cup like the Blues without having a player who everyone considers to be a top 10/top 15 player.

- Nucker101



That's fine, but you mentioned the NFL as well.

Also, top level goaltending is as great an equalizer as any aspect of the NBA. Even Micheal Jordan couldn't beat the well constructed roster of the 80's Celtics despite every Celtic player knowing MJ was so much better than any of them.
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

May 24 @ 4:43 PM ET
The difference being the player being able to play half the game and defend well while doing it. I agree you need a lot of pieces but he should be the best player and able to do what Sid or Nate does defensively. Otherwise he's kinda not the best player imo.
- neem55

Bergeron is a complete player a winner & gives it every year. Most underrated type of player.
bloatedmosquito
Vancouver Canucks
Location: The Clit Whisperer
Joined: 10.22.2011

May 24 @ 4:44 PM ET
It's more like the NBA than the NFL is and it's not even close.
- golfingsince


The NFL can be a one-man-show depending on the man...

Retinalz
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 01.31.2015

May 24 @ 4:45 PM ET
McDavid would also probably take MacKinnons and Hedman's supporting casts over his own in a heartbeat. This is't the NBA or NFL where on player can make that massive of an impact, you need quality depth to win(solid goaltending, top 4 d, top 9 f).
- Nucker101

He didn't want it. A difference of 6.2m in cap is a big part of the difference in supporting cast.
Nighthawk
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Canuckville, BC
Joined: 01.09.2015

May 24 @ 4:46 PM ET
The highest paid player at an early age should be better. A captain leads in all ways.

Sure McD is fantastic but his cap hit did the team no favours. Drai is a bargain at what he does.
golfingsince
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Joined: 11.30.2011

May 24 @ 4:46 PM ET
The NFL can be a one-man-show depending on the man...


- bloatedmosquito

That's such a fallacy. TB had a great team assembled before he got there and added to it.

No way Brady wins a shootout with Mahomes.

Also, check out Brady's first two SB wins and his last one in NE. That's called solid QB play riding a defense.
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

May 24 @ 4:47 PM ET
That's fine, but you mentioned the NFL as well.

Also, top level goaltending is as great an equalizer as any aspect of the NBA. Even Micheal Jordan couldn't beat the well constructed roster of the 80's Celtics despite every Celtic player knowing MJ was so much better than any of them.

- golfingsince


I agree about goaltending, but like I said the level of goaltending equal to the impact of a guy like Jordan/LeBron is just unsustainable, sure you can get an amazing 20-30 game run out of a guy with a .940+ sv% but that’s just not going to happen over 82 games. LeBron in his prime was having that type of impact every game he played.
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