Because every single off season we hear about him and every single season he’s never stuck with the big club. Not writing him off but are we really counting on a guy that has never held a spot on the nhl roster ? It’s his what 4th pro season now?
- ClaudeFather

His 3rd (really, his 2nd since he was lost for the season early on, and he did make the big club out of camp this season).

His 3rd (really, his 2nd since he was lost for the season early on, and he did make the big club out of camp this season).
- bmeltzer

The young guys failed miserably this year, he’s included. We really needed someone to step up and he was not available.

The young guys failed miserably this year, he’s included. We really needed someone to step up and he was not available.
- ClaudeFather

agree for the most part. but to say frost failed miserably because he got hurt is ridiculous.

agree for the most part. but to say frost failed miserably because he got hurt is ridiculous.
- Ftown19125

The young guys failed miserably, most by poor play but him not being available fits under that narrative . The team needed these kids to step up, that didn’t happen.

I don't disagree that they are not in the Hart/Art Ross/Norris category of players. But they were targeted and signed. Tavares, Panarin and AP handpicked their destinations: only one of which (Vegas) was also simultaneously a top echelon contender at the time.
- bmeltzer

Whaaat?!? But HB says that UFAs only go to SC contenders!!

I don't get why people are writing off Frost. He had every bit as good of a training camp as Farabee in January, showed sufficient promise as a rookie, and was a prolific junior scorer before that. The shoulder injury was unfortunate but there's no reason why he can't still turn out fine.
- bmeltzer

I never said I was writing him off, simply that he doesn’t seem to be there offensively, yet, at least to me, he hasn’t proven that he can fill-in as a middle six forward. Thus the age gap void I spoke to.

Hi Bill,

Do you know if Flyers have any scouting presence in WWIHC? There is some great talent playing there. Especially on young Slovakia team. They just beat Russia in really impressive way! Provorov played really well but he could not prevent the loss.

Gotta throw my opinion in here... in regards to the young guys, it’s not a matter of them regressing or not taking next step it’s a matter of philly depending too much on them. They are playing out of rotation. If we had more high end players taking the big minutes like the top tier teams this wouldn’t be an issue. The only one excluded is nopa. Sorry 2nd overall should be able to progress and show something. He doesn’t. He’s a complete bust. Fake migraines and fake virus season can’t be used as excuse. All others will slot nicely with a couple key moves. Question is: does philly believe they need those moves? Or do they try to sell the core is good enough bs as usual. My bet is they try to sell it. The excuses already being said

I want Nolan to have one, healthy, non-covid year before making our mind up on him.

And whoever mentioned a Patrick/Ho-Sang swap is crazy.

Dude can't get out of his own way, no thanks.

Whaaat?!? But HB says that UFAs only go to SC contenders!!
- Tomahawk

Well Philly isn’t the most famous city in the world or the home town of any star players so we won’t get those guys either. So we get Hayes and JVR, awesome...

I don't get why people are writing off Frost. He had every bit as good of a training camp as Farabee in January, showed sufficient promise as a rookie, and was a prolific junior scorer before that. The shoulder injury was unfortunate but there's no reason why he can't still turn out fine.
- bmeltzer

I think it's because of his size. Once there is a card on him, will his skill level be enough to overcome playing with men that have 50-100 lbs on him? Does he have a pitbull inside him to overcome that?

The young guys failed miserably, most by poor play but him not being available fits under that narrative . The team needed these kids to step up, that didn’t happen.
- ClaudeFather

I don’t understand the constant “the kids let this team down”. Yes, TK, Sanheim, Myers, Patrick all played horribly but they aren’t the leaders. The vets let this team down but not doing enough & by letting the kids struggle (outside of Patrick no one can help him). No team unless rebuilding relies on “young kids”.

Montreal a team whose in the playoffs has Kotkaniemi, Suzuki & Caulfield their players of the “future” & Romanov on the back end. Lehkonen is only 25. Drouin (stinks) 26.

Suzuki had a good season, just 3 more points than Farabee, Montreal isn’t going into the season saying they NEED the kids to succeed. No, they’re relying on their veterans the gallagher, toffoli, anderson, tatar’s, petry, chariot’s on their team. Their stud goalie even played in the AHL for a bit. It’s crazy to say you fall short because of your kids. JK had a lifeless season, romanov was a non factor, Lehkonen minimal points but their vets picked up the slack cuz you shouldn’t/can’t rely on kids. When you do you’re typically a rebuilding team.

The kids definitely underperformed but the vets let the team down

I want Nolan to have one, healthy, non-covid year before making our mind up on him.

And whoever mentioned a Patrick/Ho-Sang swap is crazy.

Dude can't get out of his own way, no thanks.
- DrMidnite

Don’t they say, at 300 NHL games you should know what you have in a player? Patrick is at 197, next year is a make or break year for him providing he’s healthy, has a good summer of training and we have a normal 82 game schedule.

Don’t they say, at 300 NHL games you should know what you have in a player? Patrick is at 197, next year is a make or break year for him providing he’s healthy, has a good summer of training and we have a normal 82 game schedule.
- Dave21Brown

Sounds good to me

I want Nolan to have one, healthy, non-covid year before making our mind up on him.

And whoever mentioned a Patrick/Ho-Sang swap is crazy.

Dude can't get out of his own way, no thanks.
- DrMidnite

I totally agree about Patrick.

I don't get why people are writing off Frost. He had every bit as good of a training camp as Farabee in January, showed sufficient promise as a rookie, and was a prolific junior scorer before that. The shoulder injury was unfortunate but there's no reason why he can't still turn out fine.
- bmeltzer

People need instant gratification/justification.

lol Hayes said publicly he only came here because we overpaid. and JVR? He wanted to be comfortable near home, we didn't have to convince him to come here.

and Lecavalier HATED it here and couldn't wait to leave!
- black_francis

Well thanks for this post Captain hindsight.

Well thanks for this post Captain hindsight.
- SuperSchennBros

but if the rest of the league knows how miserable he was here why would that make us a more desirable destination? hindsight has nothing to do with it.

Hayes and jvr what awesome signings. You over paid for middling talent. Patrick sucks until further notice, there’s not excuse for how awful he was this season. I’m all for going after a Jones and Laine , those guys may have had down years but actually have proved they can play.
- ClaudeFather

JvR was the second best UFA the summer we signed him, coming off a career season.

Nolan Patrick spent a year abs half away from hockey with documented medical head issues during a pandemic where not very many players could find a place to practice. Now if you can say you’ve caught through the same issues and recovered to live life normally, nothing you say matters.

I think it's because of his size. Once there is a card on him, will his skill level be enough to overcome playing with men that have 50-100 lbs on him? Does he have a pitbull inside him to overcome that?
- Robert's Plant

My questions on this kid exactly....Bigger guys will pound him.
He will never be without fear of another dislocation as he goes into a corner. He will win only 20%-30% of corner battles.
Which, in my mind flashes to first rookie camp when he was pitted vs Coots and got schooled, would have liked at that point of his early career, if he had the pitbull instinct, to not be beat, at any and all cost or in the loss have people say great fight that kid has the tenacity of Clarke or anyone with HEART!

JvR was the second best UFA the summer was signed him, coming off a career season.

Nolan Patrick spent a year abs half away from hockey with documented medical head issues during a pandemic where not very many players could find a place to practice. Now if you can say you’ve caught through the same issues and recovered to live life normally, nothing you say matters.
- SuperSchennBros

Second best UFA, who gives a sh!t. He’s not a star, he’s a streaky goal scorer that has a bad contract. That’s the Free agents we are getting here. Stop with the Patrick nonsense, we all know.

JvR was the second best UFA the summer was signed him, coming off a career season.

Nolan Patrick spent a year abs half away from hockey with documented medical head issues during a pandemic where not very many players could find a place to practice. Now if you can say you’ve caught through the same issues and recovered to live life normally, nothing you say matters.
- SuperSchennBros

Patrick is a bust. Will be out of the league in 2-3 years. This organization have him every opportunity to succeed. Could he have potential been a decent 3C yeah maybe but after his head issues he’s done. Now throw in his poor attitude, wanting out of town, & what he’s on his third agent in three years?!? Sounds like he’s disconnected from reality.

Hi Bill,

Do you know if Flyers have any scouting presence in WWIHC? There is some great talent playing there. Especially on young Slovakia team. They just beat Russia in really impressive way! Provorov played really well but he could not prevent the loss.
- Keith25

Yes, they have scouts there.

Patrick is a bust. Will be out of the league in 2-3 years. This organization have him every opportunity to succeed. Could he have potential been a decent 3C yeah maybe but after his head issues he’s done. Now throw in his poor attitude, wanting out of town, & what he’s on his third agent in three years?!? Sounds like he’s disconnected from reality.
- Fopa21

Don’t they say, at 300 NHL games you should know what you have in a player? Patrick is at 197, next year is a make or break year for him providing he’s healthy, has a good summer of training and we have a normal 82 game schedule.
- Dave21Brown

Couts played over 400 games and never scored more than 15 goals in a season before his breakout year 2017-18. Everyone is different.