Canucks have 1 week to sign Ethan keppen before he goes UFA. I havent followed his year this year, but he seemed like a decent pick in the 4th round at the time.
- Codes1087

Big, can score some and it looks like a little sandpaper.

Where’s the line between being whiny and having high expectations? Are the fans not allowed to have expectations, especially after 50 years of mediocrity?
- bloatedmosquito

Yes expectations are always a fans right. Whiney doesn't solve anything in any walk of life.

Lumping in 50yrs has nothing to do with the present team. It’s a number to fixate on nothing else.

Very few fans been around for those 50yrs & many forget the good times. Spoiled they are. A better fanbase would go further than this markets shltshow of media & bandwagoners.

Sorry, Hextall will want to start the rebuild as soon as possible. That will include a new coaching staff.

Referring to the Canucks about the same situation as I kind of did. It would be nice to have someone with as you said contract law, maybe learn a little bit more of the scouting side from Benning before taking over. Be a more complete GM than Benning. Or hire a President to overlook everyone like Burke is.
- manvanfan

Jim could probably be a good NHL GM if he had the right people around him.

Big, can score some and it looks like a little sandpaper.
- Heywood Jablome

Yuck. Why would a team want any of that, the league is going small and dynamic, hence why the tiny Jets players and the small Isles players were awesome in their opening series.😉

What kind of success have they had?
- manvanfan

Nothing of note but more failure.

Big ticket players are always there. The names and positions change but either through UFA or trade, there are players available that can help a team win now, every season.

Does this mean that the pieces a team needs are always there, every year? Of course not. That's the point of having cap flexibility. Keep cap space and use it when needed.

The point is not to max your cap every fcuking season just because you got money left in your wallet.

And Edmonton is a great example of bringing in the wrong players to help the young core. Also a great example of how bad management dooms a franchise even if the draft provides young superstars.
- RealityChecker

Isn't the point of helping your team win, giving them the best available chance to do so? Including using cap space if it's available to you.

Awesome more FACTS, love facts. So the article had mentioned Green as a candidate, there were others mentioned also, but I guess your focus is that Green is mentioned so he must be the leading coach for the position before Benning scoped him up.

So if fit goes a long way, Green is obviously the perfect fit for a losing club, 298 regular season games coached in Vancouver, only 125 wins, great fit, but of course I forgot about the schedule, covid and injuries.

Have you ever explained what are the systems that Green uses, if you have I must have missed that post, could you post the systems again, thanks in advance.
- Makita

you're sure hooked on facts, did you ever ask professionals if Green had no system?

Roussel will be beaten out.
Beagle maybe LTIRetire.

Need is still a legit 3C.
Sutter at 4C be fine if cheap.
Graovac my choice.
- Nighthawk

Sutter shouldn't be back. He's bad. He doesn't play well with others.

Sutter shouldn't be back. He's bad. He doesn't play well with others.
- manvanfan

True but at 4C he has some to offer.

Yes expectations are always a fans right. Whiney doesn't solve anything in any walk of life.

Lumping in 50yrs has nothing to do with the present team. It’s a number to fixate on nothing else.

Very few fans been around for those 50yrs & many forget the good times. Spoiled they are. A better fanbase would go further than this markets shltshow of media & bandwagoners.
- Nighthawk

Isn't the point of helping your team win, giving them the best available chance to do so? Including using cap space if it's available to you.
- manvanfan

You do remember that this was my point of where we should be after 7 years, right?

The fact is that JB maxed the cap the last 7 years and so, even by your own admission (which started this), the team needs to not add any more salary aside from waiver wire pickups (as you mentioned) so it can get a little breathing room cap-wise.

So to get back to your question, no you don't use the cap space available to you every season if you're a rebuilding team. And if you do use up all the cap but have not made the team appreciably better, that means the cap usage was a failure.

Can you provide an example of a team that had steadily progressed over a 7 year period and went onto success? A team in a more recent era say the past 20 years.

I'm only asking because I have looked at probably every team and I haven't found what you are looking for.
- manvanfan

Sure. Don’t have to go any farther than our own team. How about Brian Burke’s tenure as Canucks GM? His work goes beyond just wins and losses. He took a floundering franchise and brought it back to life. As a fan I remember the excitement of watching a franchise gain momentum.

2003 45-23-13-1 Lost Conference Semi-Finals (Won 1 Round)
2002 42-30-7-3 Lost First Round (Won 0 Rounds)
2001 36-28-11-7 Lost First Round (Won 0 Rounds)
2000 30-29-15-8 Missed Playoffs
1999 23-47-12 Missed Playoffs
1998 25-43-14 Missed Playoffs
1997 35-40-7 Missed Playoffs

I also think Pittsburg and Chicago had an amazing progression from chumps to champs between 2003 - 2007. Of course that has a lot to do with drafting but that’s how teams grow. You have great draft position because you suck and then you get better.

Problem is JB has had the great draft position, got the talent to form a solid core but doesn’t seem to have the ability to compliment that core in any meaningful way. Not yet anyway.

So as fans we wait for JB to get it right. Hopefully by year 10 we may be a consistent playoff competitor.

Jim could probably be a good NHL GM if he had the right people around him.
- 1970vintage

A lot of truth to this. A Gillis type system sounds better than what currently the Canucks have.

A lot of truth to this. A Gillis type system sounds better than what currently the Canucks have.
- manvanfan

If there was a president of hockey ops that had a vision for the organization and knew how to guide people, let Jim focus solely on the day to day business of the Canucks, he could probably do well. He would have to ask for permission to sign a guy, or trade a guy, which would be the check valve on stupid decisions.

The President could also be responsible for hiring the assistant GM's (with Jim's input) and develop the coaching and scouting departments etc. (again, with Jim's input).

I like Trevor, but he wasn't that guy, and it didn't help that Weisbrod is a back stabbing POS.

Sure. Don’t have to go any farther than our own team. How about Brian Burke’s tenure as Canucks GM? His work goes beyond just wins and losses. He took a floundering franchise and brought it back to life. As a fan I remember the excitement of watching a franchise gain momentum.

2003 45-23-13-1 Lost Conference Semi-Finals (Won 1 Round)
2002 42-30-7-3 Lost First Round (Won 0 Rounds)
2001 36-28-11-7 Lost First Round (Won 0 Rounds)
2000 30-29-15-8 Missed Playoffs
1999 23-47-12 Missed Playoffs
1998 25-43-14 Missed Playoffs
1997 35-40-7 Missed Playoffs

I also think Pittsburg and Chicago had an amazing progression from chumps to champs between 2003 - 2007. Of course that has a lot to do with drafting but that’s how teams grow. You have great draft position because you suck and then you get better.

Problem is JB has had the great draft position, got the talent to form a solid core but doesn’t seem to have the ability to compliment that core in any meaningful way. Not yet anyway.

So as fans we wait for JB to get it right. Hopefully by year 10 we may be a consistent playoff competitor.
- bloatedmosquito

That's the issue they didn't start rebuilding with the Sedins. So the wait is the problem. In a results prove everything view there is no better proof than winning. See how that effects moves.

You do remember that this was my point of where we should be after 7 years, right?

The fact is that JB maxed the cap the last 7 years and so, even by your own admission (which started this), the team needs to not add any more salary aside from waiver wire pickups (as you mentioned) so it can get a little breathing room cap-wise.

So to get back to your question, no you don't use the cap space available to you every season if you're a rebuilding team. And if you do use up all the cap but have not made the team appreciably better, that means the cap usage was a failure.
- RealityChecker

I think your building of a hockey team is probably unrealistic that everything will fall in your favour.

The way I'm imaging your plan working is probably exceeding every expectation in signing free agents, winning trades, players always exceeding contracts.

I understand what you are saying but no GM is perfect, not even close. Any GM that could bat over 50% with contracts, trades, drafting, coaching choices would be remarkable.

Most look at the good things of other GM's and wish they could have that but who really pays attention to the bad.

No need to ask. The team’s captain already has made his views known.

https://dailyhive.com/van...-tired-being-out-playoffs
- bloatedmosquito

But the rest of the roster is mostly a wasteland of journeymen and overpriced has-beens who aren’t contributing much on the ice.

But the rest of the roster is mostly a wasteland of journeymen and overpriced has-beens who aren’t contributing much on the ice.


- Marwood

but that has nothing to do with the current GM though. To hang that on dim Jim would be unfair because, you know, excuses.

Bracket still alive:

Boston v Washington (took Caps) ❎
Carolina v Nashville (took Canes) ❓
Tampa v Florida (took Cats) ❎
Pittsburgh v New York (took Isles) ✅
Colorado v St. Louis (took Avs) ✅
Las Vegas v Minnesota (took Knights) ❓
Toronto v Montreal (took Leafs) ⁉️
Edmonton v Winnipeg (took Jets) ✅

Yes expectations are always a fans right. Whiney doesn't solve anything in any walk of life.

Lumping in 50yrs has nothing to do with the present team. It’s a number to fixate on nothing else.

Very few fans been around for those 50yrs & many forget the good times. Spoiled they are. A better fanbase would go further than this markets shltshow of media & bandwagoners.
- Nighthawk

Hi!

I think your building of a hockey team is probably unrealistic that everything will fall in your favour.

The way I'm imaging your plan working is probably exceeding every expectation in signing free agents, winning trades, players always exceeding contracts.

I understand what you are saying but no GM is perfect, not even close. Any GM that could bat over 50% with contracts, trades, drafting, coaching choices would be remarkable.

Most look at the good things of other GM's and wish they could have that but who really pays attention to the bad.
- manvanfan

I disagree. I think if you were asked seven years ago, you would have scoffed at the notion of still being a bottom dweller that's cap strapped.

Every move has been justified in a vacuum over the last 7 years without looking at the bigger picture. It's the same day to day mistakes being made and every year it's always about "almost there."

And before you say that you thought this is exactly where you thought the team would be, let me remind you of the meme that was laughed at by the cheerleaders but was absolutely on the money:
3 years away from 3 years away. We're at year8 with the GM saying he needs 2 more years.

This is an article from 2 seasons ago, still the same issues today.

https://www.vancouverisaw...p-six-or-top-nine-3107003

Yes expectations are always a fans right. Whiney doesn't solve anything in any walk of life.

Lumping in 50yrs has nothing to do with the present team. It’s a number to fixate on nothing else.

Very few fans been around for those 50yrs & many forget the good times. Spoiled they are. A better fanbase would go further than this markets shltshow of media & bandwagoners.
- Nighthawk

That's why there are so many cheerleaders.

I don't have blind hate, I call a spade a spade.

It's funny that you're the only guy here that thinks the systems aren't an issue. How much actual hockey have you played ?

I realize that's a pretty lame question but i'm honestly curious as you must have played a ton to know so much more than the rest of us.
- golfingsince

Good luck getting a straight honest answer, even though it's pretty obvious.

If there was a president of hockey ops that had a vision for the organization and knew how to guide people, let Jim focus solely on the day to day business of the Canucks, he could probably do well. He would have to ask for permission to sign a guy, or trade a guy, which would be the check valve on stupid decisions.

The President could also be responsible for hiring the assistant GM's (with Jim's input) and develop the coaching and scouting departments etc. (again, with Jim's input).

I like Trevor, but he wasn't that guy, and it didn't help that Weisbrod is a back stabbing POS.
- 1970vintage

This 👍