It's possible that he has lost a step, I mean it's hard to say really... The dude was injured a lot the past few years and maybe that's taken a toll on him?

Or maybe, he's better suited to play in a more wide open, less structured system?
- PatC80

I think the more concerning thing is that the Leafs looked at where Andersen was allowing most of his goals (off the rush), and they made systematic and personnel changes specifically to try and address and reduce this (and successfully did), and while Andersen was good in February, he wasn't in January or March. How long was he playing through injury, nagging or otherwise, I couldn't say and it's potentially a factor.

I do know that the guy from 2 years ago isn't the guy we've seen since then. I think Freddy would do well with a team that had bigger D that cleared the front of the net. He seems to struggle at seeing around screens, and reacting to deflections. But honestly this year he was also slow post-to-post, quick to go down or overreact. He just wasn't himself. Bad mojo.

In a way it reminds me of Potvin. We all loved him, and when the Leafs gave up on him in favour of Cujo, I think the hit to his confidence did him in more than anything else. His entire game took a nosedive for 2-3 years until he found some confidence again in LA.

yes and campbell is far superior
- twiztedmike

Connor texts Friedman before Holland gets to Maltby
- Canada Cup

requesting a trade to Detroit?

unpossible.
roger has leafs at 99+% to in the SC apparently.
all of the other teams are 'very easy to defeat'.

personally, so far these 4 games I haven't been too impressed by the Leafs.
Price is great, apart from that, not 1 single Habs player have been playing up to his level (and it doesnt help that Weber, Gallagher are still playing injured).

their best player has been Kotkaniemi...
- MaximusAurelius

Max logic:

When the Leafs suck - The Leafs suck

When the Habs suck - The Leafs suck

When the Leafs are good - The Leafs suck

When the Leafs post a 4-0 shutout - The Leafs suck

I think the more concerning thing is that the Leafs looked at where Andersen was allowing most of his goals (off the rush), and they made systematic and personnel changes specifically to try and address and reduce this (and successfully did), and while Andersen was good in February, he wasn't in January or March. How long was he playing through injury, nagging or otherwise, I couldn't say and it's potentially a factor.

I do know that the guy from 2 years ago isn't the guy we've seen since then. I think Freddy would do well with a team that had bigger D that cleared the front of the net. He seems to struggle at seeing around screens, and reacting to deflections. But honestly this year he was also slow post-to-post, quick to go down or overreact. He just wasn't himself. Bad mojo.

In a way it reminds me of Potvin. We all loved him, and when the Leafs gave up on him in favour of Cujo, I think the hit to his confidence did him in more than anything else. His entire game took a nosedive for 2-3 years until he found some confidence again in LA.
- Monkeypunk

Agreed but those personnel changes are still serving us well. Jack played well but that was a pretty strong defensive game last night.

requesting a trade to Detroit?
- PatC80

Nailed it

I died through every playoff loss and every non playoff year. But to disregard what is going on in front of us doesn’t make sense. The Leafs are much, much better than the Habs. This is not like being underdogs against Boston or Washington or never getting going against CBJ.

Anything can happen but there have been zero realistic signs of collapse.
- Canada Cup

I know...thats what the facts are telling me.

But.

I cant enjoy those facts...cause Im a Leafs fan.
So....LALALALALALALALALALALA series isnt over, gotta win 1 more game LALALALALALA OMGWERESOCLOSETOWININGONESERIES LALALALALA

Of course they have lower odds of winning the Cup if they have a harder time in getting to the semifinals. How is this controversial? You can make a case that both Florida and TBL are better than the Leafs but they both have better odds of losing in the first round. Those odds are lowered further because the winner plays Carolina.

In any case is that the odds look very different when there are four teams left.

You can argue about how they see specific matchups. Maybe Tampa should be a prohibitive favourite over Carolina but there’s logic to the system.
- Canada Cup

OK.

So, if there was a playoffs including teams from the English Premier league, and the Championship league. The team coming out of the Championship league has a greater chance of winning because their league is weaker?

The chart falls apart at the end, when the Leafs somehow show up at the top?

I know...thats what the facts are telling me.

But.

I cant enjoy those facts...cause Im a Leafs fan.
So....LALALALALALALALALALALA series isnt over, gotta win 1 more game LALALALALALA OMGWERESOCLOSETOWININGONESERIES LALALALALA
- Fakepartofme

Parade day. Bergevin calls for a challenge on Nylander’s goal which is upheld. All games are replayed and Montreal goes on to win Cup.

You mean like that?

I think the more concerning thing is that the Leafs looked at where Andersen was allowing most of his goals (off the rush), and they made systematic and personnel changes specifically to try and address and reduce this (and successfully did), and while Andersen was good in February, he wasn't in January or March. How long was he playing through injury, nagging or otherwise, I couldn't say and it's potentially a factor.

I do know that the guy from 2 years ago isn't the guy we've seen since then. I think Freddy would do well with a team that had bigger D that cleared the front of the net. He seems to struggle at seeing around screens, and reacting to deflections. But honestly this year he was also slow post-to-post, quick to go down or overreact. He just wasn't himself. Bad mojo.

In a way it reminds me of Potvin. We all loved him, and when the Leafs gave up on him in favour of Cujo, I think the hit to his confidence did him in more than anything else. His entire game took a nosedive for 2-3 years until he found some confidence again in LA.
- Monkeypunk

The Potvin angle is interesting to me, because maybe it's the same with Andersen, a confidence issue and not injury related or as some have said 'losing a step'..

I'm not in a position to say exactly what went wrong with Andersen, but I'm happy for what he did here as a Leaf. I just think his time here is over..

I wish him well, wherever he goes whether it's Edmonton or Detroit or Buffalo or Arizona or the KHL(I don't know)

Connor texts Friedman before Holland gets to Maltby
- Canada Cup

I don't get it?

Max logic:

When the Leafs suck - The Leafs suck

When the Habs suck - The Leafs suck

When the Leafs are good - The Leafs suck

When the Leafs post a 4-0 shutout - The Leafs suck
- Leafs43

We'll see if the Leafs are really good when they play an actual team - starting with Wpg.
Habs are arguably the worst team making the playoffs this season (they had the lowest points total (59) of all playoff teams, and team with the worst goal differential to make the playoffs (-9). Seconds worst was STL with -1 , and they're out 4-0 series loss. All the other teams had much better point totals, and positive goal differentials.

Good to see the Leafs win a few playoff games and having a lead, and likely winning the series vs Habs.
However, the true test starts with playing Wpg.

OK.

So, if there was a playoffs including teams from the English Premier league, and the Championship league. The team coming out of the Championship league has a greater chance of winning because their league is weaker?

The chart falls apart at the end, when the Leafs somehow show up at the top?
- Aetherial

I don’t know about your stupid footie example but the chart is redone everyday.

Parade day. Bergevin calls for a challenge on Nylander’s goal which is upheld. All games are replayed and Montreal goes on to win Cup.

You mean like that?
- Canada Cup

Unrealistic. Bergevin steps down after losing the series 4-1 and gives way for Valerie Plante to become the next Habs GM

Oh FFS.
Gotta advance first.
- Fakepartofme

exactly

If the Habs pop a couple early ones, those gonads are gonna get sucked right up into the Leafs lungs

I believe this Leafs team is different though.

Then I think about something about Lucy and a football

I died through every playoff loss and every non playoff year. But to disregard what is going on in front of us doesn’t make sense. The Leafs are much, much better than the Habs. This is not like being underdogs against Boston or Washington or never getting going against CBJ.

Anything can happen but there have been zero realistic signs of collapse.
- Canada Cup

You write another post like this and I will frank you up.

I will frank you up bad.

Jezuz, it's like you Leafs fans have never been Leafs fans before.

We'll see if the Leafs are really good when they play an actual team - starting with Wpg.
Habs are arguably the worst team making the playoffs this season (they had the lowest points total (59) of all playoff teams, and team with the worst goal differential to make the playoffs (-9). Seconds worst was STL with -1 , and they're out 4-0 series loss. All the other teams had much better point totals, and positive goal differentials.

Good to see the Leafs win a few playoff games and having a lead, and likely winning the series vs Habs.
However, the true test starts with playing Wpg.
- MaximusAurelius

Nah, you'll just move the goal posts again.

I don't get it?
- Aetherial

He had some little speech. By the the time he’s half way through list of players he should be like (Maltby) McDavid is texting Friedman that he wants out

You write another post like this and I will frank you up.

I will frank you up bad.

Jezuz, it's like you Leafs fans have never been Leafs fans before.
- Atomic Wedgie

The 4-1 curse has moved to Edmonton. We’re free

I don’t know about your stupid footie example but the chart is redone everyday.
- Canada Cup

If the chart showed the Leafs odds of getting to the final 4 as being the highest, I completely get it.

It is that part about suddenly the are cup favourites that is not justifiable.

So, the Kadri trade, Campbell trade and Nylander contract seem decent at this point.
- Zezel

So, what you're saying is, fire Dubas?

He had some little speech. By the the time he’s half way through list of players he should be like (Maltby) McDavid is texting Friedman that he wants out
- Canada Cup

Wait what? Did this happen? I feel like I missed a whole branch of the convo here.

(nevermind, I think I sort of get it now)

YES

Teams have come back from 3-1 deficits. There have been a lot of close games and Price is playing amazing right now; we could totally get goalied still...
- gravyface

I appreciate the thought.

But it's not happening.

Can't we all just be happy that Campbell is playing well (against the worst offense in the playoffs, but hey!) and that Freddy is still there in case things go south instead of Big "Taking a poop" Dave and Clutchinson?
- AdamFrench

yes

Hockey is an expensive sport. That's why so many of the players have douche names like Taylor, Tyler, Auston or Mitchell.
- Zezel

You can Cayden and Brayden in all their iterations to that list.