Thanks. The substance of the vision is secondary to me. Actually having a vision is the part we need.

"We want players who want to be here" is not a plan

It's a reaction to negativity caused by the lack of a plan.

They need to stop being reactionary and start being proactive. That can't happen until they outline a plan. If they have an actual plan, they have no interest in sharing it with fans which is friggin infuriating.
- Hank Balling

Yeah I think vision is an over rated term for where we are.

Step 1 is - can you identify good players yet?

I blame her for no one knowing what ironic actually means.
- Wetbandit1

It's like rain on your wedding day


Wait no, that's just poopty

Thanks. The substance of the vision is secondary to me. Actually having a vision is the part we need.

"We want players who want to be here" is not a plan

It's a reaction to negativity caused by the lack of a plan.

They need to stop being reactionary and start being proactive. That can't happen until they outline a plan
- Hank Balling

Agree 100%.
Just that I don't want, in fact I wont watch another Sabres game that strives to play a Xefense at all costs style anymore. I turned off more games 5 - 10 minutes in during the 1st 28 of this season than I have in 5 or 10 years.

Start to play like the Avs, Bolts, Panthers, etc...or bye, bye.
I don't think I'm alone.

Yeah I think vision is an over rated term for where we are.

Step 1 is - can you identify good players yet?
- sbroads24

I dont want to make this a female dog-fest on my part about Botterill, but there hasn't been a plan since Tim Murray tried (and failed) to win now.

Botterill talked about building for the future but spent assets on stupid crap that he could have gotten for free on the waiver wire. Did he ever try to win? Sort of, but sort of not.

In the 2020 season under Adams, they didn't really spend assets to win but they added a bunch of bad stuff for too many years (seemingly) in an attempt to win now

So what's the point here? What are we doing?

Yeah I think vision is an over rated term for where we are.

Step 1 is - can you identify good players yet?
- sbroads24

I get the sentiment, but I disagree.
Yes, absolutely need to identify good players that fit your style of play...but that is Tactical on the scale I outlined above. Without consistency in direction, you end up with exactly where the Sabres D was this past 2 seasons...puck movers in system that virtually deplores them...disconnected.

I dont want to make this a female dog-fest on my part about Botterill, but there hasn't been a plan since Tim Murray tried (and failed) to win now.

Botterill talked about building for the future but spent assets on stupid crap that he could have gotten for free on the waiver wire. Did he ever try to win? Sort of, but sort of not.

In the 2020 season under Adams, they didn't really spend assets to win but they added a bunch of bad stuff for too many years (seemingly) in an attempt to win now

So what's the point here? What are we doing?
- Hank Balling

Adams was doing anything he could to placate Capatain Jack. That's it. That's all.
I guess, according to 89, that is over with...except now they might middle it by trying to keep Sam....bad move if true

All the chatter year round on Kuemper. If you’re are watching the World Championship he’s not looking good.

I get the sentiment, but I disagree.
Yes, absolutely need to identify good players that fit your style of play...but that is Tactical on the scale I outlined above. Without consistency in direction, you end up with exactly where the Sabres D was this past 2 seasons...puck movers in system that virtually deplores them...disconnected.
- IonSabres

I think when you try and get players that fit a certain identity, you can fall victim to acquiring bad players who maybe have a desired attribute, but overall have a negative on ice impact

Tristan Jarry has been the MVP for the Isles in round 1.

I dont want to make this a female dog-fest on my part about Botterill, but there hasn't been a plan since Tim Murray tried (and failed) to win now.

Botterill talked about building for the future but spent assets on stupid crap that he could have gotten for free on the waiver wire. Did he ever try to win? Sort of, but sort of not.

In the 2020 season under Adams, they didn't really spend assets to win but they added a bunch of bad stuff for too many years (seemingly) in an attempt to win now

So what's the point here? What are we doing?
- Hank Balling

Adams was doing anything he could to placate Capatain Jack. That's it. That's all.
I guess, according to 89, that is over with...except now they might middle it by trying to keep Sam....bad move if true

Tristan Jarry has been the MVP for the Isles in round 1.
- Pegullaville

All the chatter year round on Kuemper. If you’re are watching the World Championship he’s not looking good.
- Camel

Old and extremely average. Not sure why anyone wanted to give up any kind of asset for him. Some in here wanted to trade a 1st 😂

Old and extremely average. Not sure why anyone wanted to give up any kind of asset for him. Some in here wanted to trade a 1st 😂
- Fattony1187

fitz is ready

first and first

I think when you try and get players that fit a certain identity, you can fall victim to acquiring bad players who maybe have a desired attribute, but overall have a negative on ice impact
- sbroads24

That sounds like a player who doesn't fit the vision supported by the system.
That is a failure on the Front Office, IMO of course.

If you don't know where you are going, any road takes you there.
That is exactly what this team has falled victum to...that and a constantly changing direction...
Small, fast, skilled, puck possession >>> Big, tough, hard to play against, cycle >>>> North/South, fast, puck moving D >>>> Defense 1st, 2nd, 3rd, dump and chase

It has been a cluster fvck.

Acquire as many talented players as possible.

Tailor your system to fit the players that you have to the best of your ability.

That’s all I’ve got.

Acquire as many talented players as possible.

Tailor your system to fit the players that you have to the best of your ability.

That’s all I’ve got.
- Pegullaville

That's fine to say, but what's the vision required to get there?

For Murray, it was trade for them at the expense of futures. Failure.

For Botterill, it was go to the bottom of the league repeatedly and attempt to surround them with mediocre talent via trading mid-round picks. That sucked.

I think the Sabres owe it to their fan base to at least explain the thought process behind what they're doing now. Maybe no one knows.

No one will say "We need to make the playoffs" except viking55

That's fine to say, but what's the vision required to get there?

For Murray, it was trade for them at the expense of futures. Failure.

For Botterill, it was go to the bottom of the league repeatedly and attempt to surround them with mediocre talent via trading mid-round picks. That sucked.

I think the Sabres owe it to their fan base to at least explain the thought process behind what they're doing now. Maybe no one knows.

No one will say "We need to make the playoffs" except viking55
- Hank Balling

I believe the core of your team needs to be drafted and developed.

Avoid the big fishes in free agency, use free agency for role guys, ditto the trade market.

Once you are considered a cup contender then you can possibly overpay in assets in the forms of trades to try to put you over the top and deal draft capital.

I believe the core of your team needs to be drafted and developed.

Avoid the big fishes in free agency, use free agency for role guys, ditto the trade market.

Once you are considered a cup contender then you can possibly overpay in assets in the forms of trades to try to put you over the top and deal draft capital.
- Pegullaville

Agreed. That’s the ticket.

Acquire as many talented players as possible.

Tailor your system to fit the players that you have to the best of your ability.

That’s all I’ve got.
- Pegullaville

it helps when the gm and owners are on the same page for more then 18 months as well

That's fine to say, but what's the vision required to get there?

For Murray, it was trade for them at the expense of futures. Failure.

For Botterill, it was go to the bottom of the league repeatedly and attempt to surround them with mediocre talent via trading mid-round picks. That sucked.

I think the Sabres owe it to their fan base to at least explain the thought process behind what they're doing now. Maybe no one knows.

No one will say "We need to make the playoffs" except viking55
- Hank Balling

is spacek the best free agent the sabres signed?
or teppo


it was suppose to be hall of course

Tristan Jarry has been the MVP for the Isles in round 1.
- Pegullaville

Without a doubt

This NYI-PIT game is incredible. I hope that one day we can have games like this at home again. Go Isles!

All the chatter year round on Kuemper. If you’re are watching the World Championship he’s not looking good.
- Camel

Literally only one person went on about him all year.

is spacek the best free agent the sabres signed?
or teppo


it was suppose to be hall of course
- homiedclown

Hecht

Literally only one person went on about him all year.
- BeadyEyedDouche

You say that like it wasn’t a lot of chatter.