I'm confused. Am I NuckUp or Lordy?

"Math explains something that is already there."

Pretty obvious statement. Anyhow, you're probably running out of posters to insult me with. I'm gonna leave this discussion now.
- Load Management

You’re neither, just talking like them.

Yes, math shows parts of the universe and can explain things. Don’t know how it’s so controversial to use that to explain things in hockey that aren’t easily seen by watching games, especially as it’s a tool to use across the league as you can’t watch every game and every player.

Language also explains things that are already there and are happening. Should we abandon language as it’s antiquated?

“Mathematicians have been selling their snake oil for thousands of years.“

Lol, that’s just a ridiculous statement. Like math is some slick con

Why do you keep bringing up cernak. He was literally just signed for 3 years at an extremely team friendly deal. We aren't trading for him and bolts aren't trading him. I don't get the cernak obsession in here.
- Codes1087

Some think that he wouldn't be protected in the expansion draft and used as a bit of a cap dump by TB.

I think most peoples obsession with other teams RHD is based on the fact that the right side of Van's D is pretty poor at times and the players just look so much better on a better team.

You can probably find the type of player Cernak is, if you got between the how great he is crowd and the how much he sucks crowd.

About 5. How about you?
- Reubenkincade

Maybe 2. 2 is far too many.

You’re neither, just talking like them.

Yes, math shows parts of the universe and can explain things. Don’t know how it’s so controversial to use that to explain things in hockey that aren’t easily seen by watching games, especially as it’s a tool to use across the league as you can’t watch every game and every player.

Language also explains things that are already there and are happening. Should we abandon language as it’s antiquated?

“Mathematicians have been selling their snake oil for thousands of years.“

Lol, that’s just a ridiculous statement. Like math is some slick con
- NewYorkNuck

You're arguing with yourself now. Enjoy.

Maybe 2. 2 is far too many.
- CanuckDon

Ya, they are a hard team to watch, but used to watching a team like that.

Ok which RHD is on your obsession list?
- Nighthawk

I dont have one. Obtain more draft picks, develop and we can stop paying premiums for other teams good players.

I have high hopes for Rathbone. I'm also hoping we can buy low on an UFA. I said earlier my targets would be

John's, hakanpaa, Gustafson, oleksiak, McCabe,

I dont think it's in the clubs best interest right now to pay a hefty price on a UFA D. The names above I believe will be much cheaper, have good underlying numbers, and some bring a bit of grit.

Some think that he wouldn't be protected in the expansion draft and used as a bit of a cap dump by TB.

I think most peoples obsession with other teams RHD is based on the fact that the right side of Van's D is pretty poor at times and the players just look so much better on a better team.

You can probably find the type of player Cernak is, if you got between the how great he is crowd and the how much he sucks crowd.
- manvanfan

It is not just the right side, the team has a poor makeup of a group of defenders.

You're arguing with yourself now. Enjoy.
- Load Management

Who’s winning?

It is not just the right side, the team has a poor makeup of a group of defenders.
- Reubenkincade

It's amazing how much a #1 Dman can change that though. Draft one and it could take 4 years to develop. Trade for 1 or sign one and the effect is immediate.

Who’s winning?
- Nighthawk

Eklund, he always wins.

Seth Jones was just reduced to "above average" because of analytics, whereas Tanev is glorified at the top dman in the NHL.

It's not that analytics don't offer some value, it's just that they're highly overvalued.

Once again, Yogi Berra:

"Statistics are like lampposts. They're to be used for support not illumination."
- golfingsince

I like that quote. To not use them at all is idiotic though imo. Jones had a tough year trying to make a very mediocre team go offensively/defensively. Things is, he's also paired with Warenski who is a defensive liabilty. Away from Warenski his stats are quite strong.

I dont have one. Obtain more draft picks, develop and we can stop paying premiums for other teams good players.

I have high hopes for Rathbone. I'm also hoping we can buy low on an UFA. I said earlier my targets would be

John's, hakanpaa, Gustafson, oleksiak, McCabe,

I dont think it's in the clubs best interest right now to pay a hefty price on a UFA D. The names above I believe will be much cheaper, have good underlying numbers, and some bring a bit of grit.
- Codes1087

Draft/develop goes without saying.

Trading takes give to get unless advocating not trading for need(s).

I’ve been high on Bones since drafted & one more LHD that needs a solid defensive partner.

Savard & Hamonic would satisfy me if none are traded for. Gaining picks are difficult at this time.

It's amazing how much a #1 Dman can change that though. Draft one and it could take 4 years to develop. Trade for 1 or sign one and the effect is immediate.
- golfingsince

Truth

If any chance to get a top RHD is available it’s a MUST to go for. Not only fills a huge need it saves valuable years of the core.

It is not just the right side, the team has a poor makeup of a group of defenders.
- Reubenkincade

Explains why I package OJ if gaining RHD. Nothing against him but Hughes & Rathbone supply a ton of offence that only need defensive D that can be easier found.

I like that quote. To not use them at all is idiotic though imo. Jones had a tough year trying to make a very mediocre team go offensively/defensively. Things is, he's also paired with Warenski who is a defensive liabilty. Away from Warenski his stats are quite strong.
- neem55

According to that article I posted earlier, *trigger warning* his stats actually aren’t as strong as when he’s paired with Warenski. They make each other better.

I like that quote. To not use them at all is idiotic though imo. Jones had a tough year trying to make a very mediocre team go offensively/defensively. Things is, he's also paired with Warenski who is a defensive liabilty. Away from Warenski his stats are quite strong.
- neem55

You should go read the article. It states otherwise.

Let's at least get his name right Werenski.

I like that quote. To not use them at all is idiotic though imo. Jones had a tough year trying to make a very mediocre team go offensively/defensively. Things is, he's also paired with Warenski who is a defensive liabilty. Away from Warenski his stats are quite strong.
- neem55

If we have the chance to acquire Seth Jones we go out and get him.....that's my opinion. Of course it comes down to cost, but how many players/picks/prospects would you deem untouchable? 1 for 1, not one of them for me. It's the combination of where it could be damaging.

Make your offers for Jones for fun

Minivan created a forum for the 2021 list. He created a nice list of all positions, I added a few names to that list, but didn't have to add much because he had a good list of players that I also agreed with him on.

This guy is one of my candidates for the 2nd round.

https://www.eliteprospect.../player/507089/evan-nause
- Reubenkincade

High in the 2nd round or last 5 picks?

If we have the chance to acquire Seth Jones we go out and get him.....that's my opinion. Of course it comes down to cost, but how many players/picks/prospects would you deem untouchable? 1 for 1, not one of them for me. It's the combination of where it could be damaging.
- golfingsince

OJ/1st yes or no?
Maybe add idk.

If we have the chance to acquire Seth Jones we go out and get him.....that's my opinion. Of course it comes down to cost, but how many players/picks/prospects would you deem untouchable? 1 for 1, not one of them for me. It's the combination of where it could be damaging.
- golfingsince

I think the bidding war for him would be insane. Would rather get him as a UFA. A lot of teams could outbid the Canucks

OJ/1st yes or no?
Maybe add idk.
- Nighthawk

I think Schmidt would be a decent add for any deal involving our D.

Make your offers for Jones for fun
- Nighthawk

Schmidt, OJ, 2nd.

Make your offers for Jones for fun
- Nighthawk

WAR is the conversion of Goals Above Average to Goals Above Replacement to Wins Above Replacement. There are a couple added benefits to using Wins:

It’s a bit more interpretable than goals (at least theoretically).
The process of converting Goals to Wins allows us to adjust the overall GAR values to account for each season’s goal scoring environment.
Wins are what we are after. Theoretically, we want to know how much a player has contributed to their team in a format that directly corresponds to winning.


Apparently Jones is only 0.3 WAR which essentially means we can play Ben Hutton and only lose another half game so he's not worth it.

I'm confused. Am I NuckUp or Lordy?

"Math explains something that is already there."

Pretty obvious statement. Anyhow, you're probably running out of posters to insult me with. I'm gonna leave this discussion now.
- Load Management

Take it as a compliment that you're smarter than him. If he knew how to insult on poster comps all he'd had to do is look in a mirror.