If he resigns, the 1st won’t sting so much

Nash, Rittich and Hutton were wasted picks
- mr.sir

People talked so much poop here in previous years when Dubas didn't send middle or late picks for depth and the leafs were injured that year.
Dubas learns, brings in depth at his needed positions and included Nash for injury depth and still criticized.

You can make no mistakes and still lose. I feel Dubas did a good job. Made the right moves and until theres real evidence he had other options available to him then its hard to say he failed.

The guys on the ice who ARE good enough to win 4 out 7 didnt get the job done.

What do you mean? I read an article that said JT’s injury provided extra motivation for players like AM and MM to win the series. Game two’s win was dedicated to JT. I dont think you can underestimate that kind of emotional lift.
- bloatedmosquito

they immediately won 3 games in a row.
maybe it helped. but they would have been better off with him in the lineup..even the dumbest person here knows that

they immediately won 3 games in a row.
maybe it helped. but they would have been better off with him in the lineup..even the dumbest person here knows that
- senstroll

It's true. Even I know that.

This was so expected.
For one game in this series, i bought into this fools gold but still, in the back of my mind knew it was a mirage.
This doesnt hurt at all, it sucks because of who they choked to,but its exactly what was expected
The core needs to be changed.
Clean house, you have to get rid of the stench of failure.
Everyone blamed the old coach, most blamed Andersen or kadri. Different coach, different goalie, kadri looks to possibly win a cup elsewhere. But same leafs failure
This was so predictable, but now at least the homers will stfu.
Ugh, the two teams i cheer for are clusterfacks.
One is the embarrassment of a league and city, the biggest chokers ever. The other, is just a fack up.
Ah well.
- Fakepartofme

For me it wasn't expected. I expected better and that's why I'm pissed. There is no magic curse ..there is a problem and it can be solved.

I wanted one game where I'd see the Leafs come out in the first and dictate play for the first 10 minutes. Get the Habs on their heels, get in their heads, and get the lead. They couldn't do it. I don't even know if they tried to do it ...they always came out looking more interested in "settling into the game".

Dubas told us in after the CLb loss that he needed to add ''leadership', compete' and 'grit'. We added Simmonds Foligno and Thornton for all of that ....game 7 those guys were invisible and whatever magic mentorship they provide wasn't apparent in the play of the young guys. Comparing past playoffs ..I didn't see any change at all in terms of those variables.

poopty PP (Malhotra should be canned today to start the accountability).
Timely mistakes (Galchenyuk should be dangled overboard and Dermott should be gifted a Kraken jersey today)
Seeming lack of urgency (Dubas and Shanny better be prepared to call the team out on this in the season ending pressers)

patio season opens this weekend, right?

they immediately won 3 games in a row.
maybe it helped. but they would have been better off with him in the lineup..even the dumbest person here knows that
- senstroll

Oh, is that because of JT’s extensive playoff experience?

More fan backlash is coming if the Leafs let Hyman walk. They do not have the cap space to resign him. They are going to need to move quickly to make adjustments to the upper levels of the team's salary base.

they had to do something, Andersen was a ? at the time

i read they tried to get Dubnyk, but he went to Col
but they def had to grab someone. can debate who they should have gotten. but they were all pretty meh options
- senstroll

A 3rd is a huge overpayment for a backup. They could have gotten him for cheaper had they waited on that. Also, he sucks.

thats what I mean, i wont matter.

have no idea since I am just a fan a million miles away..but is it just the pressure they are under? as the years go on and it just builds more and more...players just cant deal with it..no matter who they are.

i have no idea..because everyone picked to leafs to sail through this series...it wasnt much of a question. and again...thud
- senstroll

The team lost 3 in a row in the season maybe twice? This was the year and yet they couldn't show up for ONE game.

It was so close too with two overtime that were ended just by bad plays.

I thought it was enough. Turns out he wasn't the warrior Dubas thought he was getting. I personally think he's injured.

Anyway, thus reminds me of Washington never going anywhere for years but we shall see.

I wouldn't be surprised if they come back with the same core one more time. No Andersen and maybe no Rielly though.
- Aaron_85

I understand what people are trying to do when they mention Washington. But I'm sorry, it doesn't apply this team. First, the Caps were able to get out of the first round, this team has shown so far they aren't capable of it. 2nd, which is the more important. For the garbage people placed on him, Ovi and the rest of the core for the most part were performing. It wasn't their core that was failing them for the most part. There was maybe 1 year where you can point to Ovi not producing.
He was never as pathetic as Marner was in this series, and 1 goal from Matthews doesn't cut it.

Off-season plan:

Fire Malhotra and Hakstol
Hire Boudreau and ?

Trade Marner
Jones, Eichel, Chychrun+

Pick up backup goalie


Let Robertson, Brooks, Anderson replace old vets

Oh, is that because of JT’s extensive playoff experience?
- bloatedmosquito

oops.. I was wrong.

he doesnt know

More fan backlash is coming if the Leafs let Hyman walk. They do not have the cap space to resign him. They are going to need to move quickly to make adjustments to the upper levels of the team's salary base.
- spatso

Andersen and his 5 million come off the books.

Leafs could give Hyman a 3 million raise if they wanted to.

A 3rd is a huge overpayment for a backup. They could have gotten him for cheaper had they waited on that. Also, he sucks.
- Archaic

Its a 3rd. It means almost nothing. Dubas paid a 3rd for a goalie that didn't need quarantine and to remove Hutchinson. Worth it. But let's be realistic, the 3rd rounder wasn't going to win us the cup. This collapse isn't on dubas spending a few middling draft picks to bring in depth and a first rounder for Foligno.

The team lost 3 in a row in the season maybe twice? This was the year and yet they couldn't show up for ONE game.

It was so close too with two overtime that were ended just by bad plays.
- Aaron_85

And Montreal won 3 in a row... 2 or 3 times tops this year.

The odds were so lopsided when it was 3-1, I had pretty much lost hope.

But my boys pulled through.


You can tell that repeated scenario is getting to the Leafs players at this point. Marner was nervous all series long and Matthews was less visible with every loss.

It's something that's going to be hard to shake off.

More fan backlash is coming if the Leafs let Hyman walk. They do not have the cap space to resign him. They are going to need to move quickly to make adjustments to the upper levels of the team's salary base.
- spatso

Hyman walking is pretty low on the backlash scale give me a break.

I’m calling my shot. Putting my neck on the line. Pushing in all my chips. Throwing caution to the wind.


LEAFS. WILL. WIN.


I guarantee it.
- Steven_Seagull

More fan backlash is coming if the Leafs let Hyman walk. They do not have the cap space to resign him. They are going to need to move quickly to make adjustments to the upper levels of the team's salary base.
- spatso

assuming the same manag. in place.
they are smart enough to make it work if they want

im not worried about that

Its a 3rd. It means almost nothing. Dubas paid a 3rd for a goalie that didn't need quarantine and to remove Hutchinson. Worth it. But let's be realistic, the 3rd rounder wasn't going to win us the cup. This collapse isn't on dubas spending a few middling draft picks to bring in depth and a first rounder for Foligno.
- Aaron_85

When you trade away pretty much all your draft picks and do nothing it is kinda of a big deal. You collapse to an awful Montreal team who likely wont make the playoffs next year, and then cant even draft anyone.

I understand what people are trying to do when they mention Washington. But I'm sorry, it doesn't apply this team. First, the Caps were able to get out of the first round, this team has shown so far they aren't capable of it. 2nd, which is the more important. For the garbage people placed on him, Ovi and the rest of the core for the most part were performing. It wasn't their core that was failing them for the most part. There was maybe 1 year where you can point to Ovi not producing.
He was never as pathetic as Marner was in this series, and 1 goal from Matthews doesn't cut it.
- r8edr

St.louis was the same. Moved pieces around and lost or missed the playoffs before winning. Like it happens.

It shows just how special the penguins, Chicago and even the kings are.

Things came VERY close to be completely different though, Matthews hit the post in OT in game 6, he scores and we have everyone in MTL fired and Leafs are back as a strong contender for the cup. One post.

A key part of the leafs always goes down in the playoffs.

Kadri suspended all the time
Muzzin twice
Tavares
- bryant

Wont' be a popular opinion but at 32 yrs old and having suffered significant injuries in the last two playoffs ...I'd have him on the unprotected list for Seattle.

He's got 3 years and 5.6 per left. They won't be his best years. I really like Muzzin but with that cap space and those injuries I'm ready to move on.

When you trade away pretty much all your draft picks and do nothing it is kinda of a big deal. You collapse to an awful Montreal team who likely wont make the playoffs next year, and then cant even draft anyone.
- Archaic

They have prospects. The window is open. The focus is on winning not filling the cupboards.

Let me know when the 3rd rounder lifts the cup for Calgary.

And Montreal won 3 in a row... 2 or 3 times tops this year.

The odds were so lopsided when it was 3-1, I had pretty much lost hope.

But my boys pulled through.


You can tell that repeated scenario is getting to the Leafs players at this point. Marner was nervous all series long and Matthews was less visible with every loss.

It's something that's going to be hard to shake off.
- Scabeh

Leafs had good tendin...but got out goalied again?

More fan backlash is coming if the Leafs let Hyman walk. They do not have the cap space to resign him. They are going to need to move quickly to make adjustments to the upper levels of the team's salary base.
- spatso

They will be fine

He wasn't himself since returning from injury.

Marner - bye
Thornton - bye
Freddie - bye
Simmonds - bye
Galchenyuk - bye
Rittich - bye
Hyman - please stay
Reilly - his playoff performance gets him one more year
Bogo - please resign
Spezza - please resign
Nylander, Kerfoot, Brodie, Muzzin and Campbell can all stay
JT - we are stuck with him
Matthews - you can stay, for now

Everyone else can (frank) off