Most people on here arent like that. I know if the roles were reversed I wouldnt be posting in the Habs thread in less it was words of encouragement, but thats just me.
- Archaic

You're a good guy Archaic.

Always fun chatting with ya!

Lost last 3 games of season,no one was concerned.

He said Brodie was a mistake from the second they signed him, and somehow decided it was a good idea to continue to push that agenda the better he played.

With that in mind I'm not surprised at all Brodie turned out to be probably our best defenceman, Max being wrong is the only thing he can be right about, ever.
- joel878

It's hilarious. You can literally be absent from this site for months and jump back into the Leafs threads and find 2 consistencies. Him and Roger.

Brodie was a god damned rock star all year. Reilly was terrible during the regular season but had a good playoff series. The only 2 dmen you could look at as being liabilities in this series were Dermott and Sandin. Sandin for 1 game and Dermott for literally 1 shift.

The forwards lost this series. Matthews, Marner, Hyman, Foligno, Simmonds, Engvall, Thornton, Galchenyuk, Mikheyev all weren't good enough.

I am happy moving forward with the D core and Campbell with another goalie. The forward group needs to change significantly.

They looked like a completely different team then the regular season. They looked like the Colorado avalanche of the playoffs in the regular season.

The leaf playoff team looked like the Buffalo Sabres regular season.
- bryant

Playoffs are just a popularity contest anyway. Who cares. The regular season was a huge success. That’s what matters.

Listening to the Fan 590 this morning. Interesting point being made. People are dumping hard on Marner. Huge majority saying he has to go. Another take, someone reasoned that the harshness towards Marner is because people do not want to dump on Matthews. Yet, Matthews was also a non factor, perhaps, an even bigger miss than Marner.

Obviously the Matthews/Marner duo came up short. Who do you put with Matthews to make a difference.

You're a good guy Archaic.

Always fun chatting with ya!

- Scabeh

The other half of my family are Habs fans, so I hope they smash the Jets. Someone might as well be happy

While Im not on the trade matthews train at all. You cant blame Marner for Matthews lack of production. The last 3 games, matthews just looked bad, ya he hit a few post but overall, he looked bad.
- Fakepartofme

Agreed. He wasn't great, wasn't dominant at all.

I am willing to give him a pass this year based on previous playoff performances. He still played a good two way game although I was very disappointed with the lack of effort he showed in the late stages last night.

Marner just didn't get it done in the playoffs.....again. He handled the puck like a grenade, passed when he should have shot, shot when he should have passed. Flipped the puck over the boards completely unpressured in game 6.

Marner's terrible play made it easy for the Habs to key in on Matthews.

Listening to the Fan 590 this morning. Interesting point being made. People are dumping hard on Marner. Huge majority saying he has to go. Another take, someone reasoned that the harshness towards Marner is because people do not want to dump on Matthews. Yet, Matthews was also a non factor, perhaps, an even bigger miss than Marner.

Obviously the Matthews/Marner duo came up short. Who do you put with Matthews to make a difference.
- spatso

I'm still a little surprised that Keefe never decided to split them up/switch things up during this series.

Listening to the Fan 590 this morning. Interesting point being made. People are dumping hard on Marner. Huge majority saying he has to go. Another take, someone reasoned that the harshness towards Marner is because people do not want to dump on Matthews. Yet, Matthews was also a non factor, perhaps, an even bigger miss than Marner.

Obviously the Matthews/Marner duo came up short. Who do you put with Matthews to make a difference.
- spatso

Matthews was better then Marner, however they both sucked. I blame Keefe for not seperating them.

While Im not on the trade matthews train at all. You cant blame Marner for Matthews lack of production. The last 3 games, matthews just looked bad, ya he hit a few post but overall, he looked bad.
- Fakepartofme

I saw it completely opposite. Matthews was engaged, pushing the play, creating chances... And the puck went to Marners stick and the play died and they were all chasing back to their own end.

Again and again and again.

The other half of my family are Habs fans, so I hope they smash the Jets. Someone might as well be happy
- Archaic

I believe the Habs can do it. Won't be easy but it's surely possible.

But I can't even dream of a cup, there's just no way we'd pass Colorado.

Lost last 3 games of season,no one was concerned.
- spazzbot

It was those two back-to-back losses to the covid Canucks that had me second guessing the leafs. I mean, how is that possible if a cup contending team is focused and ready to work hard for 60 minutes?

I'm still a little surprised that Keefe never decided to split them up/switch things up during this series.
- Scabeh

Handcuffed by entitlement.

You can't even punish/reward players with ice-time any more.

They had a 3-1 series lead; game 1 was a mulligan after what happened to JT.

You can't blame a "post" for that. They had 3 opportunities to seal the deal and didn't.

There is an entitled arrogance with this team that needs to be cured and I don't think the modern day coach has very many tools at their disposal.

If you're an old school hard ass like Torts, the "effete elite" that is the modern-day premiere forward won't respond to it, because they've been told their entire career how amazing they are and have had privilege and opportunity showered at their feet.

That's why balance is so key. Foligno would've been a better move a year ago, so he had time to acclimate and form alliances with other hard-nosed players on the roster (Hyman, Muzzin, etc.) and lead by example.

Modern day coaches are afraid to even take people off PPs: I remember when that was a privilege, not a right, depending on who's playing their best that night.

Poor ol' Willy turned this around and was rewarded with PP1 minutes far too late and watched the 10M hugster dufus flip puck after puck into the stands, fade away from every 50/50 puck battle, and get stripped of the puck more times than I can remember.

Matthews, well, at times he was a warrior and hitting everything, but he didn't get it done in the end, and with time running out on that contract, I don't know if he re-ups. I think he was hurt or not fully healed, but so is everyone in the playoffs.

In the end, by game 5, I just knew this was going to happen, so by the time it did last night, it just felt like a formality. I was barely watching by the 2nd period and had it on mute by the 3rd.

I don't know if I can muster up strength to continue to watch this pathetic team with all the emotional exhaustion it carries.
- gravyface

Come to the dark side, you still get to want to fire everyone every couple weeks but we get a positive surprise in the playoffs once in a while....at least.

In off season. I would dump the vets, even spezza who played very good. I would try and trade Mariner. I would get a better coach, , better gm , dump shannaplan

I know it sounds extreme but this time it calls for it,, unless they want to ground hog day again next spring

Listening to the Fan 590 this morning. Interesting point being made. People are dumping hard on Marner. Huge majority saying he has to go. Another take, someone reasoned that the harshness towards Marner is because people do not want to dump on Matthews. Yet, Matthews was also a non factor, perhaps, an even bigger miss than Marner.

Obviously the Matthews/Marner duo came up short. Who do you put with Matthews to make a difference.
- spatso

Leafs fans will not dump on Matthews. He is their saviour. They ignore any bad statistics where he is concerned.

Listening to the Fan 590 this morning. Interesting point being made. People are dumping hard on Marner. Huge majority saying he has to go. Another take, someone reasoned that the harshness towards Marner is because people do not want to dump on Matthews. Yet, Matthews was also a non factor, perhaps, an even bigger miss than Marner.

Obviously the Matthews/Marner duo came up short. Who do you put with Matthews to make a difference.
- spatso

I think the difference was the puck didn’t die on Matthews stick nearly as much as it did on Marner’s. He was ineffective at everything. Despite Matthews not scoring, I thought he was able to defend well and at least move through a check. They both deserve criticism, but no one deserves more than Marner and possibly Keefe. He should’ve split them up after Game 5.

I saw it completely opposite. Matthews was engaged, pushing the play, creating chances... And the puck went to Marners stick and the play died and they were all chasing back to their own end.

Again and again and again.
- joel878

And playing hurt. Marner lost every 50/50 puck battle and flipped the puck into the stands at every opportunity.

I read on MLHS that someone in the "know" said Marner refused to play the blueline on the PP. "Refused". Like get the (frank) out of here, you entitled hugster dufus.

It was those two back-to-back losses to the covid Canucks that had me second guessing the leafs. I mean, how is that possible if a cup contending team is focused and ready to work hard for 60 minutes?
- bloatedmosquito

It should have sent up red-flags about the character of the Leafs.

It's hilarious. You can literally be absent from this site for months and jump back into the Leafs threads and find 2 consistencies. Him and Roger.

Brodie was a god damned rock star all year. Reilly was terrible during the regular season but had a good playoff series. The only 2 dmen you could look at as being liabilities in this series were Dermott and Sandin. Sandin for 1 game and Dermott for literally 1 shift.

The forwards lost this series. Matthews, Marner, Hyman, Foligno, Simmonds, Engvall, Thornton, Galchenyuk, Mikheyev all weren't good enough.

I am happy moving forward with the D core and Campbell with another goalie. The forward group needs to change significantly.
- MynameisJeff

I found Holl regressed badly towards the end, he is very Muzzin dependent. I also was not the biggest fan of Riellys series, although I found he played better than he did in the regular season for the most part. I would still like to see the backend partially rebuilt around Muzzin and Brodie. Think Holl is gone to Seattle, should be enough of Dermott... And I would move on from Rielly as well.

Agreed on the forwards.

Team needs to use the nuclear option to get the stink off this rotting corpse, and find another team that wants to push the red button as well.

Marner and Rielly for Draisaitl and Kassian.

Marner will still be on this team at the start of the season.

first never combine plus minus stats..its dumb. they play together..
1 goal against is not -2

at 5v5, AM and Marner on the ice the goals were 3-1

not sure what you need to fix, except score more goals in 7 games
- senstroll

The only thing that needs to be fixed is that the two players who combine for $22 million dollars in cap, need to score more the 1 goal.

People can cry all they want about getting out hit, the defense and goalies not being good enought, and this team not playing playoff hockey and bla bla bla bla.

They lost because their top guys couldn't solve Price. How do you solve it? I'm not sure you can. Perhaps if Tavares was playing, they win the series. But that doesn't change the fact that your top guys still aren't performing. Perhaps the leafs are were the Raptors were 3 years ago, and you need to make a major change.

Listening to the Fan 590 this morning. Interesting point being made. People are dumping hard on Marner. Huge majority saying he has to go. Another take, someone reasoned that the harshness towards Marner is because people do not want to dump on Matthews. Yet, Matthews was also a non factor, perhaps, an even bigger miss than Marner.

Obviously the Matthews/Marner duo came up short. Who do you put with Matthews to make a difference.
- spatso

Marner got a huge contract, more than any comparable player to him at the time.
he basically held the team ransom till he got what he wanted... no discout what so ever.

if you do that, you have to put produce. there is no more leeway.

AM is a different thing. ROY, elite goal scorer. Richard threat...he is worth his deal. in my opinion. never though he was overpaid..maybe short on term. but worth the deal.

Marner to me has always been overpaid.. at 8.5-9, great
10.9 ..you squeezed every cent out of the team so they couldnt keep others

In off season. I would dump the vets, even spezza who played very good. I would try and trade Mariner. I would get a better coach, , better gm , dump shannaplan

I know it sounds extreme but this time it calls for it,, unless they want to ground hog day again next spring
- spazzbot

again..the Leafs did that in 2014
after the previous team couldnt get it done.

Marner got a huge contract, more than any comparable player to him at the time.
he basically held the team ransom till he got what he wanted... no discout what so ever.

if you do that, you have to put produce. there is no more leeway.

AM is a different thing. ROY, elite goal scorer. Richard threat...he is worth his deal. in my opinion. never though he was overpaid..maybe short on term. but worth the deal.

Marner to me has always been overpaid.. at 8.5-9, great
10.9 ..you squeezed every cent out of the team so they couldnt keep others
- senstroll

and yet, marner is a guy that plays to win and defends, blocks shots.
sure, he has had a bad series.
still he does not have the same character issues as matthews.
stupid smirk is just a way of showing your arrogance.