The only thing that needs to be fixed is that the two players who combine for $22 million dollars in cap, need to score more the 1 goal.

People can cry all they want about getting out hit, the defense and goalies not being good enought, and this team not playing playoff hockey and bla bla bla bla.

They lost because their top guys couldn't solve Price. How do you solve it? I'm not sure you can. Perhaps if Tavares was playing, they win the series. But that doesn't change the fact that your top guys still aren't performing. Perhaps the leafs are were the Raptors were 3 years ago, and you need to make a major change.
- r8edr

They won gane 2,3,4 without tavares. Yep mathews/mariner like it or not were the problem... it was an epic choke

And playing hurt. Marner lost every 50/50 puck battle and flipped the puck into the stands at every opportunity.

I read on MLHS that someone in the "know" said Marner refused to play the blueline on the PP. "Refused". Like get the (frank) out of here, you entitled hugster dufus.
- gravyface

Didn't help that the Habs figured it out immediately. They just let Marner do his thing and insert bullets into his own feet and doubled down on Matthews.

Wouldn't surprise me if that were true, he has an aroma of thinking he's bigger than the team ever since that entry level contract expired.

Hyman - JT - Marner
?? - ?? - ??
Engvall - ?? - Mikheyev
Robertson - ?? - ??

Rielly - ??
Sandin - ??
?? - Liljegren

Campbell (1A - 50% of starts)
??? (1B - 50% of starts)
Woll (backup for every game)

I'd like to see all of Nylander, Matthews, Brodie, Holl traded away.
dont resign Jumbo Joe, Simmonds

Kerfoot, Muzzin, Galchenyuk, Spezza maybes - but rather see them all go / traded away as well.

6new FW, 3new Dmen, and a 1A goalie.
some come in via trades, others in FA.
- MaximusAurelius

Problem with this Max is where's McDavid fit in the line up. If you trade Mathews it has to be worth it if you do. I do think Nylander will be traded this summer before Marner will only because the Leafs brass have to much invested in him and doing so would subliminally say we failed.

Marner will still be on this team at the start of the season.
- wingz4life

Of course he will be. That contract is horrendous.

Leafs fans will not dump on Matthews. He is their saviour. They ignore any bad statistics where he is concerned.
- Interloper

That is BS. Matthews was getting ripped apart after 2018 playoffs for not performing, despite possibly playing with bum shoulder, and also after 2019 despite scoring 5 goals in 7. If anything Marner has been given a free ride by fans up to this year, despite be garbage in the previous 2 playoffs, and even worse this year.

and yet, marner is a guy that plays to win and defends, blocks shots.
sure, he has had a bad series.
still he does not have the same character issues as matthews.
stupid smirk is just a way of showing your arrogance.
- MaximusAurelius

Marner shrinks when it counts.

he was awful, and got the most ice time. he is probably a cry baby whiner so he gets what he wants

Babcock's probably cracking open a nice bottle of wine tonight
- Nucker101

Babcock Still working on cracking the Leafs analytics code.

Marner will still be on this team at the start of the season.
- wingz4life

of course he will. They will let the dust settle, take the emotions out of it and try to tweak a few small things.

They are the 2009-10 Washington Capitals.

and yet, marner is a guy that plays to win and defends, blocks shots.
sure, he has had a bad series.
still he does not have the same character issues as matthews.
stupid smirk is just a way of showing your arrogance.
- MaximusAurelius

Another gem here.

Holding your hometown team hostage to ensure you're overpaid every cent you can rake them for = not character issue.

Smiling = character issue.

You have a serious problem with anyone being happy about anything, explains why you're only here when things get miserable.

I believe the Habs can do it. Won't be easy but it's surely possible.

But I can't even dream of a cup, there's just no way we'd pass Colorado.

- Scabeh

That is true, I dont think anyone in the North was beating them.

Times like these, I find a good book can be comforting...


- bloatedmosquito

lol fresh from the Nucks thread??

At least the Nucks had a 26 day flu break and then whined for more days off like true Millenials do....

and yet, marner is a guy that plays to win and defends, blocks shots.
sure, he has had a bad series.
still he does not have the same character issues as matthews.
stupid smirk is just a way of showing your arrogance.
- MaximusAurelius

i'm not surprised that you're the expert on arrogance

That is true, I dont think anyone in the North was beating them.
- Archaic

WPG will handle MTL. in 6.

WPG will handle MTL. in 6.
- LordHumungous

then lose to colorado in 5

and yet, marner is a guy that plays to win and defends, blocks shots.
sure, he has had a bad series.
still he does not have the same character issues as matthews.
stupid smirk is just a way of showing your arrogance.
- MaximusAurelius

Marner has been sh1t all series

But Matthews smiled that one time so he is a bigger issue.

Playoffs are just a popularity contest anyway. Who cares. The regular season was a huge success. That’s what matters.
- bloatedmosquito

That’s all we have to cling to. Better than being horrible all reg season too.

WPG will handle MTL. in 6.
- LordHumungous

Habs in 7

Habs in 7

- Scabeh

Jets in 3

and yet, marner is a guy that plays to win and defends, blocks shots.
sure, he has had a bad series every year and is a perennial playoff choker
still he does not have the same character issues as matthews.
stupid smirk is just a way of showing your arrogance.
- MaximusAurelius

Fixed.

Holy sh1t...the arrogance of Leafs fans knows no bounds. Wow.
- JLO961

not sure I would call that "arrogance"... just plain stupid in my opinion.

no doubt a portion of the fanbase will twist themselves into knots trying to make excuses for this collapse.

the ONLY thing that matters at the moment for both the Leafs and Oilers is that they make plain to their fan bases what there intentions are in the coming off season....

at least the Oilers have a few draft pics

That’s all we have to cling to. Better than being horrible all reg season too.
- Woderwick

So true, it’s an honour just to make the playoffs. I think most leaf fans can agree that seven games is better than zero games. Especially when fan playoff expectations are so low.

Marner hasnt score a playoff goals since the signed his monster contract.

thats just unacceptable.
(frank)ing 15 min a game Nylander who is a soft and never competes has as many goals as AM

Stephen Burtch
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Even if you add in the 19th game (G1 vs the Bruins where Marner scored 2 goals). Now we are discussing the last 3 playoff years...

Matthews - 8 goals, 17 pts
Nylander - 8 goals, 15 pts
Marner - 2 goals, 12 pts

Serious question, is Max even a Leafs fan?

and yet, marner is a guy that plays to win and defends, blocks shots.
sure, he has had a bad series.
still he does not have the same character issues as matthews.
stupid smirk is just a way of showing your arrogance.
- MaximusAurelius

Marner has had 5 bad playoff series in a row.
Marner consistently gave the puck away in this series.
On the PK, he flipped the puck into the crowd completely unpressured

Matthews has not had 5 bad playoffs in a row
Matthews consistently took the puck away from others, and held possession
Matthews does not play on the PK
Matthews should have scored more
Matthews should not have fought back, smirking was the right response

Both of them did not bring the intensity when it was required.

Dallas will win the Cup
Roope Hintz for William Nylander
Let Freddie play game 6

You are full of terrible takes. This is yet another one.

Marner has been sh1t all series

But Matthews smiled that one time so he is a bigger issue.
- Leafs43