I think the return of two 2nds for Devon toews pretty much sets the bar for Vince Dunn. Anything less St. Louis is getting fleeced, anything more St.Louis is doing the fleecing.

Although there is one caveat with a draft as unpredictable as this one you could argue a late 1st is worth less than 2 2nds at which point yzerman would have to ask himself is whoever he gets with the Washington pick going to be as good/better than Dunn

I’m still as you put it swing for the fences, give 1st round #26 to Columbus for Werenski (plus sweetener) That gives Columbus 3 first rounders and the back to back picks 25 & 26.
Columbus may be able to move the 26th pick to their advantage?

I’m still as you put it swing for the fences, give 1st round #26 to Columbus for Werenski (plus sweetener) That gives Columbus 3 first rounders and the back to back picks 25 & 26.
Columbus may be able to move the 26th pick to their advantage?
- Tee56

They already have 3

I’m still as you put it swing for the fences, give 1st round #26 to Columbus for Werenski (plus sweetener) That gives Columbus 3 first rounders and the back to back picks 25 & 26.
Columbus may be able to move the 26th pick to their advantage?
- Tee56

Maybe I overrate Werenski, but I think that’s an awfully thin package for a top 2 dman that’s still rfa and still quite young (23). Several teams would match that and offer more. The Jackets, I think, could hold out for a first and a forward prospect (at least) for Werenski. Certainly hope my Kings would offer a first and one of their forwards not named Byfield.

They already have 3
- Buff36

Your right, i missed the 29th. Even better four 1st rounders

I think the return of two 2nds for Devon toews pretty much sets the bar for Vince Dunn. Anything less St. Louis is getting fleeced, anything more St.Louis is doing the fleecing.

Although there is one caveat with a draft as unpredictable as this one you could argue a late 1st is worth less than 2 2nds at which point yzerman would have to ask himself is whoever he gets with the Washington pick going to be as good/better than Dunn
- RedC21

Except: Toews > Dunn, I would think a 2nd and a 3rd or 4th....Or Cholo

Maybe I overrate Werenski, but I think that’s an awfully thin package for a top 2 dman that’s still rfa and still quite young (23). Several teams would match that and offer more. The Jackets, I think, could hold out for a first and a forward prospect (at least) for Werenski. Certainly hope my Kings would offer a first and one of their forwards not named Byfield.
- Only_A_Ladd

If CBJ were to trade Werenski, LA would be able to give them their center needs. I think it would be foolish to trade him right now, whereas Jones is the priority.

I’m still as you put it swing for the fences, give 1st round #26 to Columbus for Werenski (plus sweetener) That gives Columbus 3 first rounders and the back to back picks 25 & 26.
Columbus may be able to move the 26th pick to their advantage?
- Tee56

Definitely not enough for werenski. 6OA would be in play for that.

Except: Toews > Dunn, I would think a 2nd and a 3rd or 4th....Or Cholo
- HenryHockey

No argument there. Only thing to keep in mind was that that trade was considered a massive steal at the time. What I think is comparable about them is that they both post great analytics but were highly underrated due to usage/location of team they play for.

Dunn to me is a a guaranteed top 4 D with potential to show even better in a larger role, sorta like what verhaege has done in Florida. You don’t usually get even a top 4 D with control for less than two 2nds, let alone one that is only 24.

Only 2 things I see hurting his value is the rumoured trade request last off-season and St.Louis’ expansion plans. If they chose to protect Faulk over him he could probably be picked up for what Schmidt went for to Vancouver since it will be likely that they’d lose him in the draft.

I was the one who suggested Dunn in that article. The idea was to look at teams who might have an expansion draft challenge, which we clearly don't. I actually don't think Dunn is that great. Certainly not worth a 1st. But if the Blues feel he could be lost for nothing they may accept a low ball offer.
- Kooleus

Oh man, thanks K. This was really bothering me. I think in this draft a second is fairly valuable. I think the reason this got “out” is St. Louis is trying to get the bidding going a bit higher. I’m fine with using a second with the surplus Yzerman has got.

MN is trying to get the price up on Dumba again. Every year his name gets out and the “circuit” writers talk him up. “I can’t believe he’s available”, etc. and yet, somehow, no one bites. The spin machine is on tumble once again

No argument there. Only thing to keep in mind was that that trade was considered a massive steal at the time. What I think is comparable about them is that they both post great analytics but were highly underrated due to usage/location of team they play for.

Dunn to me is a a guaranteed top 4 D with potential to show even better in a larger role, sorta like what verhaege has done in Florida. You don’t usually get even a top 4 D with control for less than two 2nds, let alone one that is only 24.

Only 2 things I see hurting his value is the rumoured trade request last off-season and St.Louis’ expansion plans. If they chose to protect Faulk over him he could probably be picked up for what Schmidt went for to Vancouver since it will be likely that they’d lose him in the draft.
- RedC21

Thanks for the context, I like Dunn and hope for a bigger mobile defensive LD as well. Not Staal, but Dunn + Nemeth would be OK. I think there will be better choices than Staal and Nemeth though. Martinez, Ian Cole, Hjarmelson, would be good choices on short term deals.

Your right, i missed the 29th. Even better four 1st rounders
- Tee56

4 1sts in a crap shoot draft???? I would prefer that any more 1sts be 2022!

I would still hope Stevie checks in with the Ducks on Hampus Lindholm's availability. The Ducks have 4 D-men that could warrant protection in the ex-draft, and that is leaving Fluery unprotected. Maybe they wish to trade one and go to a different protection route.

4 1sts in a crap shoot draft???? I would prefer that any more 1sts be 2022!

- HenryHockey

Yup. Bet that's the price tag (and more) for either CBJ defenseman: at least a 2022 first (not lotto protected).

Jeremy, while looking at the Ducks roster and seeing their lack of progress this season.....I was wondering if they are ready to gain more picks and commit more towards the rebuild. They only have 7 picks this year and next..... What if Gibson is made available? Would Stevie commit to a franchise goalie this early in a rebuild??? What will the Ducks except for him and would he be worth it? I would expect Toronto to step up and offer some serious capital for his services. But Gibson has no trade protection, and there would be quite a bidding war. Just a thought......

Edit: the other question that might be: Why make the same mistake that a rebuilding team like Ottawa made with Matt Murray??

I don't mind if they get Dunn for the right price but i do hope Yzerman takes a swing to sign Oleksiak if he hits the market. Big, physical, lefty with some offense. He's 28 but still could be a good stopgap until some of the prospects come along.

Then you have Dekeyser, Dunn and Oleksiak for the left side...Seider, Hronek and Stetcher for the right with Cholowski and Lindstrom battling for spots or to be 7th.

Canada just won world championship with a team that most Canadians would consider average at best. Besides Canadian grit there is one other thing I noticed coach Gerard Gallant every where he goes his teams with less talent or depth seem to win. The sad thing is Seattle, Buffalo,New Jersey will probably sign Gallant and be instantly successful where as we red wing fans will still be sitting here 3 or 4 years from now still talking about a rebuild and trading Larkin because he is too old . After 5 years if you are still talking about not trying to make the playoffs something is wrong.

I don't mind if they get Dunn for the right price but i do hope Yzerman takes a swing to sign Oleksiak if he hits the market. Big, physical, lefty with some offense. He's 28 but still could be a good stopgap until some of the prospects come along.

Then you have Dekeyser, Dunn and Oleksiak for the left side...Seider, Hronek and Stetcher for the right with Cholowski and Lindstrom battling for spots or to be 7th.
- dcz28

Canada just won world championship with a team that most Canadians would consider average at best. Besides Canadian grit there is one other thing I noticed coach Gerard Gallant every where he goes his teams with less talent or depth seem to win. The sad thing is Seattle, Buffalo,New Jersey will probably sign Gallant and be instantly successful where as we red wing fans will still be sitting here 3 or 4 years from now still talking about a rebuild and trading Larkin because he is too old . After 5 years if you are still talking about not trying to make the playoffs something is wrong.
- saintdog44

The whole tournament pool talent wise was trash. The US team had (frank)ing abdelkader and Brian Boyle.

- HenryHockey

This would also give the Wings a much better mix of size, physical play, toughness, defense and offense on the back end. It would probably also help the forwards create a bit more offense. Watching Seider and Oleksiak knocking players on their butts would also add some entertainment value to boot.

https://i.imgur.com/6LvfP99.gif

https://i.imgur.com/6LvfP99.gif


- HenryHockey

I remember there was one of Tatar like this when he split the D (against Dallas i think it was) making them hit each other with him going in and scoring.

This was the play but i can't find the gif that had him disappear and reappear.

https://gfycat.com/respectfulwhirlwindkingbird

The whole tournament pool talent wise was trash. The US team had (frank)ing abdelkader and Brian Boyle.
- Feds91Stammer

This may sound cold, but I’ve avoided doing a write up on too much. I’ve mentioned the Czechs, Stecher and Seider, but i just didn’t enjoy the tournament itself too much. Abdelkader was knocked out early, and I swear I read a release saying that this could “interfere with his NHL return”. The few times I met Abby, he was a really nice guy. I felt like he probably could have followed Howard’s lead and retired. Jimmy was smart about it. He’s got the kids, he had a career of it, time to do that dad thing. Please don’t think this sounds too cold, but that knee isn’t the roadblock back to the NHL. It’s time to hang ‘em up and play in the alumni games. The playoffs are so fast and fierce that the Worlds just felt like watching slo-mo hockey

I remember there was one of Tatar like this when he split the D (against Dallas i think it was) making them hit each other with him going in and scoring.

This was the play but i can't find the gif that had him disappear and reappear.

https://gfycat.com/respectfulwhirlwindkingbird
- dcz28

Didn’t Tatar get “goal of the year” on something like that?

Didn’t Tatar get “goal of the year” on something like that?
- Jeremy Laura

He might have. I think Nyquist had one in the running too that year.