A team minus its number one center struggles. But in here that’s considered a bad excuse lol
- Nucker101

Of course it’s to be expected lol

Of course it’s to be expected lol
- Nighthawk

"Kills traction"

32 goals in 63 games in a habs sweater.

Not bad
- Codes1087

Cole Caufield made that OT play happen, great motor on that kid...#15thoverall

Cole Caufield made that OT play happen, great motor on that kid...#15thoverall
- LeftCoaster

Hes been really good.

Remember though, no midgets.

For real though, they are slowly making a name for themselves in this league

Lot of very talented halfings in the league now a days

Hes been really good.

Remember though, no midgets.

For real though, they are slowly making a new for themselves in this league

Lot of very talented halfings in the league now a days
- Codes1087

Ruby might even make the Bruins if he were younger

Ruby might even make the Bruins if he were younger
- LeftCoaster

Isles... crazy to see what the right coach for the right mix of players can look like.

Isles... crazy to see what the right coach for the right mix of players can look like.
- manvanfan

A good GM, too.

A good GM, too.
- Marwood

Thats how it is put together. Even the Isles owners smart enough to go out and get the best.

Thats how it is put together. Even the Isles owners smart enough to go out and get the best.
- manvanfan

In a sports saturated market like NY you better put a respectable product on the field/court/ice. One of the problems with the Vancouver market is that the Canuck are the only show in town. Not much competition for those entertainment dollars.

In a sports saturated market like NY you better put a respectable product on the field/court/ice. One of the problems with the Vancouver market is that the Canuck are the only show in town. Not much competition for those entertainment dollars.
- bloatedhefty

While that is true, I doubt FA is trying to put out a poop product because the Canucks are uncontested for entertainment.

While that is true, I doubt FA is trying to put out a poop product because the Canucks are uncontested for entertainment.
- manvanfan

Definitely. Not saying FA is doing anything like that on purpose. All I’m saying is that competition breeds excellence.

Here you go Ruby/anyone else who wants to read.... Drance compiled trade scenarios around draft picks (historical and hypothetical), here's the section on trading down. Basically, it's more likely to backfire than work:

In Benning’s tenure as Canucks general manager, Vancouver has never traded down from a pick that fell within the top 100 picks, despite opportunities to do so, most notably in 2019.

On three occasions, Vancouver has traded back in the later rounds of the draft — down from the fourth round in both 2017 and 2019 and down from the sixth round in 2018 — but trading down from a top-10 pick would represent a significant departure from Benning’s modus operandi on draft day.

Benning isn’t an outlier here. It’s very rare that any NHL teams trade down from a top-15 draft slot. It’s happened only 11 times since 2006.

It’s even rarer still that teams trade down using a pick that’s in the top 10. In the salary-cap era, only three trades have been executed that were examples of a team trading down from a top-10 pick in order to acquire multiple picks. We haven’t seen a team trade out of the top-10 in this manner since 2008.

Here’s the data set of what NHL teams have netted when trading down the draft order from the first half of the first round:

2007: The San Jose Sharks acquired the ninth pick (Logan Couture) from the St. Louis Blues in exchange for the 13th (Lars Eller) and 44th picks (Aaron Palushaj).

2008: The New York Islanders traded back from fifth (Luke Schenn) with Toronto in exchange for the seventh pick, a conditional second-round pick and a conditional third-round pick exercised respectively in 2008-09. The second-round pick was used by the Islanders to trade up to select Calvin De Haan in the 2009 draft and the third-round pick was 68th, which the Islanders traded down for picks No. 72 (Jyri Niemi) and No. 102 (David Ullstrom).

2008: This was an eventful year on the draft floor. The Islanders traded down again, sending the seventh pick (Colin Wilson) to the Nashville Predators in exchange for the ninth (Josh Bailey) and 40th picks (Aaron Ness).

2008: The Anaheim Ducks traded down from 12th, netting a haul: the No. 17 (Jake Gardiner) and No. 28 picks. The Ducks then traded down from No. 28, netting No. 35 (Nicolas Deschamps) and No. 39 (Eric O’Dell).

2008: Having paid a hefty price, the Kings traded down one spot from 12th (Tyler Myers) to 13th (Colton Teubert), in exchange for a 2009 third-round pick. L.A. traded down from that third-round pick to pick up a later fourth-round pick, No. 84 (Nic Deslauriers) and No. 107, which the Kings bundled with pick No. 158 in a trade with the Florida Panthers that returned a third-round pick in 2010. That 2010 third-rounder was later dealt by Los Angeles to the Tampa Bay Lightning with Teddy Purcell for deadline rental Jeff Halpern.

2008: The Predators traded down from No. 15 (Erik Karlsson) for No. 18 (Chet Pickard) and No. 70 (Taylor Beck).

2009: Minnesota Wild traded down from No. 12 (Calvin De Haan) with the Islanders, gathering picks No. 16 (Nick Leddy), No. 77 (Matt Hackett) and No. 182 (Erik Haula) in return.

2010 The Panthers traded down from No. 15 (Derek Forbort), the first-round pick they acquired from the Boston Bruins in the Nathan Horton trade, with the L.A. Kings for No. 19 (Nick Bjugstad) and No. 59. The Panthers subsequently traded down again from 59th, ultimately getting No. 69 (Joe Barsarba) and No. 99 (Joonas Donskoi) for that late second-round pick. It looks like the Panthers did well here, but you have to consider that Vladimir Tarasenko was picked 16th, the 59th pick Florida traded down from was used by the Minnesota Wild to select Jason Zucker and the Panthers didn’t sign Donskoi, who ultimately signed with the San Jose Sharks as a free agent and turned into a second-line-calibre forward.

2013: The Calgary Flames traded down from No. 14 (Zemgus Girgensons) to 21st (Mark Jankowski) and receiving the No. 42 pick (Patrick Sieloff). It must be noted here that between the 14th and 21st picks in the first round of the 2013 draft, the following players were selected: Scott Laughton, Andrei Vasilevskiy, Tomas Hertl, Tom Wilson and Teuvo Teravainen.

2016: The New Jersey Devils traded pick No. 11 (Logan Brown) to the Ottawa Senators, moving down one spot to 12th (Michael McLeod) and picking up an additional third-round pick, which was 80th (Brandon Gignac).

2019: The Philadelphia Flyers traded back from pick No. 11 (Victor Soderstrom) with the Arizona Coyotes, netting picks No. 14 (Cam York) and No. 45 (Egor Afanaysev).

So what have we learned?

If you look over those returns, you’ll spot a couple of basic trends in terms of pick valuation. Intuitively, it makes sense that the trade-down value of first-round picks diminishes sharply as the first round rolls along.

There are a few outliers, but generally speaking, if you’re moving out of the top five, as the Islanders did in 2008, you’re looking at a return of multiple mid-round picks. If you’re moving down 3-4 slots in the top half of the draft, you’re usually getting a second-round pick. Once you’re moving down from 15 into the late teens, however, it’s typically a third-round pick.

Meanwhile, the return is often also based in large part on how much a team is moving down. This too makes intuitive sense.

Moving down one slot in the top half of the first round tends to net teams a third-round pick. The Flames mined a second-round pick when they took an ill-advised seven-pick dip down the first round in 2012.

The other thing that’s worth noting is that, for the most part, the teams that traded down from the top half of the first round over the past 15 years would’ve been better off just making the selection rather than trading down. There are really only two or three examples (Islanders and Ducks in 2008, Wild in 2009) in which the team trading down did better than it would’ve had it just picked the player whom a rival team was willing to spend assets to move up and get.

Considering the way that widespread prospect graduation and a series of win-now trades during 2019-20 have eaten away at the depth of Canucks’ talent pipeline, it’s tempting to imagine that the club might potentially move a couple of rungs down the draft order in 2021 and add an additional second-round pick in the process.

Clearly, Vancouver could use whatever additional draft ammunition it can find.

Recent NHL history suggests, however, that in the top 15 of the draft, a good rule of thumb is to just keep the pick and take the best player available.

Here you go Ruby/anyone else who wants to read.... Drance compiled trade scenarios around draft picks (historical and hypothetical), here's the section on trading down. Basically, it's more likely to backfire than work:
- NewYorkNuck

9 players, 9th pick. There won't be any trading down.

9 players, 9th pick. There won't be any trading down.
- manvanfan

Fits like a glove



I don't think they'll trade down. I could see Benning trading the pick for someone like Reinhart, though.

meh it is what it is.
- A_SteamingLombardi

If you wanna play at GM drafting

https://nhlentrydraft.com/mock-draft/

Wow...did not see Montreal in da turd round. Leafs must be crying #couldashouldawoulda
- LeftCoaster

Remember Bieksa at the start of the year in one of the first HNIC broadcasts said the Habs are the only CDN club actually built for the playoffs and look out for Carey Price if they make it. Good call Juice lol

Pretty brutal of fans to wonder why we didn't keep a good player......
- golfingsince

I could care less about Tanev/Marky but I actually wanted to keep TT and roll the dice here. But my fear was Green would never use him properly as we saw late last season and in PO's. I'm actually happy for the guy and to see the Habs doing well. Price probably realizes this is his last chance. Now they are playing one of gary's teams and will not only have to battle on the ice but battle the refs as well. This will be fun to watch. It would be so nice to see a CDN team break through while that little pr!ck is still in charge.

Here you go Ruby/anyone else who wants to read.... Drance compiled trade scenarios around draft picks (historical and hypothetical), here's the section on trading down. Basically, it's more likely to backfire than work:
- NewYorkNuck

That’s some good info 👍

A team minus its number one center struggles. But in here that’s considered a bad excuse lol
- Nucker101

lol so true.

Fits like a glove



I don't think they'll trade down. I could see Benning trading the pick for someone like Reinhart, though.
- NewYorkNuck

Yep.

9 players, 9th pick. There won't be any trading down.
- manvanfan

https://www.hockeydb.com/...s/pdisplay.php?pid=228217

Thoughts?

https://canucksarmy.com/2...cks-not-trade-seth-jones/

FINALLY! Pfizer.

https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=228217
- LordHumungous

Trying to win while giving up 5 goals nightly isnt my idea.