I'm referring more to him becoming a contributer on the same level as Suzuki has so far.
- david22

I mean, is that even good enough? Stone > Patches all day long.

I mean, is that even good enough? Stone > Patches all day long.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

i think people just need to accept that we lost that trade.

Branny will never be as valuable as Stone and i think if fans try to compare the two they'll never appreciate the good aspects of Branny's game and will only criticize him for not being Stone. he's going to be a really solid 2nd pairing offensive dman who can contribute on the PP. he will help this team moving forward. people need to focus on that and stop comparing him to stone.

Speculation that Buffalo will wind up with two top 10 picks this draft.

Anyone think Dorion makes a play for Reinhart ? I like Reinhart as a player, and think he gets a bad rap, but not sure if its what Ottawa should do.

Although he is still rather young. And a Center / RW. It would help give Stutzle someone to play with.

i think people just need to accept that we lost that trade.

Branny will never be as valuable as Stone and i think if fans try to compare the two they'll never appreciate the good aspects of Branny's game and will only criticize him for not being Stone. he's going to be a really solid 2nd pairing offensive dman who can contribute on the PP. he will help this team moving forward. people need to focus on that and stop comparing him to stone.
- sensarmy_11

I think accepting the trade is one thing, but learning from the past and not making similar deals is the key

With Joe Sakic, he really needed to make good on the Matt Duchene trade because of what they got for O'Rielly. That's exactly how Dorian needs to approach things. Loosing trades and not developing Logan Brown or having strength down the middle are things fans can't just move forward through . I get your point on not focusing on Stone

I think accepting the trade is one thing, but learning from the past and not making similar deals is the key

With Joe Sakic, he really needed to make good on the Matt Duchene trade because of what they got for O'Rielly. That's exactly how Dorian needs to approach things. Loosing trades and not developing Logan Brown or having strength down the middle are things fans can't just move forward through . I get your point on not focusing on Stone
- AlfieisKing

sure....but continually comparing Branny's success to Stone's success isn't "learning from the past" it's absolutely "not getting over the trade".

Comparing Branny to Stone puts unnecessary pressure on Branny, opens him up to undeserved criticism, and likely hurts his development and performance.....it's completely counter productive.

i'm not really sure how you "learn from it" though.....next time you trade a player of Mark Stone's caliber, get a better return? GMs try to maximize returns on every trade.....the fact that other GMs weren't willing to offer more for Mark Stone is honestly as much of a testament of how underrated Stone was, and how dumb lots of other GMs are, as much as it was a bad move by PD

Speculation that Buffalo will wind up with two top 10 picks this draft.

Anyone think Dorion makes a play for Reinhart ? I like Reinhart as a player, and think he gets a bad rap, but not sure if its what Ottawa should do.

Although he is still rather young. And a Center / RW. It would help give Stutzle someone to play with.
- david22

I would, without hesitation, give up the #10 pick and more to get Reinhart...he would EASILY be the best center on this team, he's still young, and his contract wouldn't be THAT huge.

I would, without hesitation, give up the #10 pick and more to get Reinhart...he would EASILY be the best center on this team, he's still young, and his contract wouldn't be THAT huge.
- sensarmy_11

Is he a Center or a RW naturally? I recall he's done both in Buffalo. Either way having play with Stutzle would be great.

Interesting times Buffalo this offseason. I wonder what direction Columbus is going in, as its rumored they have interest in Eichel, and have lots of picks that could be used in a trade there.

Is he a Center or a RW naturally? I recall he's done both in Buffalo. Either way having play with Stutzle would be great.

Interesting times Buffalo this offseason. I wonder what direction Columbus is going in, as its rumored they have interest in Eichel, and have lots of picks that could be used in a trade there.
- david22

he's a natural center......think he played RW when Buf had RoR and Eichel, other than that he's been C

he's a natural center......think he played RW when Buf had RoR and Eichel, other than that he's been C
- sensarmy_11

Reinhart can play C/W, but he's more of a winger... as virtually everyone is who gets labelled a C/W. He's a natural RH shot, though, which makes him well suited to RW, where they could definitely be stronger. The problem with playing him at C is that he's a catastrophe in the faceoff circle... so they'd 100% need a strong faceoff winger like Paul on the other wing to compensate, or just leave him at RW.

Is Reinhart worth the #10 overall pick? Depends how you look at it. He's settled into a 25G-65Pts type range, is an RFA that was already making $5.2M, and needs a new deal. If he would sign a multi-year deal into UFA years at something around $6.0M AAV, it might be worth it. And if you think he can really play the #1C role, then sure. But if it's just like a 2yr deal to get him to UFA status, then I'm not sure I make that trade.

Reinhart can play C/W, but he's more of a winger... as virtually everyone is who gets labelled a C/W. He's a natural RH shot, though, which makes him well suited to RW, where they could definitely be stronger. The problem with playing him at C is that he's a catastrophe in the faceoff circle... so they'd 100% need a strong faceoff winger like Paul on the other wing to compensate, or just leave him at RW.

Is Reinhart worth the #10 overall pick? Depends how you look at it. He's settled into a 25G-65Pts type range, is an RFA that was already making $5.2M, and needs a new deal. If he would sign a multi-year deal into UFA years at something around $6.0M AAV, it might be worth it. And if you think he can really play the #1C role, then sure. But if it's just like a 2yr deal to get him to UFA status, then I'm not sure I make that trade.
- khawk

Tkachuk Norris Batherson
Stutzle Pinto Reinhart

Tkachuk Norris Batherson
Stutzle Pinto Reinhart
- david22

Or...

Tkachuk-Norris-Batherson
Stutzle-Reinhart-Paul
Formenton-Pinto-Brown

The problem is, you're basically throwing Dadonov and White out of the picture. Not sure they're going to do that, while paying them nearly $10.0M/yr combined

Or...

Tkachuk-Norris-Batherson
Stutzle-Reinhart-Paul
Formenton-Pinto-Brown

The problem is, you're basically throwing Dadonov and White out of the picture. Not sure they're going to do that, while paying them nearly $10.0M/yr combined
- khawk

Tkachuk - Norris - Bath
Stu - Reinhart - Daddy
Paul - Pinto - Brown
Form - White - Watson
Tierney (traded or taken by Sea)

Stu - Reinhart - Daddy
- sensarmy_11

That would have to be the most sheltered scoring line in the NHL, in terms of things like managing offensive-zone starts, etc. I know you're all excited about Reinhart as a C, but the limiting factor of playing C in the NHL is about defensive responsibilities and handling the faceoff duties. Reinhart is NOT good enough to do it alone.

That would have to be the most sheltered scoring line in the NHL, in terms of things like managing offensive-zone starts, etc. I know you're all excited about Reinhart as a C, but the limiting factor of playing C in the NHL is about defensive responsibilities and handling the faceoff duties. Reinhart is NOT good enough to do it alone.
- khawk

not every line has to be a 2-way, defensively responsible line........that's what the 3rd and 4th, and to a lesser extent, the 1st line would be for. nothing wrong with a line that starts 70% of it's shifts in the O zone and is just there to produce points.

or, you swap norris and reinhart.

reinhart on a line with Tkachuk (who's decent at draws), and then you have a more defensively reliable center in Norris playing with Stu and Bath

not every line has to be a 2-way, defensively responsible line........that's what the 3rd and 4th, and to a lesser extent, the 1st line would be for. nothing wrong with a line that starts 70% of it's shifts in the O zone and is just there to produce points.
- sensarmy_11

I get that, but you're still being forced to line people up based on Reinhart's limitations. It gets back to the question of whether you want to build-in that kind of defect into your scoring line structure, in addition to giving up over $6M/yr plus a 10th overall pick to acquire him. Not to mention that you're trying to pick him up after a career-high year in goals. By comparison, they might be able to buy low more effectively on a guy like Monahan, who's also significantly outproduced Reinhart for most of his career.

I get that, but you're still being forced to line people up based on Reinhart's limitations. It gets back to the question of whether you want to build-in that kind of defect into your scoring line structure, in addition to giving up over $6M/yr plus a 10th overall pick to acquire him. Not to mention that you're trying to pick him up after a career-high year in goals. By comparison, they might be able to buy low more effectively on a guy like Monahan, who's also significantly outproduced Reinhart for most of his career.
- khawk

Monahan's production has dropped off a cliff the last couple of years.....that's incredibly concerning.

Monahan's production has dropped off a cliff the last couple of years.....that's incredibly concerning.
- sensarmy_11

It's also the entire idea of buying low... there's innate risk in that. That said, if they're going to start giving up major assets like a #10 overall pick, then I don't want to see it given away to bring in a stopgap who only "kind-of" matches the positional need. Plus, what happened to the idea of Stutzle being played at C? If that idea is still in their plans, then I'd really prefer to see them move in that direction. The idea isn't to just win a few more games next year... the idea is to have their best players making maximum contributions in 2-3 years time, when they have the full concurrent benefit of all of their best young talent (including Sanderson, Greig, etc.).

Apparently Anaheim ready to retain 50% on Henrique. Henrique at 50% I m all for this

Apparently Anaheim ready to retain 50% on Henrique. Henrique at 50% I m all for this
- Crosside

Disagree, not at 4 more years.

Disagree, not at 4 more years.
- david22

It would be 3 more years, with a $2.9M cap hit if Anaheim retained 50%. I'd consider that deal, but would depend heavily on the price. Henrique at least is a legitimate C, who can play in multiple game situations, and is strong in faceoffs.

OTT out on Eichel (duh) but serious talk between Dorion and Adams for Reinhart, Buff wants OTT 10 OA, Dorion wants to keep it and send a 2022 protected 1st instead, Greig/Jarventie offered also, Adams to pick the one he wants + a 3rd asset yet unknown

OTT out on Eichel (duh) but serious talk between Dorion and Adams for Reinhart, Buff wants OTT 10 OA, Dorion wants to keep it and send a 2022 protected 1st instead, Greig/Jarventie offered also, Adams to pick the one he wants + a 3rd asset yet unknown
- Mithos

Hope Reinhart come with a extension in place because a big price

Love JGP.

Makes me feel good to know that most Sens fans are cheering for him.
- spatso

As a Dev's fan, they are my adopted playoff team as well. Would love to see Greene/Zajac/Palms hoist a cup, and Lou and Trotz are some of the best brains in the game.

OTT out on Eichel (duh) but serious talk between Dorion and Adams for Reinhart, Buff wants OTT 10 OA, Dorion wants to keep it and send a 2022 protected 1st instead, Greig/Jarventie offered also, Adams to pick the one he wants + a 3rd asset yet unknown
- Mithos

I've said it before... if they're considering anything like that kind of an offer, Reinhart better be signed to a serious multi-year extension, where's he's now considered a part of the offensive core going forward... 2yrs of Reinhart isn't worth it.

I was thinking about this the other day.

I think bringing in Nick Foligno back to Ottawa is a great idea.

He could be had very cheap and for nothing going out.
He has a good history here, tons of grit and leadership and if basically the perfect vet to help our young guys develop and still contribute.

thoughts?