Don't care.
- manvanfan

Well I’m certainly not going to do it. I mention it because it would cement guys like Harry Neale in the Canucks ring of honor.

738 games for Trev. That is solid drafting outside of the first round. Basically all from 5 players as well.

That's how you build and maintain hockey clubs.
- manvanfan

Yes I missed Rassmus Andersson, thought he was a first rounder.

Who you going for for the cup?

I want VGK or the Bruins
- VANTEL

Montreal or Islanders

738 games for Trev. That is solid drafting outside of the first round. Basically all from 5 players as well.

That's how you build and maintain hockey clubs.
- manvanfan

Or he’s treading water with a meh team that gets meh results.

One word....mediocrity 😂

Montreal or Islanders
- Makita

NYI yeah baby lol

Montreal or Islanders
- Makita

Won't hold it against you


I am leaning for VGK

I get what he was saying, my point was, you’re clearly going to have a better chance of kids reaching the 200+ game mark if you’re drafting higher in the first and second rounds or you’re drafting multiple times in those rounds. The Canucks were pretty competitive from 2006 to 2013, on top of having a poor drafting GM/organization. Things that he didn’t touch on.

Still, you must be able to draft well in all rounds to ice a competitive team, not only the first round, see Edmonton and Vancouver for details.
- Pacificgem

I don't think it matters nearly as much as you think and I would guess he probably has seen the data and thought the same thing or he could have mentioned it.

As I said Det made the playoffs in everyone of those seasons. The highest they drafted was 15th and well they poop kicked the Canucks during that time. Canucks drafted 14th, 9th, 10th, 6th.

Yes I missed Rassmus Andersson, thought he was a first rounder.
- Pacificgem

You suck at this.

Or he’s treading water with a meh team that gets meh results.

One word....mediocrity 😂
- Nighthawk

200 games is probably the lowest standard bar of measure of a teams drafting capabilities. After that it becomes much more complicated in how those players produce in those games.

200 games is probably the lowest standard bar of measure of a teams drafting capabilities. After that it becomes much more complicated in how those players produce in those games.
- manvanfan

Ever wonder how many prospects ruined due to being drafted so young or mired in other leagues or NHL coaches coaching to win or unable to teach or simply ego in the way? Add to that GM’s signing players & blocking opportunity.

Excuses are not as fun as using facts to pinpoint management's blunders and mistakes

Also, weren't you just complaining about a certain other group "piling on". I swear that was you
- Codes1087

Please excuse my single prior post. By all means continue "pinpointing" the mistakes everyone knows; even JB admitted to in hindsight.

As for the facts, such as schedule and injury/health let's just leave them in the excuse bin. Its the same playing field for all winning teams, right? Though, funny how the fine line of competitive edge is disregarded as results are no excuse, right?

Bottom line, many factors contributed to Canuck poor performance. It wasn't just the excuses or mistakes. So don't write off next season just yet. Maybe, let the facts unfold this off season to gage better.

Demko 72
Tryamkin 79
Forslings 165
Brisebois 9
Gaudette 160
Lockwood 2
Lind 7
Gadjovich 1
Dipietro 2
Rathbone 8

Grand total of 505.
- manvanfan

That’s a little more accurate!
Lind, gads, Lockwood and rathbone are literally all just developed enough to be cracking the lineup and he’s talking about we haven’t drafted well after round 1. Seems like we mistly agree draft and development is the key, but it does take time. Next year is going to be a young and fast team with around 15 guys drafted and/or developed by this management group. His ufa moves have been bad, but the drafting has been the best we’ve ever had imo.

That’s a little more accurate!
Lind, gads, Lockwood and rathbone are literally all just developed enough to be cracking the lineup and he’s talking about we haven’t drafted well after round 1. Seems like we mistly agree draft and development is the key, but it does take time. Next year is going to be a young and fast team with around 15 guys drafted and/or developed by this management group. His ufa moves have been bad, but the drafting has been the best we’ve ever had imo.
- neem55

15? Think that's a bit high there. Which are the 15 you think will be on the team they drafted/developed?

That’s a little more accurate!
Lind, gads, Lockwood and rathbone are literally all just developed enough to be cracking the lineup and he’s talking about we haven’t drafted well after round 1. Seems like we mistly agree draft and development is the key, but it does take time. Next year is going to be a young and fast team with around 15 guys drafted and/or developed by this management group. His ufa moves have been bad, but the drafting has been the best we’ve ever had imo.
- neem55

Some of the prospects really need to take another step forward to stop JB from signing free agents unfortunately.

I want the prospects to take a step forward but if Lind, Lockwood have to spend another season in Abbotsford and dominate with the occasional call up, that's fine.

I think you could see maybe 9 or 10 drafted players in the line up from the JB era. Which is still pretty good.

Some of the prospects really need to take another step forward to stop JB from signing free agents unfortunately.

I want the prospects to take a step forward but if Lind, Lockwood have to spend another season in Abbotsford and dominate with the occasional call up, that's fine.

I think you could see maybe 9 or 10 drafted players in the line up from the JB era. Which is still pretty good.
- manvanfan

Ya, this sort of circles back into the idea that maybe JB isn't as great a drafter as we all give him credit for. You'd want the second/third rounders to be supplementing the bottom of the lineup right now... but they're not.

Petey, Boes, Bo, Podkolzin, Hughes, OJ all locks for the team, but are 1st rounders.
Hoglander, Rathbone, Demko are locks, and are non-1st rounders.

Lind, Gadj, Lockwood Chatfield, Brisebois... these are the types of guys that need to be pushing up the team, but they're in that bubble area and are getting close to being pushed aside/aging out of contracts

Ya, this sort of circles back into the idea that maybe JB isn't as great a drafter as we all give him credit for. You'd want the second/third rounders to be supplementing the bottom of the lineup right now... but they're not.

Petey, Boes, Bo, Podkolzin, Hughes, OJ all locks for the team, but are 1st rounders.
Hoglander, Rathbone, Demko are locks, and are non-1st rounders.

Lind, Gadj, Lockwood Chatfield, Brisebois... these are the types of guys that need to be pushing up the team, but they're in that bubble area and are getting close to being pushed aside/aging out of contracts
- NewYorkNuck

I wouldn't mind seeing Benning try dip into the CHL free agent market a bit more as well. The team needs to get some more bodies for the farm team, so why not take a gamble on some of those kids, like they did with MacEwen, Chatfield, MacEneny etc.
A big defender like Montana Onyebuchi might be worth a shot and if he is only AHL material, oh well.
They can't, or shouldn't be wasting picks on players like Abols or Gunnarson etc, the same as not using a pick on someone like Manyukan.
Be realistic about the pick, can the player eventually be in the organization, whether it be only on the farm, or can the player possibly fill a hole in the main lineup.

Ya, this sort of circles back into the idea that maybe JB isn't as great a drafter as we all give him credit for. You'd want the second/third rounders to be supplementing the bottom of the lineup right now... but they're not.

Petey, Boes, Bo, Podkolzin, Hughes, OJ all locks for the team, but are 1st rounders.
Hoglander, Rathbone, Demko are locks, and are non-1st rounders.

Lind, Gadj, Lockwood Chatfield, Brisebois... these are the types of guys that need to be pushing up the team, but they're in that bubble area and are getting close to being pushed aside/aging out of contracts
- NewYorkNuck

Good morning from the left coast. Just thought I'd chime in again on this, if that's ok. I think the Canucks, under Jim Benning, biggest issues with the draft isn't whether or not Jim's a good drafter or not, it's that they didn't utilize the draft to the best of their abilities.

Essentially they just didn't have enough draft picks because they were continually trying to circumvent the building process. The 2014 draft was excellent, JB got excellent value out of that draft and he was new on the job, so I don't know how much of it was him or the guys already in place?

The 2015 draft was a very deep draft, lots of kids in the first round from top to bottom have made a name for themselves in the NHL. From 15 to 30 there's 9 kids who've played 200 or more NHL games, that's really good. No second round pick for the Canucks though, that's the kind of thing that's currently hurting them, not enough picks.

The 2016 draft was a complete whiff, just a terrible draft for an organization that finished second last in the league. Completely mismanaged the draft by picking the wrong player and not having enough picks when you're a terrible team. That's inexcusable!

From 2017 onwards those kids are still in the picture, they may yet show value, but time is running out. 18-19-20.....still too early to tell.

Good morning from the left coast. Just thought I'd chime in again on this, if that's ok. I think the Canucks, under Jim Benning, biggest issues with the draft isn't whether or not Jim's a good drafter or not, it's that they didn't utilize the draft to the best of their abilities.

Essentially they just didn't have enough draft picks because they were continually trying to circumvent the building process. The 2014 draft was excellent, JB got excellent value out of that draft and he was new on the job, so I don't know how much of it was him or the guys already in place?

The 2015 draft was a very deep draft, lots of kids in the first round from top to bottom have made a name for themselves in the NHL. From 15 to 30 there's 9 kids who've played 200 or more NHL games, that's really good. No second round pick for the Canucks though, that's the kind of thing that's currently hurting them, not enough picks.

The 2016 draft was a complete whiff, just a terrible draft for an organization that finished second last in the league. Completely mismanaged the draft by picking the wrong player and not having enough picks when you're a terrible team. That's inexcusable!

From 2017 onwards those kids are still in the picture, they may yet show value, but time is running out. 18-19-20.....still too early to tell.
- Pacificgem

Can we put it to a vote?

Can we put it to a vote?
- Reubenkincade

Yes, but this isn't a democracy, it's a communist state run by Makita and the powers above him, so, your vote would probably be "all-for-not"

Yes, but this isn't a democracy, it's a communist state run by Makita and the powers above him, so, your vote would probably be "all-for-not"
- Pacificgem

Who you like at #9?

Can we put it to a vote?
- Reubenkincade

Yeah, I know where my vote would go. Love how everyone is an expert, this is what should have been done,

So Avs are going down, and sorry to tell you so are the Bruins.

Yes, but this isn't a democracy, it's a communist state run by Makita and the powers above him, so, your vote would probably be "all-for-not"
- Pacificgem

👋

Who you like at #9?
- Reubenkincade

I don't follow the prospects well enough to give an informed opinion, however, I will say this, it's really hard to find a top pairing defenseman so I put high value on a kid that has that potential. That'd be my first priority as a franchise.

Secondly, I'd take the best center available, depth at center is an absolute must if you want to be good.

Who you like at #9?
- Reubenkincade

Does it matter, Jim is terrible at drafting

I don't follow the prospects well enough to give an informed opinion, however, I will say this, it's really hard to find a top pairing defenseman so I put high value on a kid that has that potential. That'd be my first priority as a franchise.

Secondly, I'd take the best center available, depth at center is an absolute must if you want to be good.
- Pacificgem

I was going to say Logan Stanley