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- Makita

Ya, this sort of circles back into the idea that maybe JB isn't as great a drafter as we all give him credit for. You'd want the second/third rounders to be supplementing the bottom of the lineup right now... but they're not.

Petey, Boes, Bo, Podkolzin, Hughes, OJ all locks for the team, but are 1st rounders.
Hoglander, Rathbone, Demko are locks, and are non-1st rounders.

Lind, Gadj, Lockwood Chatfield, Brisebois... these are the types of guys that need to be pushing up the team, but they're in that bubble area and are getting close to being pushed aside/aging out of contracts
- NewYorkNuck

I have tried to understand like where you are trying to come from here to think that JB hasn't done a pretty decent job of drafting so far.

It's not the drafting part that JB sucks at, it's the trading.

I guess if you just drafted and never traded you would see the expectation you are looking for.

2 players per draft. 1 first round pick, 1 later round pick is the expectation out of a draft. To get to 200 games, it takes most players 6 or 7 years after being drafted.

The 14 draft is really the only eliminated draft that you know what you are getting from that draft.

- Pacificgem

I was going to say Logan Stanley
- VANTEL

Winnipeg groomed him well, he looked good in the playoffs. After drafting 2nd overall (Laine) they took Stanley at #18, I'm assuming as a big stay at home defenseman that's required in todays game. He was coming off a 17 point season in 64 games, I don't think they took him for his offensive dynamics.

Yeah, I know where my vote would go. Love how everyone is an expert, this is what should have been done,

So Avs are going down, and sorry to tell you so are the Bruins.
- Makita

Av'sVegas has been fun to watch. It does appear that the Av's defense, although very nice, might be getting outmatched a bit, by the stronger forwards on the Knights.
The Bruins will be bouncing back against the New York Saints.

The wings making the playoffs 22+ years in a row or whatever the stat is, is absolutely insane. Up until recently, they were one of my favorite teams. Could not help but respect them.
- Codes1087

Holland

Does it matter, Jim is terrible at drafting
- Makita

True.

Does it matter, Jim is terrible at drafting
- Makita

Winnipeg groomed him well, he looked good in the playoffs. After drafting 2nd overall (Laine) they took Stanley at #18, I'm assuming, as a big stay at home defenseman that's required in todays game. He was coming off a 17 point season in 64 games, I don't think they took him for his offensive dynamics.
- Pacificgem

He was a guy I liked but knew we would not get because of ranking. That year I say we screwed the pooch in drafting . I would be okay using this pick to see if Winnipeg could be interested. I imagine we would have to add something else.

Av'sVegas has been fun to watch. It does appear that the Av's defense, although very nice, might be getting outmatched a bit, by the stronger forwards on the Knights.
The Bruins will be bouncing back against the New York Saints.
- Reubenkincade

Did you see the Knights defensive posture? They trap it up hard, 1-2-2 setup all the time, but they can turn the offence on quickly when the other team turns it over. Very opportunistic team. Personally I don't like how they play, but it certainly works for them.

Av'sVegas has been fun to watch. It does appear that the Av's defense, although very nice, might be getting outmatched a bit, by the stronger forwards on the Knights.
The Bruins will be bouncing back against the New York Saints.
- Reubenkincade

Softest team in the league.

He was a guy I liked but knew we would not get because of ranking. That year I say we screwed the pooch in drafting . I would be okay using this pick to see if Winnipeg could be interested. I imagine we would have to add something else.
- VANTEL

What exactly are you implying here?

I have tried to understand like where you are trying to come from here to think that JB hasn't done a pretty decent job of drafting so far.

It's not the drafting part that JB sucks at, it's the trading.

I guess if you just drafted and never traded you would see the expectation you are looking for.

2 players per draft. 1 first round pick, 1 later round pick is the expectation out of a draft. To get to 200 games, it takes most players 6 or 7 years after being drafted.

The 14 draft is really the only eliminated draft that you know what you are getting from that draft.
- manvanfan

It's one of the only things he has done exceptionally well!!

Did you see the Knights defensive posture? They trap it up hard, 1-2-2 setup all the time, but they can turn the offence on quickly when the other team turns it over. Very opportunistic team. Personally I don't like how they play, but it certainly works for them.
- Pacificgem

That team plays to its strengths. I am not a fan of Vegas, but it has been a pretty successful organization, so far.

Softest team in the league.
- manvanfan

I wouldn't say they are the softest, but they definitely need to address that situation, similar to what the Lightning had to do a couple years ago.

I have tried to understand like where you are trying to come from here to think that JB hasn't done a pretty decent job of drafting so far.

It's not the drafting part that JB sucks at, it's the trading.

I guess if you just drafted and never traded you would see the expectation you are looking for.

2 players per draft. 1 first round pick, 1 later round pick is the expectation out of a draft. To get to 200 games, it takes most players 6 or 7 years after being drafted.

The 14 draft is really the only eliminated draft that you know what you are getting from that draft.
- manvanfan

I'm not saying he hasn't done a pretty decent job – he has. Just that him as a "drafting guru" might be a bit extreme and be an overreaction to the poor drafting under Gillis.

As you said, 2 players out of a draft is the expectation. Is Jim exceeding expectations (and by how much), or meeting them (average)?

That's all I'm questioning. Like PacG said, he's also shot himself in the foot a whole bunch for being a "drafting" GM by trading away picks to shortcut a rebuild.

Also not neccessarily setting a 200 game bar. If Lind or Gadj showed to be a solid fixture in the bottom 6, then that's dandy. But they didn't look like they belonged at the end of last year, not like Rathbone.

Does it matter, Jim is terrible at drafting
- Makita

Is this in response to me?

Just married @ 19 yrs old . I hope his decision making is better on the ice


Edit: Meaning 19 is a crazy age to marry.

It's one of the only things he has done exceptionally well!!


- LordHumungous

Yeah, now he just needs to not trade them to try and expedite things.

This club would have been so much better with mccann and forsling.

I wouldn't say they are the softest, but they definitely need to address that situation, similar to what the Lightning had to do a couple years ago.
- Reubenkincade

The Canucks are a much softer team than the Avs. Toronto too.

I wouldn't say they are the softest, but they definitely need to address that situation, similar to what the Lightning had to do a couple years ago.
- Reubenkincade

Pretty much. Goodrow and Coleman are both free agents this summer too.

Pretty much. Goodrow and Coleman are both free agents this summer too.
- manvanfan

Goodrow would be a great addition I think. I like how he plays.

Goodrow would be a great addition I think. I like how he plays.
- Codes1087

No cap space.

Goodrow would be a great addition I think. I like how he plays.
- Codes1087

Isn't adding Goodrow going to be like what we did with Roussel? He cost 900 K this year but lots of teams will be wanting him and it will probably be at 2.5 mil plus for 4 years?

I'm not saying he hasn't done a pretty decent job – he has. Just that him as a "drafting guru" might be a bit extreme and be an overreaction to the poor drafting under Gillis.

As you said, 2 players out of a draft is the expectation. Is Jim exceeding expectations (and by how much), or meeting them (average)?

That's all I'm questioning. Like PacG said, he's also shot himself in the foot a whole bunch for being a "drafting" GM by trading away picks to shortcut a rebuild.

Also not neccessarily setting a 200 game bar. If Lind or Gadj showed to be a solid fixture in the bottom 6, then that's dandy. But they didn't look like they belonged at the end of last year, not like Rathbone.
- NewYorkNuck

An extreme reaction from the Canucks fan base...... whhhhattt.

I don't think any GM gets to "exceed expectations" in drafting. Some are better than others for sure but the margin between them I don't think is ever too vast.

So far during Jim's draft tenure, I would put him in the top 10 so far.

It could be viewed differently if he was better at other parts of his job.

For me only drafted this is fully eliminated now is the 14 draft. 15 draft still has Jasek and Zhukenov who could take another step that would put them into a bottom 6 role.