So to be clear, you are saying Sam Reinhardt is NOT a 60 pt player?

It’s blown up because everyone is calling BS on the underwhelming trade proposal and your lack of understanding what constitutes player production.

Someone brought up a good point. What would Detroit take for Larkin? Be reasonable, no BS just facts, what would it take for him, a player with similar production? Are you going to ship him out for a 2nd and a soured on prospect, what some blogger has referred to as accolades?

Funny, you want Sam Reinhardt. You know he’s really really good, top line good. But you want to pay a 3rd line price. Everyone who knows Sam Reinhardt knows he’s one of the most underrated, consistent forwards playing the game, and your package is very undersized.
- halo63

The fact you refer to Berggren as a soured on prospect just shows you know nothing about the Wings prospects. I already said personally i have higher hopes for Berggren than i do for Raymond. As far as i know, nobody is sour on Berggren and quite happy he will be coming over for next season. Personally i have him in the top 5 Wings prospects and i know for a fact that there are plenty of other Wings fans that have him in their top 5 (a bunch of posters on another site did their prospect rankings and in every single one Berggren was in the top 5).

For someone who thinks he knows so much about Sam Reinhart, you would think you would at least know how to spell his last name properly

It’s funny reading this stuff from people. Even the Sabres fans. It’ll always be “we want elite player X for dollar tree type value going back!” But when it involves their players it “my dollar tree valued player Y is worth Rolex type value! The thing is Eichel is and is considered elite by scouts, teams, media (unbiased) so your going to pay a premium! He’s a franchise center not many teams really have! It’s going to cost. As far as his contract is, we’ll if he was your franchise center and he was due for the contract your going to pay the same amount anyway so saying the cost of his contract brings the trade value down is just jibberish. Now for Reinhart, whom is a top 6 forward, top 2 winger (center for 2nd line, either wing on top line) is going to cost a lot too. His versatility is of value and that he’s an RFA also helps also. So to not include a first round pick for someone like him would have to include a top prospect. Because at the end of the day your acquiring something already known to be for payment of something that is what it is, prospects. Meaning unknown what your going to get. I’m a Sabres fan myself, may seem biased, but it’s really not that hard to figure out. Reinhart would actually look good with the wheel on his chest (I’m a fan of Detroit as well) but by all accounts he wants to play closer to his family. Being from Vancouver the thought is there but I got a sneaky suspicion Seattle could make sense for him as well as a face of their franchise too!
- firelarry

No team is going to pay a premium for Eichel unless they know he can come back from that injury/surgery and play at the same level he did before...especially at that salary. Those things (along with the fact he wants out) do factor into what teams might be willing to offer up. Buffalo is better off keeping Eichel until he can play next season and prove he is still a top player and worth a premium package.

The fact you refer to Berggren as a soured on prospect just shows you know nothing about the Wings prospects. I already said personally i have higher hopes for Berggren than i do for Raymond. As far as i know, nobody is sour on Berggren and quite happy he will be coming over for next season. Personally i have him in the top 5 Wings prospects and i know for a fact that there are plenty of other Wings fans that have him in their top 5 (a bunch of posters on another site did their prospect rankings and in every single one Berggren was in the top 5).

For someone who thinks he knows so much about Sam Reinhart, you would think you would at least know how to spell his last name properly

- dcz28

Berggren is a nice prospect. I hope he keeps improving and becomes an impact NHL player. Maybe he develops into someone like Nyquist or Tatar, but also a chance he's another Jurco or Pulkkinen. So there is zero chance Buffalo trades a known commodity in Reinhart for a question mark in Berggren and a 2nd round pick. What happens in 2 or 3 years if Berggren is a bust and they miss on a 2nd round pick. You literally have nothing to show for Reinhart.

This is why I laughed at the idea. Teams don't trade Reinhart for an offer like that. Just like we would never trade Larkin or Bertuzzi for a similar package. Look what it took to get Mantha!

Now if you offer a 1st instead of a 2nd, then the probability of finding talent with that pick goes up. Or if instead of Berggren you're talking about a young player already on the roster (Hronek, Bertuzzi, etc...) then it's more realistic.

Really sorry for all the hurt feelings here. But when I see an unrealistic or lopsided trade I call it like I see it. If some Sabres fan looks at Bertuzzi (also RFA) and says, well how about a 2nd round pick and a prospect, not one of our top 3 prospects, but a former 2nd round pick who is undersized, but had a good year and looks promising. I'd laugh at that too. I'm not letting Bertuzzi go for that.

Berggren is a nice prospect. I hope he keeps improving and becomes an impact NHL player. Maybe he develops into someone like Nyquist or Tatar, but also a chance he's another Jurco or Pulkkinen. So there is zero chance Buffalo trades a known commodity in Reinhart for a question mark in Berggren and a 2nd round pick. What happens in 2 or 3 years if Berggren is a bust and they miss on a 2nd round pick. You literally have nothing to show for Reinhart.

This is why I laughed at the idea. Teams don't trade Reinhart for an offer like that. Just like we would never trade Larkin or Bertuzzi for a similar package. Look what it took to get Mantha!

Now if you offer a 1st instead of a 2nd, then the probability of finding talent with that pick goes up. Or if instead of Berggren you're talking about a young player already on the roster (Hronek, Bertuzzi, etc...) then it's more realistic.

Really sorry for all the hurt feelings here. But when I see an unrealistic or lopsided trade I call it like I see it. If some Sabres fan looks at Bertuzzi (also RFA) and says, well how about a 2nd round pick and a prospect, not one of our top 3 prospects, but a former 2nd round pick who is undersized, but had a good year and looks promising. I'd laugh at that too. I'm not letting Bertuzzi go for that.
- Kooleus

Dude give it up. He’s a 2nd line winger who will get a solid prospect and a 1st from a contending team. He’s not as good as you think he is.

To the ones attacking Jeremy, sodd off! He is a quality blogger, who puts his all into covering the Wings on a daily basis, while dealing with his own life and its ups and downs. Here's an idea for the next time you feel the need to crap on someone, close the browser and carry on with your existence. If you can't find a way to do that, well then your spare parts bud!!!

From memory, the recent superstars like Eichel that got traded at around the same age as Eichel are Seguin and Thornton a few years before.

Both players went for far less than people expected and they weren't demanding out or didn't have a serious injury at the time of the trades.

I think Eichel will be traded for far less than people think.

From memory, the recent superstars like Eichel that got traded at around the same age as Eichel are Seguin and Thornton a few years before.

Both players went for far less than people expected and they weren't demanding out or didn't have a serious injury at the time of the trades.

I think Eichel will be traded for far less than people think.
- porkchops1977

Hasn't demanded out, unless something changed. And I am not expecting a boatload, but still think if he's traded he will fetch a 1st, top prospect a decent roster player and maybe a 2nd rnd pick and probably a cap dump and depending on that camp dump could make the package a little different.

Dude give it up. He’s a 2nd line winger who will get a solid prospect and a 1st from a contending team. He’s not as good as you think he is.
- optimus-reim

He's good, and Rhino is not a 2nd line winger, maybe a 2C but definitely a 1RW.

He's good, and Rhino is not a 2nd line winger, maybe a 2C but definitely a 1RW.
- Buff36

Exactly. On Detroit he would be our best forward not named Larkin. Either playing as 1RW or a 2C. Go ahead and offer Berggren and a 2nd. Nobody will ever agree to that. But if you offer a better prospect/young player, and/or better draft pick, then something might work.

Also, was anyone personally attacked here? I thought it was OK to laugh at a trade offer and call it unrealistic. Tough crowd. Actually, soft crowd.

Exactly. On Detroit he would be our best forward not named Larkin. Either playing as 1RW or a 2C. Go ahead and offer Berggren and a 2nd. Nobody will ever agree to that. But if you offer a better prospect/young player, and/or better draft pick, then something might work.

Also, was anyone personally attacked here? I thought it was OK to laugh at a trade offer and call it unrealistic. Tough crowd. Actually, soft crowd.
- Kooleus

Pretty much, you would be getting a very good player that can score and dish the puck, that never misses games, is very good in front of the net on the PP. Those players get a 1st and decent prospect.

For someone who thinks he knows so much about Sam Reinhart, you would think you would at least know how to spell his last name properly

- dcz28

It’s autocorrect dude. Keep to the topic.
Still awaiting that mock trade package for Larkin. Name your 5th best prospect on any team and add in a 2nd. You like it or does it look a little silly? I bet it looks a little silly. Yeah it’s a little silly.

It’s autocorrect dude. Keep to the topic.
Still awaiting that mock trade package for Larkin. Name your 5th best prospect on any team and add in a 2nd. You like it or does it look a little silly? I bet it looks a little silly. Yeah it’s a little silly.
- halo63

Seeing Buffalo fans overvalue a winger is.....sad.
If you believe he is worth that much then by all means continue believing that. Just because he’s taken 2OA doesn’t mean the guy is worth it.
Seguin is more talented than Reinhart and he only got Eriksson from Dallas who was a top 6 winger.
You should also factor in that nobody looks at Buffalo and thinks “WOW SAMSON REINHART”. When people think of Buffalo it’s not sunny days and warm feelings.
You’re trading for a winger who has been through hell and back being developed on a terrible team that has gone through three GMs and several coaches since Reinhart was drafted. To say he’s been butchered in his development would be an accurate statement.

Saying that someone is projected to get x amount of goals or points when they have never achieved these stats is no similar to the morons on tv who call a shot on net “saving a goal”.




Expectations vs. reality

Reinhart is a 2nd line forward or a 1st line forward on a rebuilding team. Either way you’re going to be very sad with the expectations you have set up for a Reinhart trade.
A late first and a B prospect, or a B+ prospect and an early 2nd from a rebuilding team. Bet.

Seeing Buffalo fans overvalue a winger is.....sad.
If you believe he is worth that much then by all means continue believing that. Just because he’s taken 2OA doesn’t mean the guy is worth it.
Seguin is more talented than Reinhart and he only got Eriksson from Dallas who was a top 6 winger.
You should also factor in that nobody looks at Buffalo and thinks “WOW SAMSON REINHART”. When people think of Buffalo it’s not sunny days and warm feelings.
You’re trading for a winger who has been through hell and back being developed on a terrible team that has gone through three GMs and several coaches since Reinhart was drafted. To say he’s been butchered in his development would be an accurate statement.

Saying that someone is projected to get x amount of goals or points when they have never achieved these stats is no similar to the morons on tv who call a shot on net “saving a goal”.




Expectations vs. reality

Reinhart is a 2nd line forward or a 1st line forward on a rebuilding team. Either way you’re going to be very sad with the expectations you have set up for a Reinhart trade.
A late first and a B prospect, or a B+ prospect and an early 2nd from a rebuilding team. Bet.
- optimus-reim

Guess we will just have to see and if Friedman is right about as many as 7 teams calling about Rhino think they get a decent return.

Always loved those late 60's GTO Judge. In the Dazed And Confused movie when it starts and you see that GTO with the Aerosmith song Sweet Emotions...damn.

The corvettes are nice especially this one that the guy modified:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-87vDYAJ1c
- dcz28

My buddy in MS had a Buick Grand National GNX.....his dad had a Judge. I drooled ALL the time!!! They ran a pint of moonshine every other tank of high octane fuel. Kicking those things into gear was, well.......wow.

I’m personally on the fence with Raymond, but the organization pointed out that he had the 5th most rookie points (in 34 games) in the SHL. For whatever reason, Yzerman had a “hands off” sign on him at the last trade deadline. Skating is through the roof, I just look forward to seeing him in GR this year to get a better gauge. At the time of the Mantha deal, the GMs who were in on talks commented that Larkin, Raymond and Seider were told to be unavailable (and only those three at that point). Things change for sure
- Jeremy Laura

I think we have to see what he's capable of. Regardless, I think he'll do well, given a strong system and a chance. There's no way I'd put him on the block, yet.

Zadina and a 1st for Reinhart? If that's the price they would want, i would hope Yzerman just tells them no thank you and hangs up the phone.
- dcz28

Zadina stays. It's too early to put him on the block for someone that doesn't have the longevity (minus unforeseen injuries, etc...) Zads does. He's made massive strides in his game form last year. That shows he's got a world of potential. What would we gain by trading Zads for Rhino? Now, if we were "that close" to making the SCPO, I MIGHT agree. But we're not there yet.

I would just offer Raz and the NY 2nd for Rhino....Gotta see what Berggren can do on NA ice and know what his true value is! Raz is worth at least a 2nd. I think he would do nicely on BS's 3rd line, and net front on the 1st PP unit.
Rhino can have 2nd line C, Veleno and Vlady can compete for 3rd...