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Fopa21
Joined: 05.12.2021

Jun 17 @ 2:24 PM ET
This has to be one of the most ridiculous posts out there
- ClaudeFather



Which part isn’t true?

Washington didn’t win the world series after Harper left?? Well, I guess in his introductory press conference after signing with philly he did say “bring a championship to Washington” so….

& who was the face of that team??? A teenager named Soto. He was able to elevate/bring a team together when Harper wasn’t year after year.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Jun 17 @ 2:24 PM ET
I didn’t say Frost. I said Myers, Patrick, a 1st, and prospect not named York.

There are a lot of teams that probably think they can make something of Patrick. A top 15 pick, and prospect of your choice, and a 6’ 5” young defenseman with a bomb of shot, skates like the wind, plays physical, who is coming off a down season after a very good one.

For a guy who will be gone one way or another next year and is only willing to play for a select few teams.

Yeah I’m sure they’d just hang up the phone, I doubt that would be a conversation starter. Anything they get is a steal.

- Flyers1218

Well Frost would be a prospect not names York no?
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Jun 17 @ 2:25 PM ET
I didn’t say Frost. I said Myers, Patrick, a 1st, and prospect not named York.

There are a lot of teams that probably think they can make something of Patrick. A top 15 pick, and prospect of your choice, and a 6’ 5” young defenseman with a bomb of shot, skates like the wind, plays physical, who is coming off a down season after a very good one.

For a guy who will be gone one way or another next year and is only willing to play for a select few teams.

Yeah I’m sure they’d just hang up the phone, I doubt that would be a conversation starter. Anything they get is a steal.

- Flyers1218

JD250 specifically called out the 3 things that I posted as what it took to get Jones, which is what I was saying . I don’t think they want the pile of broken players you just suggested either.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 17 @ 2:25 PM ET
I didn’t say Frost. I said Myers, Patrick, a 1st, and prospect not named York.

There are a lot of teams that probably think they can make something of Patrick. A top 15 pick, a prospect of your choice, and a 6’ 5” young defenseman with a bomb of shot, skates like the wind, plays physical, who is coming off a down season after a very good one.

For a guy who will be gone one way or another next year and is only willing to play for a select few teams.

Yeah I’m sure they’d just hang up the phone, I doubt that would be a conversation starter. Anything they get is a steal.

- Flyers1218


Columbus won't take Patrick as a main part of the deal.
Flyers1218
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 06.28.2007

Jun 17 @ 2:26 PM ET
More than that.
- MJL

Maybe it will, but probably not.

Most on here are way off base on compensation for trades or FA.
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Jun 17 @ 2:26 PM ET
Which part isn’t true?

Washington didn’t win the world series after Harper left?? Well, I guess in his introductory press conference after signing with philly he did say “bring a championship to Washington” so….

- Fopa21

That you are compring Bryce Harper and eichel and pretending you know him as a loser when he’s been apart of the worst organization in the sport and he’s had enough. Please do everyone a favor and stop.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Jun 17 @ 2:26 PM ET
Wholy! Jones “maybe a little better” than Sanheim?!?

It’s not even close. Sanheim on a good year isn’t anywhere close to Jones on a bad year.

- Fopa21



That isn't what he said.


Selling a Sanheim to get a Jones, make him part of that package. Selling a Sanheim to make room for a similar, maybe a little better FA who is older with no upside, pass. You can't solve one problem and not have a solution for the new one created, is no bueno


He is talking about Jones separately from the slightly better FA.
NC Flyers Fan
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.19.2018

Jun 17 @ 2:26 PM ET
I don't agree with what you state in Carolina. He wants to re-sign there. Carolina just doesn't want to pay him what he's asking for. I think Carolina is playing it like see what's out there and then come back to us and we'll see what we can do.
- MJL


Exactly. I really think Hamilton ends up re-signing in Carolina, but we’ll see.
Flyers1218
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 06.28.2007

Jun 17 @ 2:27 PM ET
Columbus won't take Patrick as a main part of the deal.
- MJL

The first round pick is the main part of the deal. And a good prospect. And a very good 6’ 5” defenseman. Not too shabby to have a struggling #2 pick as a throw in.
Flyers1218
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 06.28.2007

Jun 17 @ 2:28 PM ET
Which part isn’t true?

Washington didn’t win the world series after Harper left?? Well, I guess in his introductory press conference after signing with philly he did say “bring a championship to Washington” so….

& who was the face of that team??? A teenager named Soto. He was able to elevate/bring a team together when Harper wasn’t year after year.

- Fopa21

Harper blows and so do the Phillies. Thank god Girardi went there and not the Mets.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 17 @ 2:28 PM ET
Maybe it will, but probably not.

Most on here are way off base on compensation for trades or FA.

- Flyers1218


No it probably will. They are trading one of the top commodities in the NHL. One of the hardest players to obtain. A legit top pairing RH defenseman.

They'll want an established NHL forward, established NHL defenseman and a pick or prospect. Patrick doesn't qualify. May want Sanheim over Myers.
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Jun 17 @ 2:28 PM ET
The first round pick is the main part of the deal. And a good prospect. And a very good 6’ 5” defenseman. Not too shabby to have a struggling #2 pick as a throw in.
- Flyers1218

A very good 6’5 defenseman haha try a raw Dman that needs to put in a lot of work to become a reliable defenseman
Fopa21
Joined: 05.12.2021

Jun 17 @ 2:29 PM ET
I didn’t say Frost. I said Myers, Patrick, a 1st, and prospect not named York.

There are a lot of teams that probably think they can make something of Patrick. A top 15 pick, a prospect of your choice, and a 6’ 5” young defenseman with a bomb of shot, skates like the wind, plays physical, who is coming off a down season after a very good one.

For a guy who will be gone one way or another next year and is only willing to play for a select few teams.

Yeah I’m sure they’d just hang up the phone, I doubt that would be a conversation starter. Anything they get is a steal.

- Flyers1218


Patrick sucks.

Sanheim plays physical??? I haven’t seen any of that. 6’5 181 lbs string bean. NAK who is almost a foot smaller weighs more than Sanheim.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 17 @ 2:29 PM ET
The first round pick is the main part of the deal. And a good prospect. And a very good 6’ 5” defenseman. Not too shabby to have a struggling #2 pick as a throw in.
- Flyers1218


No it's not. A 1st round pick could be 2-3 years out. They want NHL ready assets as the main part of the deal by all reports.
Flyers1218
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 06.28.2007

Jun 17 @ 2:29 PM ET
Well Frost would be a prospect not names York no?
- hello it's me 2050

I’m not saying Frost can’t be in it. I’m saying I didn’t suggest Frost. Another guy I wouldn’t care if he was in the deal.

This team needs a total shakeup. Farabee, Provorov, and Hart would be the only players I wouldn’t trade or let go on the whole team.
Fopa21
Joined: 05.12.2021

Jun 17 @ 2:30 PM ET
That you are compring Bryce Harper and eichel and pretending you know him as a loser when he’s been apart of the worst organization in the sport and he’s had enough. Please do everyone a favor and stop.
- ClaudeFather


But you know him as a winner I guess?
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Jun 17 @ 2:30 PM ET
But you know him as a winner I guess?
- Fopa21

I didn’t claim to know him, you did
Flyers1218
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 06.28.2007

Jun 17 @ 2:34 PM ET
No it probably will. They are trading one of the top commodities in the NHL. One of the hardest players to obtain. A legit top pairing RH defenseman.

They'll want an established NHL forward, established NHL defenseman and a pick or prospect. Patrick doesn't qualify. May want Sanheim over Myers.

- MJL

It’s all speculation, but word is he only wants to play in a few places. So only the teams that are signing him and getting that extension are going to be giving up a lot. And how many teams is that? 2? 3?

Maybe someone takes a shot and goes for him knowing he’s a rental, but the package goes down. Columbus is against it. They can hold out as long as they want for the “package of their dreams”. He’s leaving and teams aren’t dumb. They aren’t going to get nearly what is being thrown around in here.
Fopa21
Joined: 05.12.2021

Jun 17 @ 2:34 PM ET
I didn’t claim to know him, you did
- ClaudeFather


Never said I know him. But the eye test/results don’t lie. Why do you need him to play 15 years on good teams without winning anything to be like oh yeah he was overrated his entire career. Why can’t you just see things for what they are. He’s just no capable of being the guy.
Flyers1218
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 06.28.2007

Jun 17 @ 2:35 PM ET
A very good 6’5 defenseman haha try a raw Dman that needs to put in a lot of work to become a reliable defenseman
- ClaudeFather

Trading for a defenseman that has been hurt a ton and his metrics are falling off a cliff. We can play this game all day.
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Jun 17 @ 2:35 PM ET
Never said I know him. But the eye test/results don’t lie. Why do you need him to play 15 years on good teams without winning anything to be like oh yeah he was overrated his entire career. Why can’t you just see things for what they are. He’s just no capable of being the guy.
- Fopa21

Connor McDavid isn’t making the Sabres a playoff team man, hate to break it to you
wcorvette
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

Jun 17 @ 2:36 PM ET
There is no question that the Flyers can make moves to improve as a team. Hell that's bound to happen even if they do little. Again, to what end? Most of the moves being reported and discussed, the most likely outcome is that the Flyers will be agood team that is not good enough and is cap strapped lacking cap flexibility. If the Flyers are smart, they look to add true difference makers or the opposite end. Short term vet stop gaps. Noting in the middle. No more Kevin Hayes type deal.
- MJL


any add has to be an impact player, it could be FA or it could be trading a good player for a good player with speed or grit. I don't mind adding picks or prospects to get the right guy. If you can land Jones or Hamilton for a reasonable cost and you have the depth in the areas you had to trade from or a plan to replace, then you pull the trigger.


First chance to go all in would be the trade deadline, if they really had a full bounce back from the young kids and the vets are playing well, you might add. If it is questionable, you hold and don't overpay for a pipe dream.

I do think CF is of that mind, besides Hayes he really has been careful and I think they had no choice on Hayes.
Flyers1218
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 06.28.2007

Jun 17 @ 2:37 PM ET
Connor McDavid isn’t making the Sabres a playoff team man, hate to break it to you
- ClaudeFather

Correct. He hasn’t even made Edmonton good.
Flyers1218
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 06.28.2007

Jun 17 @ 2:38 PM ET
Patrick sucks.

Sanheim plays physical??? I haven’t seen any of that. 6’5 181 lbs string bean. NAK who is almost a foot smaller weighs more than Sanheim.

- Fopa21

I wasn’t talking about Sanheim. I was talking about Myers. I’m totally fine with trading Sanheim instead.

Another wonderful Hextall pick. Guess I have to give him credit for Farabee.

If it isn’t apparent, I really like Myers. I think he’s going to be really really good. Just needs to keep working.
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Jun 17 @ 2:39 PM ET
Correct. He hasn’t even made Edmonton good.
- Flyers1218

What a loser , he sucks and will never be a winner - Fopa21
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