Bill will correct me if I’m wrong but in the podcast I believe he said the Jones deal would require something like:

Konecny
Sanheim
2 firsts
And possibly a top end prospect like Cam York.
- mayorofangrytown

Oof. That just seems way too rich.

I hear you, but we’re talking like losing Frost or TK or Sanheim is the end of the world. They are alright, but not untouchable.

Personally I’d rather keep Myers then Sanheim. Had a down year, but I like his skill set and makeup much better. TK has been an utter disappointment since they came back from the pause… I’d be absolutely fine with moving on from him and his contract.

That said, these open holes that have to be filled. That’s the catch. Maybe they will get lucky and someone will want Voracek.
- Flyers1218

You would rather lose Sanheim than Myers?

What color is the sky on your planet?

Oof. That just seems way too rich.
- Hesh_

Um no

Um no
- Joe Nardone

I dunno. For a guy a year away from free agency who seems to want to test free agency? Or at least a guy who might want to move on from Ohio.

I dunno. For a guy a year away from free agency who seems to want to test free agency? Or at least a guy who might want to move on from Ohio.
- Hesh_

The poster had what was said incorrect. It was Konecny, one of Sanhiem or Myers and a 1st.

Hopefully the GM doesn't have tunnel vision and just focused on 1 or 2 players.

Would you make a trade for Jones that includes TK, Sanehim, and a 1st if there is no ext in place?

Would you trade Myers for Ristolainen?

Assuming both moves made same time you have 11.3 going out in salary and 10.8 coming back.

And Myers Frost and a first gets you Seth Jones lmao, you just say things to say them. Stop spewing crap constantly it’s tiresome to read
- ClaudeFather

Oh, and you are the model that we should all follow

Must be nice to be so deep on D.
- Tomahawk

This is what Carolina is exactly doing, which should tell you they are not committed to Hamilton as a top defenseman in the league and not wanting to pay him as such. This supports what I said earlier about Hamilton. Carolina sees what Boston saw, what Calgary saw (who traded Hamilton for Hanafin who I think we would agree on paper is not as good), and are clearly demonstrating they are balking at his asking price. This also may be an indication that teams are not willing to pay for top end contracts given the flat cap. This could be a good thing for the Flyers.

JD250 specifically called out the 3 things that I posted as what it took to get Jones, which is what I was saying . I don’t think they want the pile of broken players you just suggested either.
- ClaudeFather

I didn't call out anything you posted. I responded to and agreed with BMeltzer's pushback on what it would take to get Jones from Columbus and reiterated I don't do any deal unless Jones was signing an extension with the Flyers. I mean, Columbus has 0 leverage given Jones' claim he wants to test FA, they thus either make a trade this season or he walks for nothing. Therefore I don't think the Flyers should get stupid in what they give up for Jones, since they can always sign him next season and give nothing to Columbus.

This is what Carolina is exactly doing, which should tell you they are not committed to Hamilton as a top defenseman in the league and not wanting to pay him as such. This supports what I said earlier about Hamilton. Carolina sees what Boston saw, what Calgary saw (who traded Hamilton for Hanafin who I think we would agree on paper is not as good), and are clearly demonstrating they are balking at his asking price. This also may be an indication that teams are not willing to pay for top end contracts given the flat cap. This could be a good thing for the Flyers.
- jd250

Carolina not wanting to pay him top money doesn't mean they don't want him or don't like him. Flyers will pay top dollar no doubt. I cant wait to see the first contract the GM gives out.

You would rather lose Sanheim than Myers?

What color is the sky on your planet?
- Joe Nardone

I agree, Myers had more than a down year. Its one thing to struggle with injuries, or struggle with the new system, but Myers demonstrated something that is extremely worrisome and got him benched a few times, i.e. the unwillingness to go into a corner, take a hit and win a puck battle. This is not something you can teach, you either want it or your don't. Myers is soft in his own end, and given he adds very little offensively, a real liability at this point. He is still on the younger side, has speed and is a RHS, so maybe there is trade value for him, but I would move on from him if I were the Flyers. Give me a Dman like Morin any day of the week!

Would you make a trade for Jones that includes TK, Sanehim, and a 1st if there is no ext in place?

Would you trade Myers for Ristolainen?

Assuming both moves made same time you have 11.3 going out in salary and 10.8 coming back.
- hello it's me 2050

1) no
2) yes


If Jones wouldn’t sign an extension then the price probably loses one of those pieces.

I agree, Myers had more than a down year. Its one thing to struggle with injuries, or struggle with the new system, but Myers demonstrated something that is extremely worrisome and got him benched a few times, i.e. the unwillingness to go into a corner, take a hit and win a puck battle. This is not something you can teach, you either want it or your don't. Myers is soft in his own end, and given he adds very little offensively, a real liability at this point. He is still on the younger side, has speed and is a RHS, so maybe there is trade value for him, but I would move on from him if I were the Flyers. Give me a Dman like Morin any day of the week!
- jd250

Also doesn't seem like Myers fully grasps what is being taught or asked of him based on some of the coaches comments.

Morin did nothing. His lousy 10 minutes a night showed that. He did not look good overall. He wants to resign and play for the phantoms to get more minutes to try to get back on track no problem.

I agree, Myers had more than a down year. Its one thing to struggle with injuries, or struggle with the new system, but Myers demonstrated something that is extremely worrisome and got him benched a few times, i.e. the unwillingness to go into a corner, take a hit and win a puck battle. This is not something you can teach, you either want it or your don't. Myers is soft in his own end, and given he adds very little offensively, a real liability at this point. He is still on the younger side, has speed and is a RHS, so maybe there is trade value for him, but I would move on from him if I were the Flyers. Give me a Dman like Morin any day of the week!
- jd250

Myers was terrible last year…plain and simple. Sanheim showed flashes but I didn’t think his game escalated to a new level….still soft, still makes a ton mistakes in his own end and rarely used his gifts of superior skating or size. I still think or hope Sanheim can become a good dman, but he’s not there yet…consistency matters. Morin has an opportunity to become a bottom pairing guy. I thought for the most part played a steady game….he stayed healthy. If it’s not here I think he will play in the NHL next year…but I hope it’s here.

In forming my opinion, I try to avoid being influenced by poor sources. This would be an example of poor sources. I thought it was something along those lines that led you to believe that Hamilton is a soft player.
- MJL

These are not poor sources, these are local Boston media talking about what the Bruins should do next and their unwillingness to consider Hamilton. Look, one thing you have to realize is these guys sometimes get these talking points from "unnamed sources" which means from within the Bruins organization. But my opinion is not based on these sources, my opinion comes from watching him play against Tampa in the playoffs and see pretty much the same player I saw in Boston a few years earlier. Again, I understand why you would want Hamilton, he would instantly upgrade our PP and score 50+ points which is a very nice thing. My point is Hamilton is not tough to play against, and I believe its more important to be physical and tough to play against as a Dman than to score 50+ points in the regular season. In the playoffs, games tighten, scoring naturally decreases, and IMO Hamilton is not going to be a difference maker, he hasn't been so for his entire career.

Hopefully the GM doesn't have tunnel vision and just focused on 1 or 2 players.
- hello it's me 2050

Safe to say (and it’s being heavily reported by more then one outlet) that after an implosion of sorts, the Flyers have multiple balls in the air. Hopefully the GM can make some moves and get them back on track.

These are not poor sources, these are local Boston media talking about what the Bruins should do next and their unwillingness to consider Hamilton. Look, one thing you have to realize is these guys sometimes get these talking points from "unnamed sources" which means from within the Bruins organization. But my opinion is not based on these sources, my opinion comes from watching him play against Tampa in the playoffs and see pretty much the same player I saw in Boston a few years earlier. Again, I understand why you would want Hamilton, he would instantly upgrade our PP and score 50+ points which is a very nice thing. My point is Hamilton is not tough to play against, and I believe its more important to be physical and tough to play against as a Dman than to score 50+ points in the regular season. In the playoffs, games tighten, scoring naturally decreases, and IMO Hamilton is not going to be a difference maker, he hasn't been so for his entire career.
- jd250

Hamilton is a good defenceman, that would definitely help….but I agree, I don’t see him as an 8 million dollar guy.

Myers was terrible last year…plain and simple. Sanheim showed flashes but I didn’t think his game escalated to a new level….still soft, still makes a ton mistakes in his own end and rarely used his gifts of superior skating or size. I still think or hope Sanheim can become a good dman, but he’s not there yet…consistency matters. Morin has an opportunity to become a bottom pairing guy. I thought for the most part played a steady game….he stayed healthy. If it’s not here I think he will play in the NHL next year…but I hope it’s here.

- landros 2

Agreed with everything you post here. Sanheim does need to get more physically if he wants to be considered a top 4 D, but at least he showed some offensive flashes. It seems to me Sanheim lacks confidence sometimes, because when he is confident he skates really well and makes things happen. But then he seems to go away for long periods of time.

Safe to say (and it’s being heavily reported by more then one outlet) that after an implosion of sorts, the Flyers have multiple balls in the air. Hopefully the GM can make some moves and get them back on track.
- landros 2

If he doesn't land whoever his big fish is does he panic? Time will tell and cant wait.

Hamilton is a good defenceman, that would definitely help….but I agree, I don’t see him as an 8 million dollar guy.
- landros 2

Right, but with that said, if Hamilton's price drops and I get him somehow in the $7M range, and augment him with a Dman like Savard, I might consider that for sure.

Agreed with everything you post here. Sanheim does need to get more physically if he wants to be considered a top 4 D, but at least he showed some offensive flashes. It seems to me Sanheim lacks confidence sometimes, because when he is confident he skates really well and makes things happen. But then he seems to go away for long periods of time.
- jd250

So much of the game(like all sports) is played between the ears. I actually thought near the end of the year he was playing better. He never will be a physical force, but he does need to use his size more. Hopefully if he’s not jettisoned out of town he continues to mature as a player.

Also doesn't seem like Myers fully grasps what is being taught or asked of him based on some of the coaches comments.

Morin did nothing. His lousy 10 minutes a night showed that. He did not look good overall. He wants to resign and play for the phantoms to get more minutes to try to get back on track no problem.
- hello it's me 2050

I don't agree with your assessment of Morin. I think the Flyers were trying to limit his minutes to help him, his knees specifically, not get injured again. But when Morin played, he brought that physical edge to the backend this team sorely missed, and I thought he was very effective on the PK.

Right, but with that said, if Hamilton's price drops and I get him somehow in the $7M range, and augment him with a Dman like Savard, I might consider that for sure.
- jd250

I’m not dismissing him out of hand…the Flyers d blew last year….Hamilton would definitely be an upgrade. When a team underperforms like the Flyers there’s lots of room for change and an upgrade on d is obviously at the top of the list.

I don't agree with your assessment of Morin. I think the Flyers were trying to limit his minutes to help him, his knees specifically, not get injured again. But when Morin played, he brought that physical edge to the backend this team sorely missed, and I thought he was very effective on the PK.
- jd250

I don’t think he’s a shoe in to play in the top 6, but he does add an element the Flyers severely lack. I remember before the last 7-8 years when the Flyers strived to be a big, skilled, fast and physical team….I hope they try and back to that.