Agree. I don't think there's any teeth to it at least the way I read it in the Athletic...

Another league source said Kirby Dach likely would have to be part of any deal for Jones. The source believed Jones would be worth it, too. When Jones’ struggles over the past two seasons were brought up, the source pointed to overuse and a weak supporting cast in Columbus.

The big question: Would it really be any different in Chicago?
- HawkintheD

If Stan makes that trade there will be multiple high priced free agents signed as well.

If the bolded is accurate Boiler (and I'm assuming you are correct), what a great way for the league to F over the Blackhawks.

Blowman MUST walk away from this Russian fool before he ends up getting trapped by an arbiter that F's over the Hawks with an amount they can't walk away from and cannot trade either without having to provide a sweetener for someone else to take the big oaf off our hands.

Just imagine this clod at some point in the future in a conference finals (well actually, I cannot imagine it with him in the lineup). He would get eaten alive with his slow decision making and poor puck management.

Stay very far away Mr Blowman, very far away before this becomes ASF.
- savvyone-1

What if he asked for $10m. Then what happens to the walk away price?

ya looking at the Hockey News they have the Hawks taking Wallstedt also .Not sure what the Hawks will do he may have the highest celling at that point in the draft unless someone slips back .I really like that Cossa kid if we are taking goalies in the 1st and I know that is frowned upon here but watching the final 4 all teams have a 1st RD pick in net . I don't believe the Hawks will be knocking on the Cup finals door for 4 or 5 years lots of time to develop a couple home grown goalies by then .
- oldduffman

Hawks imo should not take a goalie at 11 if could obtain another late 1st then yes but hawks need top 6 talent and top 4 d talent. Plus they just drafted a goalie in 2nd round last year. too much of a risk. Mctavish raty cornoton lambos Lysell Sillnger.

Speaking of real players, I might have missed this in the last thread, but Spector reported today:


"UPDATES ON JONES AND HAMILTON

THE ATHLETIC: Mark Lazerus and Scott Powers cited a source claiming the Chicago Blackhawks are going to explore adding either Dougie Hamilton or Seth Jones to their defense corps this summer. However, they don’t intend to leverage their future to add either blueliner.

The Blackhawks won’t be interested should Hamilton seek a deal comparable to the $8.8 million annually on a seven-year deal Alex Pietrangelo signed last October with the Vegas Golden Knights. They would, however, consider discussions for a lower cap number.

As for Jones, it depends on the Columbus Blue Jackets’ asking price. One league source believes it could be a first-round pick, a second-rounder, and a high-quality prospect. Another felt Kirby Dach would have to be part of any offer from the Blackhawks."
- Popsghostly

Not directed at you, what's the point of the rebuild if you give up draft picks to sign Jones? Sure seems ass backwards to me. Id offer Hamilton $6 mil per not a penny more.

These lean years is a good time to get a good player for a really reasonable contract.

Zadarovs agent, what the (frank) is he smoking?

If i were Bowman, tender the qualifying offer and sit down and let it play out

It wouldn't shock me if some extreme group is paying off this victim just to weaken the team, so that the discussion of changing the name will be brought up again.
- powerenforcer

Just when i think you can't be anymore out there, you out do yourself, stick tap PE

Speaking of real players, I might have missed this in the last thread, but Spector reported today:


"UPDATES ON JONES AND HAMILTON

THE ATHLETIC: Mark Lazerus and Scott Powers cited a source claiming the Chicago Blackhawks are going to explore adding either Dougie Hamilton or Seth Jones to their defense corps this summer. However, they don’t intend to leverage their future to add either blueliner.

The Blackhawks won’t be interested should Hamilton seek a deal comparable to the $8.8 million annually on a seven-year deal Alex Pietrangelo signed last October with the Vegas Golden Knights. They would, however, consider discussions for a lower cap number.

As for Jones, it depends on the Columbus Blue Jackets’ asking price. One league source believes it could be a first-round pick, a second-rounder, and a high-quality prospect. Another felt Kirby Dach would have to be part of any offer from the Blackhawks."
- Popsghostly

While I wouldn't mind either Hamilton or Jones on the Hawks they're not the type to go all-in on. For Jones, I don't think the Hawks have the assets that CBJ would want. The same goes for Eichel. If I had to guess where these guys end-up:

Eichel - CBJ (they have 3 first round picks and desperately need a top forward who can't leave)
Hamilton - Buffalo (they offer the biggest pay day)
Jones - Philly (just cuz)

Not directed at you, what's the point of the rebuild if you give up draft picks to sign Jones? Sure seems ass backwards to me. Id offer Hamilton $6 mil per not a penny more.
- BetweenTheDots

The "rebuild" strategy may have quickly changed with the developments regarding Seabrook, Shaw and Toews? Who knows?

The "rebuild" strategy may have quickly changed with the developments regarding Seabrook, Shaw and Toews? Who knows?
- rpeters01

I'd use all that space on dog contracts and lotsa candy to go with it.

The "rebuild" strategy may have quickly changed with the developments regarding Seabrook, Shaw and Toews? Who knows?
- rpeters01

Bowman has always said we always inquire about any player who is exposed, and i think that's all this, kicking the tires to see what it will cost them.

I'd use all that space on dog contracts and lotsa candy to go with it.
- mohel

No way... just keep all that glorious cap space! Cap space >>>> winning.

No way... just keep all that glorious cap space! Cap space >>>> winning.
- DarthKane

If Blowman messes up that glorious cap space it’ll be yet another Blowman fail.

Barkov won the Selke... he's going to be a great Blackhawk.

Not directed at you, what's the point of the rebuild if you give up draft picks to sign Jones? Sure seems ass backwards to me. Id offer Hamilton $6 mil per not a penny more.
- BetweenTheDots

Agreed...wait for free agency.

You don't ride the 11th choice in the first round ands MORE when you are in a rebuild.

It IS a rebuild, right? No one here really things the accumulation of new Euro UFAs, and the current club of roster players is going to transform within two (three. four?) years to truly run with big dogs in an extended playoff run?

What they MAY have to do is get lucky in a trade including a young defender, probably not great to bring up a repeat of this idea, since Henri Jokuharju has proven VASTLY DOMINANT and such an improvement over Willie Nylander's little brother.

It doesn't take a genius to know that teams are always discarding useful parts due to Cap & surplus.

You CAN get a guy who CAN be a second line guy eventually.
But you may have the fans in tears that Mitchell wasn't given the chance to develop, etc.

No matter how our Nylander shakes out, you have to look for upgrades, possible defenders/wings/goalie who CAN grow into players.

I also think you are shooting yourself in the foot at this juncture to trade away first draft picks and I really like every part of Seth Jones' game, see him as a leader, a dominant player for a long time, but are we trying to trade to sell tickets or eventually be retooled and locked and loaded TO grow into a successful franchise that can have a bit of dominance?
No be on the roster should an untouchable if they can get us REAL players that improve it.

(but in all my years of my first reactions to trades, so FEW lead to true add ons. So the real deal has to be there, and no hesitation on pulling the trigger if it does.)

Sidenote:
Am I reading all this incorrectly? Is Seth Jones available basically asa long term and trade, not as a NHL team taking a chance he likes us after we trade for him?
If Seth Jones doesn't sign going term after a deal, maybe it suits the Hawks interest to talk tarde or talk to the agent as a way to say we will do along termer in a year, if you take a trade without one.
It all hurts my head what these hockey writers think they know...

Ouch!
- rpeters01

Ging is pissed....but he's right. No way on 5.85 for Z. And bye.. Cole Caufield is No Alex Debrincat DK, not yet anyway. He was just fed a perfect one timer cross-ice opportunity and chose to attempt to stop it and put it on a tee....fumbled the chance. ADB buried those even in his rookie year.

what about tomas tatar as a UFA? https://www.hockey-refere.../players/t/tatarto01.html

his metrics are great. had a slight down year this year but is probably a 50 pt winger
- kmw4631

I don't believe anybody answered your question so I will. YES on Tomas Tatar, as long as his price isn't outrageous. He's a natural goal scorer that the Blackhawks tried to get a couple years ago at the deadline. We need more top 6 potential forwards added to replace the 100's of bottom sixers SB keeps adding.

I don't believe anybody answered your question so I will. YES on Tomas Tatar, as long as his price isn't outrageous. He's a natural goal scorer that the Blackhawks tried to get a couple years ago at the deadline. We need more top 6 potential forwards added to replace the 100's of bottom sixers SB keeps adding.
- Hawkytalk

One more thing..... The Blackhawks settled for Thomas Jurko in that trade with the Wings instead of Tomas Tatar. ABF !!

I don't know how it works but they walked away from Niemi?
- rpeters01

Capfriendly says Niemi was an UFA after the 2010 season and signed with San Jose. Didn't the Sharks offer sheet Hjalmarsson that summer and the Hawks matched not leaving enough cap space to sign Niemi?

Hawks imo should not take a goalie at 11 if could obtain another late 1st then yes but hawks need top 6 talent and top 4 d talent. Plus they just drafted a goalie in 2nd round last year. too much of a risk. Mctavish raty cornoton lambos Lysell Sillnger.
- Scott1977

Well I agree 11 seems high for a goalie this time around ,but unless someone like Edvinsson Beniers or Johnson or Clarke falls to 11th I don't see many with ceiling that Wallstedt has of course his floor could be much lower . This draft is a real crap shoot and I would not be upset if the Hawks deal 11 for couple later picks .I think really wanted Askarov last year and would have pick him a 11th or earlier if give the chance .He already has a Swedish goalie so that may come into play .

Capfriendly says Niemi was an UFA after the 2010 season and signed with San Jose. Didn't the Sharks offer sheet Hjalmarsson that summer and the Hawks matched not leaving enough cap space to sign Niemi?
- boilermaker100

Exactly. The Sharks knew they’d walk away with either Hjalmarsson or Niemi.

Well I agree 11 seems high for a goalie this time around ,but unless someone like Edvinsson Beniers or Johnson or Clarke falls to 11th I don't see many with ceiling that Wallstedt has of course his floor could be much lower . This draft is a real crap shoot and I would not be upset if the Hawks deal 11 for couple later picks .I think really wanted Askarov last year and would have pick him a 11th or earlier if give the chance .He already has a Swedish goalie so that may come into play .
- oldduffman

Would not be surprised if hawks trade back to pick up more assets. They shouldn't but could happen.

FWIW, Ek reporting that Jones wants to test free agency next summer and will not sign an extension if and when traded to another team. Ek speculates that Colorado is Jones' preferred destination so Sakic could just wait til next year to sign him rather than trading assets to obtain him this summer. That also gives Sakic another year to get his cap situation in line to extend Jones.

IMO that eliminates a lot of the teams, including the Hawks, pursuing him. Only a contender who thinks Jones as a rental would be the missing piece to position them to win the cup would offer something to CBJ.

Montreal and Vegas tied at 1 after 2. Guess who scored for the Habs?

Montreal and Vegas tied at 1 after 2. Guess who scored for the Habs?
- DarthKane

Price?