I'd try to bring in Hall, that would let you trade Tkachuk or Gaudreau to upgrade other parts of the line-up. Gaudreau was a huge blessing, Hall would be too - both would be cases of falling in our lap for free. I bet the owners want the team to morph more so than to "retool". Monahan/Gio/Kyli/Vali could be other moving parts.. would be great if Gio re-signed as a UFA if he gets picked by Seattle

The one thing that's new with the Flames - is extended silence.

What does this mean for Treliving's performance review? He passed, or are they quietly looking to replace him?

What about Gaudreau contract talk silence? I'm guessing him and his agent have a big number and are holding their ground - down to the last minute again..
- eastcanadAREaholes

I tend to agree with you that Tre's been unusually quiet lately. I also had a gut feeling that Sutter wasn't all (or any ) of his decision. The timing of it just seemed to be desperation - definitely not his style.
(Could this be the first time that a coach picks his general manager?)
But I'd be really surprised if he's fired. If that were the case then I don't think they would have moved Gelinas sideways when they did. The way it was done keeps the appearance of a tight ship but I wonder how tight it really is. My best guess is Tre no longer has a free hand in trades and negotiations which can't be hidden forever. And the wild card is how much input Sutter has. I'm thinking quite a bit - due to how he got hired.
Could it get to the point where Treliving says: I don't need this crap anymore; I'm going to make pizzas? If that happens, who replaces him? Conroy? And who'd be willing to work with Sutter because they're sure not getting rid of him for at least a year.

Lets just mark two dates on the calendar because nothing will happen until those dates.
July 21st-Expansion draft
July 23rd-Draft day

Until then, meh...

Lets just mark two dates on the calendar because nothing will happen until those dates.
July 21st-Expansion draft
July 23rd-Draft day

Until then, meh...
- geta02it

And after the cup finals things will pick up.
Tre would have been canned by now if we weren't sticking with him as I doubt we would go to the draft with a new GM at this stage.

And after the cup finals things will pick up.
Tre would have been canned by now if we weren't sticking with him as I doubt we would go to the draft with a new GM at this stage.
- DEDDIE

Totally agree! The Tre headhunting is ridiculous. He & Sutter have next year to get this team into playoffs &see some success.

And after the cup finals things will pick up.
Tre would have been canned by now if we weren't sticking with him as I doubt we would go to the draft with a new GM at this stage.
- DEDDIE

Yep!

Not a Flames fan but I think Sutter is your next GM

Not a Flames fan but I think Sutter is your next GM
- explorer

I said a month back when we were all salivating over the thought of Gorton or Davidson coming here that Conroy is likely the next GM. Ownership doesn’t like spending money on management and he has been in his role for a while now.

On the bright side I don’t think he could be any worse than sutter when he was GM

Which top forwards played against Owen Power and whoooooped his A? I'd burn a 3rd/4th round pick on a player like that if his stats weren't great

And after the cup finals things will pick up.
Tre would have been canned by now if we weren't sticking with him as I doubt we would go to the draft with a new GM at this stage.
- DEDDIE

You gotta wonder if the validity of the idiot reporting Tkachuk wants out of Calgary. I dont believe it personally but I think events last year suggests issues of leadership & I think Tkachuk wants to take over the reins from Gio now. With Gio a very good candidate for expansion fodder to the Kracken, that opens the door & personally I would build around Tkachuk. If not & we see treliving making a deal with Kracken to protect Gio, there could be some smoke here.

So playing devils advocate & follow the Tkachuk would like to get traded narrative, what do think of a deal with the Leafs? They want Hamilton, but cant come close to the cap space. How about a Tkachuk & Dube type of deal for Marner & Reilly. Gio gets plucked by the Kracken & the cap space wouldnt be hard to manage. Leafs get their high end gritty top 6 & space to go hard after Hamilton. Gaudreau/Lindy/Marner could be fun to watch.

When you see the job that Treliving has done In Calgary And Doug Wilson In San Jose It's really no wonder that the average hockey fan thinks that they could actually do the job.

When you see the job that Treliving has done In Calgary And Doug Wilson In San Jose It's really no wonder that the average hockey fan thinks that they could actually do the job.
- Shady1962

Easily!

You gotta wonder if the validity of the idiot reporting Tkachuk wants out of Calgary. I dont believe it personally but I think events last year suggests issues of leadership & I think Tkachuk wants to take over the reins from Gio now. With Gio a very good candidate for expansion fodder to the Kracken, that opens the door & personally I would build around Tkachuk. If not & we see treliving making a deal with Kracken to protect Gio, there could be some smoke here.

So playing devils advocate & follow the Tkachuk would like to get traded narrative, what do think of a deal with the Leafs? They want Hamilton, but cant come close to the cap space. How about a Tkachuk & Dube type of deal for Marner & Reilly. Gio gets plucked by the Kracken & the cap space wouldnt be hard to manage. Leafs get their high end gritty top 6 & space to go hard after Hamilton. Gaudreau/Lindy/Marner could be fun to watch.
- Kevin R

A lot of people seem to be suggesting he wants to go home to St.Louis which I did come across someone saying Matt, Brady and Keith were on a podcast recently talking the city up. I would be willing to bet the suggestion came from that or something else taken out of context in the same way that Francis has been running Johnny out of town since his Boston college days. We all know how “rumours” pop up when things aren’t going good for a team or a specific player.

But in the event that the rumour is true I believe it would be more because of division in the room and a feeling of no one having his back rather than wanting to go home. While he appeared to start to slack off during this year he’s bled for this team since day 1 and this time last year was the probable next captain so I don’t buy him being disloyal just cause he wants to go home.

Given the likelihood of the reason being an issue in the room you write down a list of all the guys that have an issue with him and ship them all out unless their names include Mangiapane or lindholm. If it’s one of those guys or even guys like Ras and hanifin you trim as much fat as you can and try to mend what problems you have left in house. Tkachuck’s only 24, a top 10 left winger in the league and the face of the franchise. If someone doesn’t like the way he plays they can kick rocks themselves cause they’re definitely not as good of player as him.

I have a trade for your Calgary Flames. Your agitator wants out, NYR needs that type of player! You need help on wing and defense. We have a plethera of dmen that will put pucks in the net!
Pavel Buchnevich, Nils Lunquist or Zac Jones and the #15 pick for Matt Tkachuk. Buchnevich takes care of the offense you’ll loose and Nils or Zac will be huge on the backend. What say you’s

You gotta wonder if the validity of the idiot reporting Tkachuk wants out of Calgary. I dont believe it personally but I think events last year suggests issues of leadership & I think Tkachuk wants to take over the reins from Gio now. With Gio a very good candidate for expansion fodder to the Kracken, that opens the door & personally I would build around Tkachuk. If not & we see treliving making a deal with Kracken to protect Gio, there could be some smoke here.

So playing devils advocate & follow the Tkachuk would like to get traded narrative, what do think of a deal with the Leafs? They want Hamilton, but cant come close to the cap space. How about a Tkachuk & Dube type of deal for Marner & Reilly. Gio gets plucked by the Kracken & the cap space wouldnt be hard to manage. Leafs get their high end gritty top 6 & space to go hard after Hamilton. Gaudreau/Lindy/Marner could be fun to watch.
- Kevin R

As for Marner I’m personally not interested. If this was before he signed that contract I would probably be on board but he doesn’t even play like he did before that either. He like the rest of his team has become very mechanical to me. He seems to lack the creativity he showed when first came into the league and like the team doesn’t know what to do when the opposition disrupts their system.

I have been leaning towards the rebuild side lately so I may be bias but if we were to move on from him I think we should just burn it down and sell the rest of the core off in an attempt to do what Ottawa is doing right now. When Sutter came in and said he wants to win another cup with this group all I heard was that we’re going to delay the inevitable and miss out on the studs available at the top end of the next two drafts

I have a trade for your Calgary Flames. Your agitator wants out, NYR needs that type of player! You need help on wing and defense. We have a plethera of dmen that will put pucks in the net!
Pavel Buchnevich, Nils Lunquist or Zac Jones and the #15 pick for Matt Tkachuk. Buchnevich takes care of the offense you’ll loose and Nils or Zac will be huge on the backend. What say you’s
- rangerbluelou

Need to sharpen your pencil. We dont have to trade Chucky & that's if reports are even true he does want out.

Need to sharpen your pencil. We dont have to trade Chucky & that's if reports are even true he does want out.
- Kevin R

Ryan Pinder on The Fan960 this morning talking about the Tkachuk rumors from last night:

"In reaching out to some folks around the organization they described these rumors in two words. The first one being bull. The second one sounding a lot like shirt."

-Personally I don’t live in Alberta or listen to the station but Ryan here appears to be a quite bit more credible than Shane O’Brien on this matter. So for the most part this is all pretty encouraging but I wouldn’t expect to hear anything from the team until the expansion draft and tkachuck until training camp.

As for Marner I’m personally not interested. If this was before he signed that contract I would probably be on board but he doesn’t even play like he did before that either. He like the rest of his team has become very mechanical to me. He seems to lack the creativity he showed when first came into the league and like the team doesn’t know what to do when the opposition disrupts their system.

I have been leaning towards the rebuild side lately so I may be bias but if we were to move on from him I think we should just burn it down and sell the rest of the core off in an attempt to do what Ottawa is doing right now. When Sutter came in and said he wants to win another cup with this group all I heard was that we’re going to delay the inevitable and miss out on the studs available at the top end of the next two drafts
- RedC21

This team lacks is identity. Four or five years ago they were the underdogs that would score a couple of goals with 3 minutes left in the game to go into overtime. Sutter will change whatever the (frank) they are right now.

A Sutter team needs players that are hard to play against. One of the reasons I think JG gets traded and one of the reasons I am not interested in Marner. Players that are not willing to go into the dirty areas are great in the regular season but you will not win games that matter with them.

Backlund has 3 more years at $5.3 million. Gio only has one year left.

If you were the Kraken who would you rather have?

1 year left of Gio - $6.75 million
2 years left of Luc - $5.25 million
3 years left of Backs - $5.3 million

How much value does Backlund have with three years left on his contract?

Backlund has 3 more years at $5.3 million. Gio only has one year left.

If you were the Kraken who would you rather have?

1 year left of Gio - $6.75 million
2 years left of Luc - $5.25 million
3 years left of Backs - $5.3 million

How much value does Backlund have with three years left on his contract?
- DuranDuran

Probably neither unless the Kraken can flip GIO or BACKS for assets.
My money is on Kylington or Phillips being picked. Seattle will get sweetners thrown at them by other teams to take an a contract like GIOS and the Flames dont need to do that.

As for Marner I’m personally not interested. If this was before he signed that contract I would probably be on board but he doesn’t even play like he did before that either. He like the rest of his team has become very mechanical to me. He seems to lack the creativity he showed when first came into the league and like the team doesn’t know what to do when the opposition disrupts their system.

I have been leaning towards the rebuild side lately so I may be bias but if we were to move on from him I think we should just burn it down and sell the rest of the core off in an attempt to do what Ottawa is doing right now. When Sutter came in and said he wants to win another cup with this group all I heard was that we’re going to delay the inevitable and miss out on the studs available at the top end of the next two drafts
- RedC21

I would love Marner on a line WITH Chucky but not at 10.9 mil for Marner in a flat cap!
Maybe Mony and JG with a million retained for Marner

This team lacks is identity. Four or five years ago they were the underdogs that would score a couple of goals with 3 minutes left in the game to go into overtime. Sutter will change whatever the (frank) they are right now.

A Sutter team needs players that are hard to play against. One of the reasons I think JG gets traded and one of the reasons I am not interested in Marner. Players that are not willing to go into the dirty areas are great in the regular season but you will not win games that matter with them.
- DuranDuran

I definitely see where you’re coming from here and for the most part I do agree. What does concern me though is that with what you’re suggesting we would essentially have to copycat the isles. While I for one am a believer in them, in order for us to be successful sutter’s coaching abilities would have to be on par with trotz and we would have to be as deep as them. Two things I’m not exactly sold on.

Backlund has 3 more years at $5.3 million. Gio only has one year left.

If you were the Kraken who would you rather have?

1 year left of Gio - $6.75 million
2 years left of Luc - $5.25 million
3 years left of Backs - $5.3 million

How much value does Backlund have with three years left on his contract?
- DuranDuran

I think backlund’s value as it stands is probably underwhelming for what he brings but if we could retain 1.3 million you would see a large boost in his value as teams may be ok with paying 4 million for a 3rd line C.

Minnesota in specific is an interesting team to me. We know they don’t want monahan and unless they get eichel they have a hole down the middle. Also them bringing in back’s would help give rossi time to develop.

As for expansion I’m going to say giordano. He should still have decent value at the Trade deadline and I don’t believe seattle will find the same instant success that Vegas had

I think backlund’s value as it stands is probably underwhelming for what he brings but if we could retain 1.3 million you would see a large boost in his value as teams may be ok with paying 4 million for a 3rd line C.

Minnesota in specific is an interesting team to me. We know they don’t want monahan and unless they get eichel they have a hole down the middle. Also them bringing in back’s would help give rossi time to develop.

As for expansion I’m going to say giordano. He should still have decent value at the Trade deadline and I don’t believe seattle will find the same instant success that Vegas had
- RedC21

Columbus & Ottawa are also interesting destinations for a player like Monahan. Players that still score 25 goals consistently in this league carry a value to GM's even though fans dont see it that way. Honestly, I would love to build a 2nd line around Monahan & Mangi if the value for Monahan isnt high enough. The 10 OA & Brown from Ottawa would be a tempting package.

I think backlund’s value as it stands is probably underwhelming for what he brings but if we could retain 1.3 million you would see a large boost in his value as teams may be ok with paying 4 million for a 3rd line C.

Minnesota in specific is an interesting team to me. We know they don’t want monahan and unless they get eichel they have a hole down the middle. Also them bringing in back’s would help give rossi time to develop.

As for expansion I’m going to say giordano. He should still have decent value at the Trade deadline and I don’t believe seattle will find the same instant success that Vegas had
- RedC21

I would like to see the Flames pursue the following.

Konecny for JG. We will have to add. Konecny has a decent contract till 24-25.

Sam Reinhart for Monahan. With Monahans injury history this might not work. But Reinhart lowered his stick by asking for a trade.

Trade Dube for a decent young RW prospect. Even ff JG is traded, that still leaves the LW position ridiculously stacked.

Tkachuk
Mange
Dube
Pelletier

Tre seems to have a hard on for small speedy LW prospects. Besides Phillips, whom is still a pretty big question mark, Flames have absolutely ZERO depth at the RW.

Any interest in signing Palmieri? Any other RW targets?

Columbus & Ottawa are also interesting destinations for a player like Monahan. Players that still score 25 goals consistently in this league carry a value to GM's even though fans dont see it that way. Honestly, I would love to build a 2nd line around Monahan & Mangi if the value for Monahan isnt high enough. The 10 OA & Brown from Ottawa would be a tempting package.
- Kevin R

Brown is a pretty interesting project. Besides being huge and having some decent hands I do not know much about him.

If we are trading for prospects then might as well trade JG and see what they can get for Gio and Backs with salary retained.