Go read the Sabres board. Someone is suggesting Dach, Reichel and the 11th (and Shaw's K) for Eichel as what they'd want. Good fun.

Is it even clear his neck injury isn't something serious?
- Popsghostly

I would want that too, but then eventually I’d probably sober up to reality.

Please no Eichel not at the cost of Dach. and 3 players at 10million? that would be perfect for a rebuilding team! spend even more time in cap hell and the bottom of the leagues standings if this trade is made.
- SaskHawkFan

You are delusional if you think the Hawks are truly rebuilding. It's a half ass rebuild and they are wasting the last few years of Kane. It's a joke.

i know what hippa means..the fans should know.
- LFS

Then you would know that it actually would be criminal to release the information

You are delusional if you think the Hawks are truly rebuilding. It's a half ass rebuild and they are wasting the last few years of Kane. It's a joke.
- bsac1192

You’re funny.

Then you would know that it actually would be criminal to release the information
- tvetter

I would want that too, but then eventually I’d probably sober up to reality.
- Ogilthorpe2

I'd give up that package for McJesus but Eichel is not that caliber of player well at least what he's shown so far.

I can't imagine the Ducks giving up BOTH Zegras and the 3rd either.

If anything the best the Hawks can offer without completely handcuffing themselves is a package like Kubalik, the 11th and one of Boquist/Beaudin. Of course the Sabres won't take it because LA will offer up a better package including Turcotte or Byfield and a pick, Rangers with Hughes or Kakko and a pick or the Ducks with Zegras or the 3rd and something else.

I agree, but a total team commitment to defense is needed, and that would be much easier to accomplish with legit 2 way centers anchoring the top two lines. It’s not all on the D-man. Toews obviously still a huge question mark at this point.


- Ogilthorpe2#wedeservetoknowthetruth!

Yeah, it would and I have been trying to hammer the point defense is a 5 man process. A lot of that will come when players are familiar and trust each other but having Toews and Dach gone for most of the season was a huge factor since both are responsible defensively. We saw flashes at times where the Hawks could do it but not near enough. They would lose their discipline and give up a poop ton of shots in a couple of minutes. Not all that unexpected with a young group of forwards.

I also think losing Shaw was very underrated. Power Play was less effective without his puck retrieval skills, and his 2 way play was never replaced this year.
- LAHawk

Not to mention they lost something in the locker room without Shaw. Maybe it was coincidence but their play struggled once he was gone.

Not to mention they lost something in the locker room without Shaw. Maybe it was coincidence but their play struggled once he was gone.
- Elbows15

No Shaw, Seabrook, Toews in the dressing room was a huge void.

The question with Eichel is his neck injury and the surgery he wants to have to correct it. No pro athlete has ever come back from such a radical surgery. When healthy he definitely one of the best 5-7 centers in the game.

I still wouldn't give up the assets to acquire him at this point. Mainly because the Hawks aren't there yet in depth of talent.

To think he isn't one of the best players, when healthy, is foolish if you ask me

Then you would know that it actually would be criminal to release the information
- tvetter

For little clarity, HIPAA doesn't actually affect what the team can disclose. It only applies to covered entities-

Covered entities include providers such as:

Doctors
Clinics
Psychologists
Dentists
Chiropractors
Nursing Homes
Pharmacies

Of course these covered entities cannot release information to the Hawks organization without facing the wrath of the OCR.

No Shaw, Seabrook, Toews in the dressing room was a huge void.
- LAHawk

Especially since the 1st 2 mentioned are the vocal types. Keith and Toews have never been the vocal types. I really believe Kane lost something without having Shaw around. Shaw is the kind of guy who makes it fun even when you are struggling.

No one else had the cache to kick Kane in the ass without those guys.

I'd give up that package for McJesus but Eichel is not that caliber of player well at least what he's shown so far.

I can't imagine the Ducks giving up BOTH Zegras and the 3rd either.

If anything the best the Hawks can offer without completely handcuffing themselves is a package like Kubalik, the 11th and one of Boquist/Beaudin. Of course the Sabres won't take it because LA will offer up a better package including Turcotte or Byfield and a pick, Rangers with Hughes or Kakko and a pick or the Ducks with Zegras or the 3rd and something else.
- Popsghostly

Not sure I’d do it for anyone, McJesus included. At least not with the rest of the roster the way it is currently constructed. In a hard cap world, and for less $, I think it may be better to have three potential all-star types, than one superstar with no supporting cast. It’s not like the team is one piece (no matter how good that piece is) away from contending.

Not sure I’d do it for anyone, McJesus included. At least not with the rest of the roster the way it is currently constructed. In a hard cap world, and for less $, I think it may be better to have three potential all-star types, than one superstar with no supporting cast. It’s not like the team is one piece (no matter how good that piece is) away from contending.
- Ogilthorpe2[/img]

I totally agree with you Ogi. I'd do that if we had to trade a package like that in a scenario, to examine worth. Just look at the Oilers with 2 superstars and some semistars and no results.

I would suspect Stan does know the Toews situation 100%.
- rpeters01

Does he know if he is John Doe, and told not to play until there are resolutions?

Does he know if he is John Doe, and told not to play until there are resolutions?
- wiz1901

That certainly is an interesting take.

All of those who are about to get on your soap box and start to lecture on privacy, "Relax Francis" its a hockey discussion board, not a court room.

The question with Eichel is his neck injury and the surgery he wants to have to correct it. No pro athlete has ever come back from such a radical surgery. When healthy he definitely one of the best 5-7 centers in the game.

I still wouldn't give up the assets to acquire him at this point. Mainly because the Hawks aren't there yet in depth of talent.

To think he isn't one of the best players, when healthy, is foolish if you ask me
- Elbows15

IIRC, no pro athlete has ever gotten that surgery - I think it’s an artificial disk put in. Or something like that.

He’ll be 25 when next season starts - young enough still to go after if the price is right. But since he’s been part of a rebuild at Buffalo for the past six seasons, why would he want to come here, knowing it would be another 3 plus years before Cup competition would be available? (He has a NMC after next season - and could certainly put the kabosh on any deal before then.)

That certainly is an interesting take.

All of those who are about to get on your soap box and start to lecture on privacy, "Relax Francis" its a hockey discussion board, not a court room.
- vabeachbear

If you’re being serious, think about it: 2010 was already Toews’ third year in the league, he was captain, an all-star - do you really think he’s the kind of young player that Aldrich would have gone after?

Does he know if he is John Doe, and told not to play until there are resolutions?
- wiz1901

You really are stretching the bounds of credibility here. First it was ALS and now this? Do you honestly believe it Toews was one of the players involved the team would have been hush hush about it? Or Toews, who has been known to be outspoken about other issues, would have kept it quiet for 11 years?

Come on. We will all find out in due time what the issue was or we won't.

IIRC, no pro athlete has ever gotten that surgery - I think it’s an artificial disk put in. Or something like that.

He’ll be 25 when next season starts - young enough still to go after if the price is right. But since he’s been part of a rebuild at Buffalo for the past six seasons, why would he want to come here, knowing it would be another 3 plus years before Cup competition would be available? (He has a NMC after next season - and could certainly put the kabosh on any deal before then.)
- StLBravesFan

He has no say in where he is traded other than sitting out. Comparing the organization in Buffalo to the Hawks is ridiculous.

How many NHL player ever really come back from back/neck issues? Not many. It is considered a risky surgery, yeah yeah, and the team doctors in Buffalo won't even approve the procedure.

You really are stretching the bounds of credibility here. First it was ALS and now this? Do you honestly believe it Toews was one of the players involved the team would have been hush hush about it? Or Toews, who has been known to be outspoken about other issues, would have kept it quiet for 11 years?

Come on. We will all find out in due time what the issue was or we won't.
- Elbows15

We deserve to know!

For little clarity, HIPAA doesn't actually affect what the team can disclose. It only applies to covered entities-

Covered entities include providers such as:

Doctors
Clinics
Psychologists
Dentists
Chiropractors
Nursing Homes
Pharmacies

Of course these covered entities cannot release information to the Hawks organization without facing the wrath of the OCR.
- Popsghostly

Actually it does cover the Hawks. If Toews went to an outside MD first, and that MD then provided any information to the Hawks and their medical staff, then the Hawks would be the covered entity subject to HIPAA regulations, and therefore could not disclose any learned information unless given right to do so. If Toews first went to the Hawks and their medical staff first, unless they had a signed stmt from Toews granting them permission to disclose the information publicly, then it would be illegal for them to release it. In either case, regardless of which side becomes the "covered entity", disclosure without Toews permission would be a violation.

Regardless of any of this, what makes anyone think that being a fan gives you the "right" to know anything. Buying a ticket, watching a game, buying souvenirs, being a season ticket holder, betting on games, etc., none of it gives you any right to any personal, medical, or even day to day lineup information.

We deserve to know!
- Ogilthorpe2

Well one clue is weather he is protected in the expansion draft or he is considered exempt because he is deemed unfit to play.

We deserve to know!
- Ogilthorpe2

he is taking his act on the road and infested the Habs' thread.

he is taking his act on the road and infested the Habs' thread.
- Elbows15

That’s a shame.