Actually it does cover the Hawks. If Toews went to an outside MD first, and that MD then provided any information to the Hawks and their medical staff, then the Hawks would be the covered entity subject to HIPAA regulations, and therefore could not disclose any learned information unless given right to do so. If Toews first went to the Hawks and their medical staff first, unless they had a signed stmt from Toews granting them permission to disclose the information publicly, then it would be illegal for them to release it. In either case, regardless of which side becomes the "covered entity", disclosure without Toews permission would be a violation.

Regardless of any of this, what makes anyone think that being a fan gives you the "right" to know anything. Buying a ticket, watching a game, buying souvenirs, being a season ticket holder, betting on games, etc., none of it gives you any right to any personal, medical, or even day to day lineup information.
- TheTrob

Correct. The devil is in the details. The Hawks medical staff slipped the calculation. If the Hawks have employed medical staff that provided treatment to Tazer, then they are a covered entity in either situation for that medical information, which would include a team physician giving treatment to Tazer based on information received from another provider.

However, if outside professionals have given treatment to Tazer and not shared the information with medical professionals on staff with the Hawks giving treatment to Tazer, and management receives this information with Tazer's consent, then the Hawks are not a covered entity in this situation.

Agree, no one has the right to know this information, especially the fans.

Correct. The devil is in the details. The Hawks medical staff slipped the calculation. If the Hawks have medical staff that provided treatment to Tazer, then they are a covered entity in either situation for that medical information, which would include a team physician giving treatment to Tazer based on information received from another provider.

However, if outside professionals have given treatment to Tazer and not shared the information with medical professionals on staff with the Hawks giving treatment to Tazer, and management receives this information with Tazer's consent, then the Hawks are not a covered entity in this situation.

Agree, no one has the right to know this information, especially the fans.
- Popsghostly

Darren Dreger knows!!! (red font)
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Darren Dreger knows!!!
- LAHawk

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Darren Dreger knows!!! (red font)

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Ha ha, LA.

Here's a question which I don't know. Do the Hawks employ a doctor? Or do they always have a doctor on call who is not an employee of the Hawks. That's another set of factors that affects the HIPAA application analysis. If they are all outside the Hawks, then likely HIPAA won't apply.

You really are stretching the bounds of credibility here. First it was ALS and now this? Do you honestly believe it Toews was one of the players involved the team would have been hush hush about it? Or Toews, who has been known to be outspoken about other issues, would have kept it quiet for 11 years?

Come on. We will all find out in due time what the issue was or we won't.
- Elbows15

I think the article about that story said the player was no longer with the Hawks organization too. But maybe i'm wrong

That certainly is an interesting take.

All of those who are about to get on your soap box and start to lecture on privacy, "Relax Francis" its a hockey discussion board, not a court room.
- vabeachbear

Ha ha, LA.

Here's a question which I don't know. Do the Hawks employ a doctor? Or do they always have a doctor on call who is not an employee of the Hawks. That's another set of factors that affects the HIPAA application analysis. If they are all outside the Hawks, then likely HIPAA won't apply.
- Popsghostly

And another HIPAA factor- not only do the Hawks have to have a covered entity (doctor, medical service provider) providing treatment to a player, for HIPAA to apply, under 45 CFR § 160.102, that healthcare provider must be:

(3) A health care provider who transmits any health information in electronic form in connection with a transaction covered by this subchapter.

Under 45 CFR § 160.103, a transaction is:

Transaction means the transmission of information between two parties to carry out financial or administrative activities related to health care. It includes the following types of information transmissions:

(1) Health care claims or equivalent encounter information.
(2) Health care payment and remittance advice.
(3) Coordination of benefits.
(4) Health care claim status.
(5) Enrollment and disenrollment in a health plan.
(6) Eligibility for a health plan.
(7) Health plan premium payments.
(8) Referral certification and authorization.
(9) First report of injury.
(10) Health claims attachments.
(11) Health care electronic funds transfers (EFT) and remittance advice.
(12) Other transactions that the Secretary may prescribe by regulation.

Minus all of these billing functions, it sounds less and less like HIPAA is applicable to the Hawks as an organization.

Does he know if he is John Doe, and told not to play until there are resolutions?
- wiz1901

Wiz- wasn't John Doe a former player? Tazer is employed with the Hawks, no?

I think the article about that story said the player was no longer with the Hawks organization too. But maybe i'm wrong
- GPHawksfan

It did. The story mentioned he was out of the organization the next season, IIRC.

No, we can only watch educational TV like Dynasty Duck and Dr. Pimple Popper eh!
- paulr

That's some good chit.

You really are stretching the bounds of credibility here. First it was ALS and now this? Do you honestly believe it Toews was one of the players involved the team would have been hush hush about it? Or Toews, who has been known to be outspoken about other issues, would have kept it quiet for 11 years?

Come on. We will all find out in due time what the issue was or we won't.
- Elbows15

I do not think anything about Toews...both were brought to me. Yesterday evening I got a text asking me if..."Think Toews was one of players suing the Hawks after video coach ssex assaulted him and was told not to play?"

I said I dunno.

But....couldn't the hawks sit him out just like the do teachers are taken out of the school, classroom, while allegations are investigated.

But...there are lots of folks that need time to see they were "used" and finally decide to do something about it.
Maybe you want to take stand but being a John Doe simplifies it.

I don't care, elbows, really...even if Toews comes back. They are not challenging until after he is retired anyway.

It did. The story mentioned he was out of the organization the next season, IIRC.
- Elbows15

Yeah and about ten blogs back I thought we kinda got it down to who it might be.

Were there not TWO persons around the video guy, not just one?

Go read the Sabres board. Someone is suggesting Dach, Reichel and the 11th (and Shaw's K) for Eichel as what they'd want. Good fun.

Is it even clear his neck injury isn't something serious?
- Popsghostly

Actually, that's not much different than what our fans think Kane would be worth to Buffalo!

I would want that too, but then eventually I’d probably sober up to reality.
- Ogilthorpe2

No different than what we think Kane is worth to them...

Not sure I’d do it for anyone, McJesus included. At least not with the rest of the roster the way it is currently constructed. In a hard cap world, and for less $, I think it may be better to have three potential all-star types, than one superstar with no supporting cast. It’s not like the team is one piece (no matter how good that piece is) away from contending.
- Ogilthorpe2

Yup!
PS. I'm not one for long posts.

Does he know if he is John Doe, and told not to play until there are resolutions?
- wiz1901

Nobody can say for sure what Stan knows. In my opinion he knows and has always known.

You really are stretching the bounds of credibility here. First it was ALS and now this? Do you honestly believe it Toews was one of the players involved the team would have been hush hush about it? Or Toews, who has been known to be outspoken about other issues, would have kept it quiet for 11 years?

Come on. We will all find out in due time what the issue was or we won't.
- Elbows15

Still say he's pregnant. Explains the lack of energy.

He has no say in where he is traded other than sitting out. Comparing the organization in Buffalo to the Hawks is ridiculous.

How many NHL player ever really come back from back/neck issues? Not many. It is considered a risky surgery, yeah yeah, and the team doctors in Buffalo won't even approve the procedure.
- Elbows15

Not NHL but Peyton Manning.

Eichel is a very good player. Some injury history but certainly more tools there than Dach has.

If the ask is Dach + first + roster player that seems not outrageous.

Ryan O'Rielly was a team cancer in two places and then a cup winner and ultimate every-man player with leadership qualities and crap in St Louis.

Buffalo seems like a horribly run franchise so its tough to gauge player attitude there.

Fixed.
- Ogilthorpe2

JJ knows from a source.

Ha ha, LA.

Here's a question which I don't know. Do the Hawks employ a doctor? Or do they always have a doctor on call who is not an employee of the Hawks. That's another set of factors that affects the HIPAA application analysis. If they are all outside the Hawks, then likely HIPAA won't apply.
- Popsghostly

Dr Michael Terry who Eddy and Pat have mentioned numerous times.

Not NHL but Peyton Manning.
- rpeters01

Crosby had a significant neck operation.

Dr Michael Terry who Eddy and Pat have mentioned numerous times.
- fattybeef

Is he an employee of the Hawks?

Eichel is a very good player. Some injury history but certainly more tools there than Dach has.

If the ask is Dach + first + roster player that seems not outrageous.

Ryan O'Rielly was a team cancer in two places and then a cup winner and ultimate every-man player with leadership qualities and crap in St Louis.

Buffalo seems like a horribly run franchise so its tough to gauge player attitude there.
- fattybeef

What does roster player mean here? If Strome, yes. If Kubalik, no.

I'd be worried for neck injury procedure he wants.

Speaking of O-Reilly, look who was part of the trade for him:

June 26, 2015: Traded by the Colorado Avalanche with Jamie McGinn to the Buffalo Sabres for 2nd round draft pick in 2015 (later traded to San Jose - San Jose selected Jeremy Roy), J.T. Compher, Mikhail Grigorenko and Nikita Zadorov.

None other than Big Z.

Crosby had a significant neck operation.
- fattybeef

I'm pretty sure he hasn't . He's had concussions but no neck surgery. Wrist, core muscle and broken jaw surgery I believe.