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sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Jun 21 @ 4:59 PM ET
Interesting.

In their draft year Dach was always rated higher than Zegras, and the draft played out that way.
Kirby is a 2C with 82 gms played in Chicago at age 20-1/2 now. He is still very young.
IMO, if he is 't a 1C, then you would have to question Byfield and Zegras there too.
I would put him ahead of Zegras, which is no slight on him..he is very good too.

I love Byfield as well.

Can't go wrong with any three IMO.

- IonSabres

Yeah I think he's good don't get me wrong, I sort of view all of them as elite 2C ceilings with Byfield being a possible 1C.


Anderdog
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 03.17.2021

Jun 21 @ 5:01 PM ET
Minn: Eichel Olofsson
Buff: 1st Rossi Boldy Greenway

- Buff36


Ya that do it for me
SDSabre
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 02.05.2014

Jun 21 @ 5:01 PM ET
Minn: Eichel Olofsson
Buff: 1st Rossi Boldy Greenway

- Buff36


I would do that. Don't know if Minny would.
Hank Balling
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 05.18.2021

Jun 21 @ 5:02 PM ET
I Appreciate your opinion ☝️

Anahiem just doesnt make sense to me.
They are not an "eichel" away from competing with Colorado or vegas. Especially the next 5 years of eichels contract.

Chicago or la ? Maybe ? Maybe eichel gets you 10 more wins?

La/chic adds eichel, parting with byfield/ dach - 2 guys with little impact on last year's team. A 2021 1st pick (no impact for 2/3 years) a 3rd liner and a cap dump.

- Boss34


LA can say they're not interested in Eichel but I guarantee Rob Blake is daydreaming about an Eichel/Kopitar 1-2 punch


Buff36
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 10.13.2019

Jun 21 @ 5:03 PM ET
I would do that. Don't know if Minny would.
- SDSabre

They might lose Greenway in the Expansion draft, hell throw them Montreal's 3rd.
Boss34
Buffalo Sabres
Location: BUFFALO , NY
Joined: 12.03.2015

Jun 21 @ 5:05 PM ET
LA can say they're not interested in Eichel but I guarantee Rob Blake is daydreaming about an Eichel/Kopitar 1-2 punch
- Hank Balling


For sure.

Especially having to go thru Colorado and vegas for the next few years.

Byfield, 2021 1st, iafolo and a cap dump (quick)

Eichel and bryson
Hank Balling
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 05.18.2021

Jun 21 @ 5:07 PM ET
For sure.

Especially having to go thru Colorado and vegas for the next few years.

Byfield, 2021 1st, iafolo and a cap dump (quick)

Eichel and bryson

- Boss34


If I were Rob Blake, I would make that deal and never look back
IonSabres
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I said that months ago, keep up!, FL
Joined: 03.10.2013

Jun 21 @ 5:13 PM ET
I Appreciate your opinion ☝️

Anahiem just doesnt make sense to me.
They are not an "eichel" away from competing with Colorado or vegas. Especially the next 5 years of eichels contract.

Chicago or la ? Maybe ? Maybe eichel gets you 10 more wins?

La/chic adds eichel, parting with byfield/ dach - 2 guys with little impact on last year's team. A 2021 1st pick (no impact for 2/3 years) a 3rd liner and a cap dump.

- Boss34


This is your best post in some time.
Agree with you.
Anaheim isnt that close to go all in and gut their future.
Chicago was in a tough division and hung in there...getting Eichel kicks it up a notch or two for the next 2 or so seasons to fit Kane and Taves timeline better.
LA is more than Eichel away, but have said they want to add 2 top 6 F and a blueliner... 3 players could help them quite a bit.

Great post.
Hank Balling
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 05.18.2021

Jun 21 @ 5:14 PM ET
For sure.

Especially having to go thru Colorado and vegas for the next few years.

Byfield, 2021 1st, iafolo and a cap dump (quick)

Eichel and bryson

- Boss34


This would similar to a hypothetical trade in 2019 of Mittlestadt, the pick that became Cozens, Jake McCabe and Okposo for Auston Matthews


inb4 EiChEl IsNt MaTTheWs

I think it's an eminently reasonable deal for both sides
Hank Balling
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 05.18.2021

Jun 21 @ 5:21 PM ET
Yeah I think he's good don't get me wrong, I sort of view all of them as elite 2C ceilings with Byfield being a possible 1C.
- sbroads24


This is why the concept of untouchable prospects in an Eichel trade is utter hogwash. The Sabres are getting an unproven commodity and and a second-tier first rounder for Jack Eichel and that's considered too rich?

Gtfo

If that's truly the market, I'd love KA to come out and say "we're not getting reasonable offers"
IonSabres
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I said that months ago, keep up!, FL
Joined: 03.10.2013

Jun 21 @ 5:27 PM ET
Rossi and Fiala/Boldy would be a good start as they don't have the draft capital that others do for sure.. But still a good start nonetheless.
- SDSabre


Go with
Rossi, Boldy and Fiala.
SDSabre
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 02.05.2014

Jun 21 @ 5:32 PM ET
Go with
Rossi, Boldy and Fiala.

- IonSabres


I mean, sure?

Guerin has also stated that he's not going to trade futures. So my guess is any call he makes is to try and get a panic move out of KA shipping Eichel west.
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Jun 21 @ 5:32 PM ET
This is why the concept of untouchable prospects in an Eichel trade is utter hogwash. The Sabres are getting an unproven commodity and and a second-tier first rounder for Jack Eichel and that's considered too rich?

Gtfo

If that's truly the market, I'd love KA to come out and say "we're not getting reasonable offers"

- Hank Balling

Agreed.

There's also a faction of Sabres twitter who have crying sessions over the ROR return on a weekly basis, convincing themselves a "volume package" from Anaheim, that doesn't include Zegras or Drysdale can work out.

It's crazy to me. You want Eichel, you're two best assets (not prime roster players) are mine
jochfr
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Nashville , TN
Joined: 07.11.2009

Jun 21 @ 5:45 PM ET
Agreed.

There's also a faction of Sabres twitter who have crying sessions over the ROR return on a weekly basis, convincing themselves a "volume package" from Anaheim, that doesn't include Zegras or Drysdale can work out.

It's crazy to me. You want Eichel, you're two best assets (not prime roster players) are mine

- sbroads24

You'll get nothing and like it.
Wetbandit1
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Unpopular opinion (i think): The best Die Hard movie is the 4th one- Live free or Die Hard -jdfitz7, NY
Joined: 10.07.2010

Jun 21 @ 5:45 PM ET
Agreed.

There's also a faction of Sabres twitter who have crying sessions over the ROR return on a weekly basis, convincing themselves a "volume package" from Anaheim, that doesn't include Zegras or Drysdale can work out.

It's crazy to me. You want Eichel, you're two best assets (not prime roster players) are mine

- sbroads24


Does Anaheim even have one, let alone two, of those?

I like(d) Rakell, but he's been going downhill for 3 seasons now.
IonSabres
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I said that months ago, keep up!, FL
Joined: 03.10.2013

Jun 21 @ 5:47 PM ET
Agreed.

There's also a faction of Sabres twitter who have crying sessions over the ROR return on a weekly basis, convincing themselves a "volume package" from Anaheim, that doesn't include Zegras or Drysdale can work out.

It's crazy to me. You want Eichel, you're two best assets (not prime roster players) are mine

- sbroads24


Now you're talking.
3 to 4 premium assets, depending on each asset.
A draft pick higher than 9 or 10 decreases in value for me...3 and 5 are relatively equal, as are 8 & 9.
You can still get good players at 8 & 9..maybe not your preference..so they decrease in value from 3 & 5. At 10, your into another tier
IMO of course.

To me, Dach, Byfield and Zegras are relatively equals. Step down to say Zary, as good as he is; requires an uplift in other pieces.

Hence why all this is 3 or 4 pieces.

Give me as main pieces..each plus 1 more good asset
Byfield & 8,
Zegras & 3,
Dach, 11 & Reichel (11 really hurts the total value, need 3 then)
Rossi, Boldy, Fiala (Minn at pick 22 really depresses the value of that pick, but I'll take it as the 4th piece)

Want to move Cap...that costs extra.
3rd GM's the charm
Columbus Blue Jackets
Location: Look, it's a situation where thats a great question, OH
Joined: 07.01.2020

Jun 21 @ 5:47 PM ET
looking for a good place for darts on elmwood for friday..

mcgarrets? goodbar? Sports city?

- TheSabresTaco

Goodbar (frank)ing sucks
3rd GM's the charm
Columbus Blue Jackets
Location: Look, it's a situation where thats a great question, OH
Joined: 07.01.2020

Jun 21 @ 5:49 PM ET
https://youtu.be/t-6StBXMl58

Dave Chappelle with foo fighters doing radiohead creep

- Anderdog



Hank Balling
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 05.18.2021

Jun 21 @ 5:49 PM ET
Now you're talking.
3 to 4 premium assets, depending on each asset.
A draft pick higher than 9 or 10 decreases in value for me...3 and 5 are relatively equal, as are 8 & 9.
You can still get good players at 8 & 9..maybe not your preference..so they decrease in value from 3 & 5. At 10, your into another tier
IMO of course.

To me, Dach, Byfield and Zegras are relatively equals. Step down to say Zary, as good as he is; requires an uplift in other pieces.

Hence why all this is 3 or 4 pieces.

Give me as main pieces..each plus 1 more good asset
Byfield & 8,
Zegras & 3,
Dach, 11 & Reichel (11 really hurts the total value, need 3 then)
Rossi, Boldy, Fiala (Minn at pick 22 really depresses the value of that pick, but I'll take it as the 4th piece)

Want to move Cap...that costs extra.

- IonSabres


3rd GM's the charm
Columbus Blue Jackets
Location: Look, it's a situation where thats a great question, OH
Joined: 07.01.2020

Jun 21 @ 5:52 PM ET


how can this happen? a black, white supremacist

- Michael Pachla

Did you seriously never see that?
Buff36
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 10.13.2019

Jun 21 @ 5:52 PM ET
looking for a good place for darts on elmwood for friday..

mcgarrets? goodbar? Sports city?

- TheSabresTaco

Thirsty Buffalo
IonSabres
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I said that months ago, keep up!, FL
Joined: 03.10.2013

Jun 21 @ 5:54 PM ET

- Hank Balling


See if he'll pay
Three-fity
Fattony1187
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 02.12.2015

Jun 21 @ 5:56 PM ET

- Hank Balling



A team would be taking 10 mill in salary trading for Eichel. I don’t think a cap dump would cost extra, it would be necessary to complete the trade and be built in
Boss34
Buffalo Sabres
Location: BUFFALO , NY
Joined: 12.03.2015

Jun 21 @ 5:58 PM ET
Now you're talking.
3 to 4 premium assets, depending on each asset.
A draft pick higher than 9 or 10 decreases in value for me...3 and 5 are relatively equal, as are 8 & 9.
You can still get good players at 8 & 9..maybe not your preference..so they decrease in value from 3 & 5. At 10, your into another tier
IMO of course.

To me, Dach, Byfield and Zegras are relatively equals. Step down to say Zary, as good as he is; requires an uplift in other pieces.

Hence why all this is 3 or 4 pieces.

Give me as main pieces..each plus 1 more good asset
Byfield & 8,
Zegras & 3,
Dach, 11 & Reichel (11 really hurts the total value, need 3 then)
Rossi, Boldy, Fiala (Minn at pick 22 really depresses the value of that pick, but I'll take it as the 4th piece)

Want to move Cap...that costs extra.

- IonSabres


This is probably your best post since noon. 😉

Seems like a formula for success.

High end already drafted 20ish year old
Top 5 / 10 2021 pick
Nhl player/ forward who is young with some grit / upside
Cap dump / hopefully useful veteran with character

Hank Balling
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 05.18.2021

Jun 21 @ 6:00 PM ET
A team would be taking 10 mill in salary trading for Eichel. I don’t think a cap dump would cost extra, it would be necessary to complete the trade and be built in
- Fattony1187


Depends if the player has any value. If it's a good player with a sizable contract, that would lessen the return elsewhere. Berglund and Sobotka is $2
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