girard suck, tho
- Gramps28

doesn't matter though, he's French Canadian, that's all that matters to some

doesn't matter though, he's French Canadian, that's all that matters to some
- Symba007

You and Gramps suck

You need to do it another way or change how salary is paid. Every penny of a player's salary is paid strictly for regular season play. Playoffs is just bobus bonus money (which if in a contract for things like winning titles or Conn's need to be included in salary cap either the season they are earned or carried over to the next year). As such you can't penalize a team in the playoffs for theoretically being over a cap that doesn't exist in the playoffs
- Takemedrunkimhome

that's kind of the point of the whole conversation. I get that salary is based on the regular season, and I'm not saying the ceiling should be exactly the same for the playoffs, but imposing a certain limit to avoid huge fluctuations and possible "cheating" with fake injuries simply makes sense

that's kind of the point of the whole conversation. I get that salary is based on the regular season, and I'm not saying the ceiling should be exactly the same for the playoffs, but imposing a certain limit to avoid huge fluctuations and possible "cheating" with fake injuries simply makes sense
- Pat1993

The cap is designed to be fair to both teams AND players. It's an accounting tool as much as a competitive one, designed to ensure a 50/50 split of hockey related revenue while preventing rich teams from over spending to win and poor teams from under spending in order to be profitable. Since several teams don't make the playoffs it becomes very challenging to account for revenue in contracts with that disparity and that's before looking at the fact playoff teams want/need expanded rosters due to injuries.

Is there a way to do it? Sure. My point is simply that as is currently setup there isn't and if people don't like it they need to change the rules. If the rules are going to be changed I guarantee it won't be easy and it likely will bring on another labour war

that's kind of the point of the whole conversation. I get that salary is based on the regular season, and I'm not saying the ceiling should be exactly the same for the playoffs, but imposing a certain limit to avoid huge fluctuations and possible "cheating" with fake injuries simply makes sense
- Pat1993

You just have to remove the $$ saved agaisnt the cap when players are injured and say it has to be respected in the playoffs as well.

that's kind of the point of the whole conversation. I get that salary is based on the regular season, and I'm not saying the ceiling should be exactly the same for the playoffs, but imposing a certain limit to avoid huge fluctuations and possible "cheating" with fake injuries simply makes sense
- Pat1993

players are not paid during the playoffs, so no cap

if you want a cap there, then part of their salary would need to be deliver then

can't see it happening

I think a simple amendment to the rules would suffice to close the loophole the LTIR exist so that teams who suffer a season ending injury are not handicaped and can still have $82 M of talent on the roster. All that needs to be said is that to protect a level field, this upper limit of $82 millions still aplies to your roster for the playoffs and that at the start of the playoffs, each team can pick whichever players they want on their roster to be used during the postseason. So with the Lightning for example, they could have brought back Kucherov ($9.5M) but at the expense of say Johnson ($5 M) and Yanni Gourde ($5.1 M) they would leave money on the table but not our fault if they dont have 2 contracts that add up to $9.5 M

The cap is designed to be fair to both teams AND players. It's an accounting tool as much as a competitive one, designed to ensure a 50/50 split of hockey related revenue while preventing rich teams from over spending to win and poor teams from under spending in order to be profitable. Since several teams don't make the playoffs it becomes very challenging to account for revenue in contracts with that disparity and that's before looking at the fact playoff teams want/need expanded rosters due to injuries.

Is there a way to do it? Sure. My point is simply that as is currently setup there isn't and if people don't like it they need to change the rules. If the rules are going to be changed I guarantee it won't be easy and it likely will bring on another labour war
- Takemedrunkimhome

not sure why it would be so complicated, perhaps you're right, I guess we'll see if there's actual talk about it across the league in the off-season.

not sure why it would be so complicated, perhaps you're right, I guess we'll see if there's actual talk about it across the league in the off-season.
- Pat1993

Veterans players won't agree because it will limit them being traded at the deadline to a playoff team that has a shot to win the cup.

You and Gramps suck
- Fredobbface

nowhere close to girard, tho

not sure why it would be so complicated, perhaps you're right, I guess we'll see if there's actual talk about it across the league in the off-season.
- Pat1993

When billions of dollars are on the line it becomes complicated. It always does. If the "league" insists they want this any smart negotiator for the "PA" will insist on some sort of concessions. What is the league willing to give to get this? My guess...a big fat wad of jack poop...thus labour war

players are not paid during the playoffs, so no cap

if you want a cap there, then part of their salary would need to be deliver then

can't see it happening
- deadpoulet

that doesn't prevent organizations and players to agree on a certain limit for the playoffs. it would be kind of silly to just say "oh well, we can't do anything about it, so we're gonna let teams do whatever the (frank) they want".

that doesn't prevent organizations and players to agree on a certain limit for the playoffs. it would be kind of silly to just say "oh well, we can't do anything about it, so we're gonna let teams do whatever the (frank) they want".
- Pat1993

They can change the rules. See my previous post, would require a cba amendment but can be done

I think a simple amendment to the rules would suffice to close the loophole the LTIR exist so that teams who suffer a season ending injury are not handicaped and can still have $82 M of talent on the roster. All that needs to be said is that to protect a level field, this upper limit of $82 millions still aplies to your roster for the playoffs and that at the start of the playoffs, each team can pick whichever players they want on their roster to be used during the postseason. So with the Lightning for example, they could have brought back Kucherov ($9.5M) but at the expense of say Johnson ($5 M) and Yanni Gourde ($5.1 M) they would leave money on the table but not our fault if they dont have 2 contracts that add up to $9.5 M
- Karine Hains

So kill the trade deadline?

Veterans players won't agree because it will limit them being traded at the deadline to a playoff team that has a shot to win the cup.
- Fredobbface

I don't think it's necessarily a question of not giving any margin whatsoever for teams to play with, but at least making sure that there are no flagrant exaggerations.

You need to do it another way or change how salary is paid. Every penny of a player's salary is paid strictly for regular season play. Playoffs is just bonus money (which if in a contract for things like winning titles or Conn's need to be included in salary cap either the season they are earned or carried over to the next year). As such you can't penalize a team in the playoffs for theoretically being over a cap that doesn't exist in the playoffs
- Takemedrunkimhome

where i disagree with your argument is equating paid salary to the cap as a concept. the cap exists, in theory, to level the playing field so that wealthy teams cannot just load up on star players. so why would that not apply to the playoffs?

i think the simple solution is apply an overage cap for post season roster. so your cumulative cap hit can't go more than say 10% over the cap for that year. if you're over, you need to drop salary from your playoff roster until you're compliant.

so basically, yes, cap the playoffs.

They can change the rules. See my previous post, would require a cba amendment but can be done
- Karine Hains

yeah, I 100% agree with what you're saying. but apparently it would be very complicated and could lead to a labor war, not sure about that, all I know is the league and players should try to find some sort of solution, status quo isn't really ideal imho.

had another GREAT run

currently drinking a BAFC

When billions of dollars are on the line it becomes complicated. It always does. If the "league" insists they want this any smart negotiator for the "PA" will insist on some sort of concessions. What is the league willing to give to get this? My guess...a big fat wad of jack poop...thus labour war
- Takemedrunkimhome

Why would the PA complain? Its more jobs/salary to players. It was an unique situation this season because of the shorten schedule. CI have a feeling if it was a full 82 game season, TB would have had to do some paring of its roster to get under the cap. The league has to OK LTIR usage. A team can't just say a guy isn't ready and its okay. The league examines the medicals and approves the use of LTIR.

The Hawks had to wait a couple of months before the league examined all the medicals on Hossa's condition before finally allowing Hossa to go on LTIR.

They can change the rules. See my previous post, would require a cba amendment but can be done
- Karine Hains

Amending the cba is always so easy and peaceful...

where i disagree with your argument is equating paid salary to the cap as a concept. the cap exists, in theory, to level the playing field so that wealthy teams cannot just load up on star players. so why would that not apply to the playoffs?

i think the simple solution is apply an overage cap for post season roster. so your cumulative cap hit can't go more than say 10% over the cap for that year. if you're over, you need to drop salary from your playoff roster until you're compliant.

so basically, yes, cap the playoffs.
- DoubleDown

It's not my argument. It's the agreed cba and how salary IS paid based on that agreement

had another GREAT run
- SeinfeldvNewman

oh thank god

Why would the PA complain? Its more jobs/salary to players. It was an unique situation this season because of the shorten schedule. CI have a feeling if it was a full 82 game season, TB would have had to do some paring of its roster to get under the cap. The league has to OK LTIR usage. A team can't just say a guy isn't ready and its okay. The league examines the medicals and approves the use of LTIR.

The Hawks had to wait a couple of months before the league examined all the medicals on Hossa's condition before finally allowing Hossa to go on LTIR.
- Gramps28

The PA would see an opportunity to get more as any negotiator would. You never give something for nothing. Ever

oh thank god
- kicksave856

talking about coffee and runs is way less repetitive