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Steven_Seagull
Joined: 03.03.2016

Jun 22 @ 3:53 PM ET
Don't disagree with the list of 20-25. Marner has a NTC meaning he would only be willing to go to teams on that list. That's only one limiting factor. Doubt very much that the Leafs would trade their top scorer for futures even if he was a bag of sh!t in the playoffs. So Garnier : Name a player of equal value that Marner could be traded for? Again wanting to trade for Marner does not equate to being able to trade for Marner.
- winsix



Marner does not have a NTC.
winsix
Season Ticket Holder
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Henry Hudson's Fairchild 24 South Porcupine
Joined: 04.03.2016

Jun 22 @ 3:54 PM ET
Can you quantify what "winning a trade" with Marner means? You mean, getting the single best player in the deal?
- mjones242


Yes getting the best player in a trade means winning a trade to me. For example in 1992 when Toronto made that trade with Calgary, Gilmour was hands down the best player in the deal. The Leafs actually got Jamie Macoun - the second best player in the deal. Leafs fleeced the Flames, trading Leeman (who was rumored to be plooking Iafrate's wife) and a plug named Craig Berube.

Its a little different in the cap era though, winning a trade also involves moving salaries. Because Marner is the second highest paid winger in hockey trading a winger to Toronto of equal value would probably mean Toronto either eats salary or takes back a bad contract. Likley a losing deal as well. Much harder to evalutate if Marner were to be traded for a d-man though.

It summer talk though, doubt very much Marner is moved.
winsix
Season Ticket Holder
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Henry Hudson's Fairchild 24 South Porcupine
Joined: 04.03.2016

Jun 22 @ 3:54 PM ET
Marner does not have a NTC.
- Steven_Seagull


my bad

gergeswillems
Detroit Red Wings
Location: Malkin wants to be The Man, ON
Joined: 02.01.2016

Jun 22 @ 3:54 PM ET
Bertuzzi, Fabbri and Moritz Seider, Caps 1st.
- PatC80

We're done here.
mjones242
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Pretentious Beer Snob, ON
Joined: 06.22.2015

Jun 22 @ 3:55 PM ET
on a positive note

springer is back. Lets hope its for the rest of the season

- senstroll

Shatkins need to make a trade for a starting pitcher. But yes, here's hoping Springer will catch fire (and stay healthy)!
Steven_Seagull
Joined: 03.03.2016

Jun 22 @ 3:55 PM ET
my bad
- winsix



You’re now going to be included in every Marner trade proposal.
Santo_44
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 10.20.2014

Jun 22 @ 3:56 PM ET
My proposed idea was this (and yes I know, it will never happen or work but)
3 way trade.
Chi trades J Toews to team B and retains 40% of salary.
Team B trades J Toews to Leafs while team B retains 40% of remaining salary.
Leafs trade whatever to either team and Team b trades whatever to Chi.

Boom....a playoff warrior.
If he's healthy of course.



Or sign OV.

- Fakepartofme

I'd do it if he was healthy but I'd prefer Patty Kane tbh. Or Tarasenko.



Think its a creative way to add a difference maker.

Detroit would be all over it for 2 years of cap space.

Kane and Toews are interesting because their actual salaries are so low...Det would be adding cap but a low amount of actual dollars.

50% of their caps are 2.2M a season

Which could probably be sold for a 2nd(TOR) and a 3rd(CHI)
PatC80
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I would never let my children play hockey. The risk of getting drafted by Edmonton is too high", ON
Joined: 08.11.2011

Jun 22 @ 3:57 PM ET
Yes getting the best player in a trade means winning a trade to me. For example in 1992 when Toronto made that trade with Calgary, Gilmour was hands down the best player in the deal. The Leafs actually got Jamie Macoun - the second best player in the deal. Leafs fleeced the Flames, trading Leeman (who was rumored to be plooking Iafrate's wife) and a plug named Craig Berube.

Its a little different in the cap era though, winning a trade also involves moving salaries. Because Marner is the second highest paid winger in hockey trading a winger to Toronto of equal value would probably mean Toronto either eats salary or takes back a bad contract. Likley a losing deal as well. Much harder to evalutate if Marner were to be traded for a d-man though.

It summer talk though, doubt very much Marner is moved.

- winsix


We got lucky on that.. Gilmour wanted out of Calgary, because they didn't treat him very well..
PatC80
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I would never let my children play hockey. The risk of getting drafted by Edmonton is too high", ON
Joined: 08.11.2011

Jun 22 @ 3:57 PM ET
We're done here.
- gergeswillems

Garnie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 11.30.2009

Jun 22 @ 3:58 PM ET
You’re now going to be included in every Marner trade proposal.
- Steven_Seagull


Nylander - Steven Seagull for Connor Brown

Steven_Seagull
Joined: 03.03.2016

Jun 22 @ 3:59 PM ET
Nylander - Steven Seagull for Connor Brown


- Garnie



Good. I finally get out of this place and get to join the greatest hockey mind on this site.
PatC80
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I would never let my children play hockey. The risk of getting drafted by Edmonton is too high", ON
Joined: 08.11.2011

Jun 22 @ 3:59 PM ET
I'd do it if he was healthy but I'd prefer Patty Kane tbh. Or Tarasenko.



Think its a creative way to add a difference maker.

Detroit would be all over it for 2 years of cap space.

Kane and Toews are interesting because their actual salaries are so low...Det would be adding cap but a low amount of actual dollars.

50% of their caps are 2.2M a season

- Santo_44


Tarasenko is a good option.. I wonder if we can put him on LTIR even though he'll be healthy and just bring him back for the playoffs.. The Tampa method if you will.
winsix
Season Ticket Holder
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Henry Hudson's Fairchild 24 South Porcupine
Joined: 04.03.2016

Jun 22 @ 4:00 PM ET
You’re now going to be included in every Marner trade proposal.
- Steven_Seagull



gergeswillems
Detroit Red Wings
Location: Malkin wants to be The Man, ON
Joined: 02.01.2016

Jun 22 @ 4:00 PM ET
Nylander - Steven Seagull for Connor Brown


- Garnie

The Gull has a MFC. More fries clause.

spatso
Ottawa Senators
Location: jensen beach, FL
Joined: 02.19.2007

Jun 22 @ 4:01 PM ET
Perhaps it just makes sense to accept that moving Marner at this time is not a very good idea.
PatC80
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I would never let my children play hockey. The risk of getting drafted by Edmonton is too high", ON
Joined: 08.11.2011

Jun 22 @ 4:01 PM ET
The Gull has a MFC. More fries clause.
- gergeswillems



Can we talk again about Seider, or you still not ready?
Santo_44
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 10.20.2014

Jun 22 @ 4:01 PM ET
Tarasenko is a good option.. I wonder if we can put him on LTIR even though he'll be healthy and just bring him back for the playoffs.. The Tampa method if you will.
- PatC80


Tarasenko is a gamble with his injuries.

Kane would be an amazing move. Would cost a boat load though.

He is a guy that has passion for winning..CHI isnt winning anytime soon.
Steven_Seagull
Joined: 03.03.2016

Jun 22 @ 4:01 PM ET
Perhaps it just makes sense to accept that moving Marner at this time is not a very good idea.
- spatso



Spending half the cap on 4 forwards has worked well for us so far, might as well continue to do so.
Steven_Seagull
Joined: 03.03.2016

Jun 22 @ 4:02 PM ET
Tarasenko is a gamble with his injuries.

Kane would be an amazing move. Would cost a boat load though.

He is a guy that has passion for winning..CHI isnt winning anytime soon.

- Santo_44



This sounds a lot like the Doughty crap UG used to say.
Santo_44
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 10.20.2014

Jun 22 @ 4:03 PM ET
This sounds a lot like the Doughty crap UG used to say.
- Steven_Seagull


Doughty had 6 years left on his deal...not even remotely close
Skalapy
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I'm sick of your "I play real , NC
Joined: 07.11.2006

Jun 22 @ 4:03 PM ET
greedy b!tch would dominate my shinny game👍

time to trade this flyweight for Popeye Jones, poon jenner and the korpedo👍🏿
gergeswillems
Detroit Red Wings
Location: Malkin wants to be The Man, ON
Joined: 02.01.2016

Jun 22 @ 4:03 PM ET
Can we talk again about Seider, or you still not ready?
- PatC80

Seider is a non starter. He's Red Wings fans only hope right now.
PatC80
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I would never let my children play hockey. The risk of getting drafted by Edmonton is too high", ON
Joined: 08.11.2011

Jun 22 @ 4:03 PM ET
Tarasenko is a gamble with his injuries.

Kane would be an amazing move. Would cost a boat load though.

He is a guy that has passion for winning..CHI isnt winning anytime soon.

- Santo_44


we'll keep him on LTIR for the entire regular season..

Kane would be too much and would definitely cost one of the big 4.. So, with that said, I hope Marner has fun in Chicago.
Garnie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 11.30.2009

Jun 22 @ 4:03 PM ET
Good. I finally get out of this place and get to join the greatest hockey mind on this site.
- Steven_Seagull


You guys could be the 1-2 punch the Sens are needing.
mjones242
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Pretentious Beer Snob, ON
Joined: 06.22.2015

Jun 22 @ 4:03 PM ET
Yes getting the best player in a trade means winning a trade to me. For example in 1992 when Toronto made that trade with Calgary, Gilmour was hands down the best player in the deal. The Leafs actually got Jamie Macoun - the second best player in the deal. Leafs fleeced the Flames, trading Leeman (who was rumored to be plooking Iafrate's wife) and a plug named Craig Berube.

Its a little different in the cap era though, winning a trade also involves moving salaries. Because Marner is the second highest paid winger in hockey trading a winger to Toronto of equal value would probably mean Toronto either eats salary or takes back a bad contract. Likley a losing deal as well. Much harder to evalutate if Marner were to be traded for a d-man though.

It summer talk though, doubt very much Marner is moved.

- winsix

Those types of Cliff Fletcher deals aren't really a thing anymore. I mean, outside of some Chiarelli bungling, not many teams get fleeced in this era.

If the Leafs aren't getting the best player in the deal but they come out with massive cap flexibility and some other valuable assets (1st rounders, blue chip prospects) I think you can see a "win-win" possibility.

Cap flexibility means you can go after a guy like Landeskog and/or Hamilton. A picks and prospects package (coupled with a player with some salary coming back) gives you assets to work with to acquire other key ingredients.

VGK, NYI, and the Habs are making a clear case that you don't need to have a Top 5 regular season point leader to make a deep run of it. I don't see why Mitch Marner should be untouchable.

I don't think he'll get moved either... but there's a chance, especially if Mitch reads these boards and gets butthurt. To which I say: I'm doing my part.
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