Call Lou and ask why he didn't give Marner rookie bonuses in his ELC.

Raantenen did and made an extra 2.5M.

Marner would have received 3-3.5M for his bonuses.

edit:Matthews earned 9 M in bonuses on his ELC...Marner could have made an extra 9 M on his ELC but Lou said no
- Santo_44

That diatribe is old. I sympathize with Dubas' position and genuinely feel he had to get Marner signed, but paying for Lou's sins is a choice not a requirement at the end of the day.

It's not written into the CBA that he had to pay for this bonus bullpoop, tell that little puke to hold out and angle for his bonus money when he turns 25 and hits UFA.

should've drafted Hanifin
- PatC80

Should have drafted Strome. That way their cap situation would be great.

Call Lou and ask why he didn't give Marner rookie bonuses in his ELC.

Raantenen did and made an extra 2.5M.


edit:Matthews earned 9 M in bonuses on his ELC...Marner could have made an extra 9 M on his ELC but Lou said no
- Santo_44

Yup this is what screw Dubas and what made Marner want so much from what Ive read.
I believe, had Lou simply giving him the bonus, that didnt impact lou's salary, Marner may have signed for 9.5.
But we'll never know.

The Leafs have really good top end talent that played at an elite level all regular season. But they lack the depth necessary to make a deep playoff run. I don't think adding elder players on minimum salary is a winning strategy.

Leafs need bangers and strong 3rd line players if they ever hope to succeed deep into the playoffs. Their lack of depth was fully apparent to everyone in the series against Montreal. By the 7th game it appeared that the Leafs just rolled over, I think the top player were fatigued from having to carry the entire load and the bottom lines (except for Spezza) had no answers.
- spatso

the top 3 scorers were Nylander, Kerfoot and spezza.

the top line wasnt carrying the load, they just need to do thier part and its a quick series.

I dont think you watched much of the game if thats your take away

Done, if only the other team didnt have a say.
But it would be rielly +for seth
- Fakepartofme

fine.. We can add Adam Brooks and one of our Finnish prospects to satisfy Kekalainen

The current reality is that the Leafs with only 15 players under contract and just under $12 million in cap space available, that GM Kyle Dubas may be priced out of the market for pending free agent Zach Hyman if he gets over $5 million per season as has been rumored.
- mikeinbuffalo

Any team that gives Hyman a penny over $4M on a long-term contract will regret it.

For all you young'uns out there:

My nephew told me that Hyman makes about $20M a year from his e-sports team.

Questions:

- is this even close to being true?
- if so, do those obscene profits get threatened if he moves out of Toronto?

Should have drafted Strome. That way their cap situation would be great.
- AdamFrench

Too bad Arizona drafted him before we had the chance.

That diatribe is old. I sympathize with Dubas' position and genuinely feel he had to get Marner signed, but paying for Lou's sins is a choice not a requirement at the end of the day.

It's not written into the CBA that he had to pay for this bonus bullpoop, tell that little puke to hold out and angle for his bonus money when he turns 25 and hits UFA.
- joel878

Its not written but it's a standard of players of his caliber.

The man watched his teammate get paid an extra 9M in three years while producing at a similar rate.

You are going to bargain hard and there was never going to be any give back from Marner because of the bonuses.

It was all business and about getting paid not playing and he earned that after losing out on millions because of Lou.

At the end of the day it is a negotiation and if a player is willing to not play to get paid that is a strong sticking point.

I am sure most players don't want to make their team worse and lose teammates over being overpaid...Lou made it all business so Marner did as well and you can't blame him for that

Should have drafted Strome. That way their cap situation would be great.
- AdamFrench

The Leafs have really good top end talent that played at an elite level all regular season. But they lack the depth necessary to make a deep playoff run. I don't think adding elder players on minimum salary is a winning strategy.

Leafs need bangers and strong 3rd line players if they ever hope to succeed deep into the playoffs. Their lack of depth was fully apparent to everyone in the series against Montreal. By the 7th game it appeared that the Leafs just rolled over, I think the top player were fatigued from having to carry the entire load and the bottom lines (except for Spezza) had no answers.
- spatso

I think they just need their top end elite players to play like they played in the reg season

Any team that gives Hyman a penny over $4M on a long-term contract will regret it.

For all you young'uns out there:

My nephew told me that Hyman makes about $20M a year from his e-sports team.

Questions:

- is this even close to being true?
- if so, do those obscene profits get threatened if he moves out of Toronto?
- Atomic Wedgie

Yup.

Plenty of young athletes are using their name to market themselves outside of their sport. Stroman makes a poop ton of money on his side businesses as well.

2nd question probably not but it would limit himself on future opportunities.

They produced excellent results so I don't see a reason to change it.

Leafs fans complained for years about D getting results and they finally do and they still want to change it.

Take the names away, look at the stats and they did a great job.
- Santo_44

The d couldn't clear the net, how many goals were goal mouth scrambles. that is not excellent results.

Marner needs Tavares or Matthews
- PatC80

The elite few didn't know that...

They produced excellent results so I don't see a reason to change it.

Leafs fans complained for years about D getting results and they finally do and they still want to change it.

Take the names away, look at the stats and they did a great job.
- Santo_44

The d couldn't clear the net, how many goals were goal mouth scrambles. that is not excellent results.
- bobbyisno1

No different from any other playoff series on any team.

So, you could warm up to the idea of Connor Brown plus a 2nd for Marner?
- spatso

two seconds in 2021 and 1st 2022

Rantanen would struggle here. We don't have someone like Mackinnon or Landeskog, we only have Matthews and Tavares and Nylander
- PatC80

I see what you did there.

If Duby is swinging for the fenced on a player...is P.Kane possible?

You feel something has to give on that team. They can’t hold onto him forever if they expect to build a good team quick enough before he declines.

Who knows if Toews will even ever play hockey again.

And he only has 8.8M left in his final 2 years to be paid after July 1st.

How much does it cost for Detroit to take 4.4M of that?

Watching Rielly and Marner on the same PP makes the Leafs PP easy to defend (despite their talent). Just collapse onto the other 3 attackers and dare Rielly or Marner to shoot the puck - because they won't/can't.

You would think that something needs to change - but this is the Leafs that we're talking about.
- The Looper

oh so true

Hanifin and Tkachuk for Marner.

Then flip Rielly to CBJ for Seth Jones

Hanifin and Tkachuk for Marner(retain $1.5M)

Then flip Rielly + 2022 1st + Mikheyev to CBJ for Seth Jones + Elvis

the top 3 scorers were Nylander, Kerfoot and spezza.

the top line wasnt carrying the load, they just need to do thier part and its a quick series.

I dont think you watched much of the game if thats your take away
- senstroll

That is so unfair.

Montreal first priority was shut down the first line and the power play.

They were able to do that with an increasing level of effectiveness in each game. By game 7, the Leafs had no answers. I expect next year to produce similar outcomes unless the Leafs bring more depth into their 3rd and fourth lines.

Only one team (Montreal) with a $10m salaried player (Price) made it past the first round of the playoffs. Leaf payroll structure seems unworkable if your primary goal is a deep playoff run.

We are fully into a great season of summer talk and Leaf fans are already nervous about being able to compete in next yeanr's playoffs. This is not great fun for fans.

That is so unfair.

Montreal first priority was shut down the first line and the power play.

They were able to do that with an increasing level of effectiveness in each game. By game 7, the Leafs had no answers. I expect next year to produce similar outcomes unless the Leafs bring more depth into their 3rd and fourth lines.

Only one team (Montreal) with a $10m salaried player (Price) made it past the first round of the playoffs. Leaf payroll structure seems unworkable if your primary goal is a deep playoff run.

We are fully into a great season of summer talk and Leaf fans are already nervous about being able to compete in next yeanr's playoffs. This is not great fun for fans.
- spatso

The best part is Ottawa can’t compete at all.

Done, if only the other team didnt have a say.
But it would be rielly +for seth
- Fakepartofme

and you aren't getting hannifin and tkachuk for Marner, especially with his contract

Watching Rielly and Marner on the same PP makes the Leafs PP easy to defend (despite their talent). Just collapse onto the other 3 attackers and dare Rielly or Marner to shoot the puck - because they won't/can't.

You would think that something needs to change - but this is the Leafs that we're talking about.
- The Looper

Why change any part of the best team assembled in the salary cap era?

The best part is Ottawa can’t compete at all.
- Santo_44

i mean, they have the same amount of playoff victories during their rebuilding years as the leafs do during their "cup contender" window.......so yeah.

That is so unfair.

Montreal first priority was shut down the first line and the power play.

They were able to do that with an increasing level of effectiveness in each game. By game 7, the Leafs had no answers. I expect next year to produce similar outcomes unless the Leafs bring more depth into their 3rd and fourth lines.

Only one team (Montreal) with a $10m salaried player (Price) made it past the first round of the playoffs. Leaf payroll structure seems unworkable if your primary goal is a deep playoff run.

We are fully into a great season of summer talk and Leaf fans are already nervous about being able to compete in next yeanr's playoffs. This is not great fun for fans.
- spatso

no need to as the Leafs did very well on their own.