Its not written but it's a standard of players of his caliber.

The man watched his teammate get paid an extra 9M in three years while producing at a similar rate.

You are going to bargain hard and there was never going to be any give back from Marner because of the bonuses.

It was all business and about getting paid not playing and he earned that after losing out on millions because of Lou.

At the end of the day it is a negotiation and if a player is willing to not play to get paid that is a strong sticking point.

I am sure most players don't want to make their team worse and lose teammates over being overpaid...Lou made it all business so Marner did as well and you can't blame him for that
- Santo_44

... So let him sit, I don't care. How many lost seasons in salary before Marner stops caring at bonus money he was allegedly shafted on.

Who signed Mitch's ELC? Matthews? He put his own (frank)ing name on the paper, he was content with it at the time. If he goes back fishing for money he agreed to pass on out of the gate you let him sit. End of story. Sit your ass down and make zero dollars. 🤷🏻‍♂️

That is so unfair.

Montreal first priority was shut down the first line and the power play.

They were able to do that with an increasing level of effectiveness in each game. By game 7, the Leafs had no answers. I expect next year to produce similar outcomes unless the Leafs bring more depth into their 3rd and fourth lines.

Only one team (Montreal) with a $10m salaried player (Price) made it past the first round of the playoffs. Leaf payroll structure seems unworkable if your primary goal is a deep playoff run.

We are fully into a great season of summer talk and Leaf fans are already nervous about being able to compete in next yeanr's playoffs. This is not great fun for fans.
- spatso

It's not that the Leafs didn't have any answers, it's just that by game 7, the Habs knew that the Leafs couldn't win if it was Marner that had to do the heavy lifting.

The best part is Ottawa can’t compete at all.
- Santo_44

The Ottawa kids were fine against both Montreal and Toronto. They will be a year older and a lot better next year.

i mean, they have the same amount of playoff victories during their rebuilding years as the leafs do during their "cup contender" window.......so yeah.
- haywoodjablome

If you wan't to play that game then the Leafs have the same number of cup wins as Vegas has in the last 4 years so their success is identical.

That is so unfair.

Montreal first priority was shut down the first line and the power play.

They were able to do that with an increasing level of effectiveness in each game. By game 7, the Leafs had no answers. I expect next year to produce similar outcomes unless the Leafs bring more depth into their 3rd and fourth lines.

Only one team (Montreal) with a $10m salaried player (Price) made it past the first round of the playoffs. Leaf payroll structure seems unworkable if your primary goal is a deep playoff run.

We are fully into a great season of summer talk and Leaf fans are already nervous about being able to compete in next yeanr's playoffs. This is not great fun for fans.
- spatso

its not fair? you never make any sense.

its not fair to blame the highest paid players who took the big money...but its their fault the team cant compete in the playoffs because they make too much money.

jfc

The Ottawa kids were fine against both Montreal and Toronto. They will be a year older and a lot better next year.
- spatso

Buffalo said that for years

... So let him sit, I don't care. How many lost seasons in salary before Marner stops caring at bonus money he was allegedly shafted on.

Who signed Mitch's ELC? Matthews? He put his own (frank)ing name on the paper, he was content with it at the time. If he goes back fishing for money he agreed to pass on out of the gate you let him sit. End of story. Sit your ass down and make zero dollars. 🤷🏻‍♂️
- joel878

I agree with you.
Marner's was supposed to be the easy contract. A local kid, that grew up a Leafs fan and said it was his dream to play for Toronto.. Didn't expect that kind of 'me first' attitude...

its not fair? you never make any sense.

its not fair to blame the highest paid players who took the big money...but its their fault the team cant compete in the playoffs because they make too much money.

jfc
- senstroll

Blame the little guys or no one obviously. Stars are immune, their feelings are on the line.

... So let him sit, I don't care. How many lost seasons in salary before Marner stops caring at bonus money he was allegedly shafted on.

Who signed Mitch's ELC? Matthews? He put his own (frank)ing name on the paper, he was content with it at the time. If he goes back fishing for money he agreed to pass on out of the gate you let him sit. End of story. Sit your ass down and make zero dollars. 🤷🏻‍♂️
- joel878

Letting him sit would have been bad for the Leafs. It was a negotiating tactic and a messy one but he wanted to use it...Lou's fault for making it all about business.


and it was his ELC...ELC's run on standards not negotiations.

You find a comparable and that's what you are worth...Lou didnt own up to that because he was stuck in his ways.

And I am sure his agent told him that if you make his ELC about business then his next contract will be all about business as well. Lou didn't give a (frank).

I agree with you.
Marner's was supposed to be the easy contract. A local kid, that grew up a Leafs fan and said it was his dream to play for Toronto.. Didn't expect that kind of 'me first' attitude...
- PatC80

He lost 9M on his ELC.

He didn't owe the Leafs a thing.

The Ottawa kids were fine against both Montreal and Toronto. They will be a year older and a lot better next year.
- spatso

And playing Montreal and Toronto less.

I agree with you.
Marner's was supposed to be the easy contract. A local kid, that grew up a Leafs fan and said it was his dream to play for Toronto.. Didn't expect that kind of 'me first' attitude...
- PatC80

Nope, he is the last one on the team that should have been displaying that kind of attitude.

I realize it's not that simple but he should have been told to sit and have been traded right then and there. If for nothing else as the symbol to the team that it doesn't matter who you are or where your from, the me first stuff is not part of what they're trying to build. Nip that poop in the bud immediately.

its not fair? you never make any sense.

its not fair to blame the highest paid players who took the big money...but its their fault the team cant compete in the playoffs because they make too much money.

jfc
- senstroll

You make a valid point.

But, we must ask ourselves a simple question. What would the Leafs look like, had management built around Matthews plus 4 or 5 players in the $5m to $6m range?

He lost 9M on his ELC.

He didn't owe the Leafs a thing.
- Santo_44

that wasn't Dubas' fault though.. Mitch, his dad and his agent all held Dubas accountable for Lou's mistake.

Any team that gives Hyman a penny over $4M on a long-term contract will regret it.

For all you young'uns out there:

My nephew told me that Hyman makes about $20M a year from his e-sports team.

Questions:

- is this even close to being true?
- if so, do those obscene profits get threatened if he moves out of Toronto?
- Atomic Wedgie

Eleven Gaming - I don’t think living in Toronto has any impact on that business - he could live anywhere.
Plus he has his 3 books and soon to be fourth. Can write those at the cottage - he has lots of time for that.

He lost 9M on his ELC.

He didn't owe the Leafs a thing.
- Santo_44

I'll answer both your posts at once and see if we can get this into your thick skull once and for all.

Mitch Marner put his signature on his ELC. Do you understand how contracts work? He willingly agreed to make millions to play for the leafs as a teenager. There is no unwritten rule that you get to blame the GM who offered you that contract and leverage it for millions after the fact.

If mitch had a problem with the bonus money on his ELC he had the right to not sign it then. Do you understand what a stupid precedent that sets? Because we're obviously content with the idea that every player who out performs his ELC ever is now within his rights to leverage that for back pay on bonus dollars now right?

It's not that the Leafs didn't have any answers, it's just that by game 7, the Habs knew that the Leafs couldn't win if it was Marner that had to do the heavy lifting.
- PatC80

Dont feed the trolls...

that wasn't Dubas' fault though.. Mitch, his dad and his agent all held Dubas accountable for Lou's mistake.
- PatC80

It wasn't.

But Marner wasn't about to make the negotiations easy because of it.

He lost a lot of money and watch every player of his caliber make the money he deserved. He was always going to drive a hard bargain and it cost the Leafs.

You make a valid point.

But, we must ask ourselves a simple question. What would the Leafs look like, had management built around Matthews plus 4 or 5 players in the $5m to $6m range?
- spatso

who the (frank) knows, probably nothing different.
they can still do that, if thats the magic formula

I'll answer both your posts at once and see if we can get this into your thick skull once and for all.

Mitch Marner put his signature on his ELC. Do you understand how contracts work? He willingly agreed to make millions to play for the leafs as a teenager. There is no unwritten rule that you get to blame the GM who offered you that contract and leverage it for millions after the fact.

If mitch had a problem with the bonus money on his ELC he had the right to not sign it then. Do you understand what a stupid precedent that sets? Because we're obviously content with the idea that every player who out performs his ELC ever is now within his rights to leverage that for back pay on bonus dollars now right?
- joel878

And not play in the NHL?

Every player of his caliber gets those bonuses. Period.

Lou was stubborn and didnt give him the bonus.

So yes Marner did sign that contract and he signed with the intentions of playing a hard bargain on his next contract. (he even hired Ferris to prove it)

Lou signed pen to paper knowing this.

The deal was made and Marner used his negotiating right in not playing which not many players are willing to do.

It wasn't.

But Marner wasn't about to make the negotiations easy because of it.

He lost a lot of money and watch every player of his caliber make the money he deserved. He was always going to drive a hard bargain and it cost the Leafs.
- Santo_44

Again, why did they make it Dubas' fault? The only thing Dubas did wrong was bring in Tavares to help Marner pad his stats.

In Lou's defense, he's always done that.. Only exception was Auston Matthews.. Plus, if Marner doesn't outperform his ELC, he wouldn't deserve any bonus money.

We need to talk more about cap hits and contracts. There’s no way that Dubas and Shanny know more about hockey than we do.

Everybody write down what should have been done and I’ll draft a strongly worded letter and get it out in the mail right away.

I’m sure that they will appreciate the help and will use our expertise to make the leafs cup champions while having the lowest payroll in the league.

Lets get’er done fellas.

Again, why did they make it Dubas' fault? The only thing Dubas did wrong was bring in Tavares to help Marner pad his stats.

In Lou's defense, he's always done that.. Only exception was Auston Matthews.. Plus, if Marner doesn't outperform his ELC, he wouldn't deserve any bonus money.
- PatC80

Even more dumb that Lou did that and not give Marner it.

Again, why did they make it Dubas' fault? The only thing Dubas did wrong was bring in Tavares to help Marner pad his stats.

In Lou's defense, he's always done that.. Only exception was Auston Matthews.. Plus, if Marner doesn't outperform his ELC, he wouldn't deserve any bonus money.
- PatC80

So obviously this means that every player Lou signed to an ELC was overpaid by millions on their next deal due to getting jobbed out of bonus money on their ELC. Right?

Or just Marner. 🤔

We need to talk more about cap hits and contracts. There’s no way that Dubas and Shanny know more about hockey than we do.

Everybody write down what should have been done and I’ll draft a strongly worded letter and get it out in the mail right away.

I’m sure that they will appreciate the help and will use our expertise to make the leafs cup champions while having the lowest payroll in the league.

Lets get’er done fellas.
- shack67

good idea... Maybe ask Shanny if he remembers what it feels like to win a Cup? Don't forget to mention at least several times in that letter, to not re-sign Joe Thornton