We need to talk more about cap hits and contracts. There’s no way that Dubas and Shanny know more about hockey than we do.

Everybody write down what should have been done and I’ll draft a strongly worded letter and get it out in the mail right away.

I’m sure that they will appreciate the help and will use our expertise to make the leafs cup champions while having the lowest payroll in the league.

Lets get’er done fellas.
- shack67

The (frank) else is this site supposed to be for. 🤷🏻‍♂️

Yup brutal on both him and dubas.
Although tkafack is not on the level of marner or point.
- Fakepartofme

Agreed that Tkachuk isn't in the same tier. Still, Marner signing 7.5 or 8 x3 would have been a lot more palatable.

Ugh.

Anyway, kicking a dead horse here.

The (frank) else is this site supposed to be for. 🤷🏻‍♂️
- joel878

To talk about how Justin Holl was snubbed for the Norris.

Sorry I should be complaining about Marner right now
- Santo_44

Yeah, God forbid people complain about Marner.

The (frank) else is this site supposed to be for. 🤷🏻‍♂️
- joel878

bashing damien cox for being damien cox

Even more dumb that Lou did that and not give Marner it.
- Santo_44

To me, what's dumb is the Marner took that personally. Matthews was the 1st overall pick, Marner wasn't. Matthews is a C, which has more value than a winger..

I'm not bothered by Lou doing that.. In reality, he treated Marner no different than any other draft pick he's made outside of Matthews.. What bothers me, is that Marner felt he needed to be treated differently.. Which is part of the problem... That 'me first' attitude of his.

Even after the 1st rd loss, that story about Marner not willing to change how he plays on the PP, is another indicator of his me first attitude

bashing damien cox for being damien cox
- BINGO!

That Damien guy

Agreed that Tkachuk isn't in the same tier. Still, Marner signing 7.5 or 8 x3 would have been a lot more palatable.

Ugh.

Anyway, kicking a dead horse here.
- mjones242

I posted a link earlier, Mitch was looking for/going to get 9-10 on a 3 year deal.

https://theleafsnation.co...ntial-marner-bridge-deal/

I can see how a 10.9 seemed reasonable for 6 years

just crazy...it wasnt even close to reasonable

I posted a link earlier, Mitch was looking for/going to get 9-10 on a 3 year deal.

https://theleafsnation.co...ntial-marner-bridge-deal/

I can see how a 10.9 seemed reasonable for 6 years

just crazy...it wasnt even close to reasonable
- senstroll

They should have told him to go flip hay bales for a living at the number on a 3 year deal.

Zero comparables to even pitch that as in the realm of reasonable.

I posted a link earlier, Mitch was looking for/going to get 9-10 on a 3 year deal.

https://theleafsnation.co...ntial-marner-bridge-deal/

I can see how a 10.9 seemed reasonable for 6 years

just crazy...it wasnt even close to reasonable
- senstroll

dude, that's brutal. I didn't know that the Leafs were willing to go over $11M if Mitch signed for 8 years... How was that not "palatable"

To me, what's dumb is the Marner took that personally. Matthews was the 1st overall pick, Marner wasn't. Matthews is a C, which has more value than a winger..

I'm not bothered by Lou doing that.. In reality, he treated Marner no different than any other draft pick he's made outside of Matthews.. What bothers me, is that Marner felt he needed to be treated differently.. Which is part of the problem... That 'me first' attitude of his.

Even after the 1st rd loss, that story about Marner not willing to change how he plays on the PP, is another indicator of his me first attitude
- PatC80

After the season he just had with the Knights? No way. Plus Marner was drafted in the Echiel, Mcdavid draft.

The year AM was drafted Marner was arguably as good as a prospect as him. We have to remember AM wasn't supposed to be this good.

And what? Lou didn't draft a top prospect in decades before Marner. Times changed and giving ELC bonuses were the norm in the modern era and Lou decided to not do it because he was stubborn. It was an idiot move by him. If anything Lou had the attitude problem and made it all about him.

Marner earned his bonuses and he didnt get it.

That Damien guy
- PatC80

After the season he just had with the Knights? No way. Plus Marner was drafted in the Echiel, Mcdavid draft.

The year AM was drafted Marner was arguably as good as a prospect as him. We have to remember AM wasn't supposed to be this good.

And what? Lou didn't draft a top prospect in decades before Marner. Times changed and giving ELC bonuses were the norm in the modern era and Lou decided to not do it because he was stubborn. It was an idiot move by him. If anything Lou had the attitude problem and made it all about him.

Marner earned his bonuses and he didnt get it.
- Santo_44

Matthews wasn't supposed to be this good? Really? Matthews was considered a generational, franchise-changing prospect when he was drafted.

You think Marner earned his bonuses based off of his junior career?

We need to talk more about cap hits and contracts. There’s no way that Dubas and Shanny know more about hockey than we do.

Everybody write down what should have been done and I’ll draft a strongly worded letter and get it out in the mail right away.

I’m sure that they will appreciate the help and will use our expertise to make the leafs cup champions while having the lowest payroll in the league.

Lets get’er done fellas.
- shack67

What else is there to talk about? How excited we are that we're going to roll this same core out again for a repeat performance?

Maybe we can write a letter to Shanahan and Dubas praising their other-worldly hockey knowledge that us poor, unwashed plebs could never possibly understand. We should all sign that letter and never criticize or bother complaining about any move made by MLSE Mgmt ever again.

They produced excellent results so I don't see a reason to change it.

Leafs fans complained for years about D getting results and they finally do and they still want to change it.

Take the names away, look at the stats and they did a great job.
- Santo_44

The d couldn't clear the net, how many goals were goal mouth scrambles. that is not excellent results.
- bobbyisno1

Most goals given up by all teams are from the crease and slot.

After the season he just had with the Knights? No way. Plus Marner was drafted in the Echiel, Mcdavid draft.

The year AM was drafted Marner was arguably as good as a prospect as him. We have to remember AM wasn't supposed to be this good.

And what? Lou didn't draft a top prospect in decades before Marner. Times changed and giving ELC bonuses were the norm in the modern era and Lou decided to not do it because he was stubborn. It was an idiot move by him. If anything Lou had the attitude problem and made it all about him.

Marner earned his bonuses and he didnt get it.
- Santo_44

Matthews was the greatest draft eligible European player since Peter Forsberg. What are you talking about?

To talk about how Justin Holl was snubbed for the Norris.
- Steven_Seagull

Matthews was the greatest draft eligible European player since Peter Forsberg. What are you talking about?
- AdamFrench

Matthews was the greatest draft eligible European player since Peter Forsberg. What are you talking about?
- AdamFrench

I'm still at a loss for words for why, or how Santo would actually believe that

After the season he just had with the Knights? No way. Plus Marner was drafted in the Echiel, Mcdavid draft.

The year AM was drafted Marner was arguably as good as a prospect as him. We have to remember AM wasn't supposed to be this good.

And what? Lou didn't draft a top prospect in decades before Marner. Times changed and giving ELC bonuses were the norm in the modern era and Lou decided to not do it because he was stubborn. It was an idiot move by him. If anything Lou had the attitude problem and made it all about him.

Marner earned his bonuses and he didnt get it.
- Santo_44

Classic example of what it looks like when people flap their gums just to hear their own voice.

Most goals given up by all teams are from the crease and slot.
- Zezel

Unless your goalie is Vesa Toskala, amirite?

Matthews wasn't supposed to be this good? Really? Matthews was considered a generational, franchise-changing prospect when he was drafted.

You think Marner earned his bonuses based off of his junior career?
- PatC80

I don't think he knows what he's talking about anymore.

I'm still at a loss for words for why, or how Santo would actually believe that
- PatC80

The general consensus at the time was he would have been drafted between McDavid and Eichel but he was to young to make it official.

But he wasn't supposed to be this good.

Coming from the same guy who's been arguing for pages that Marner earned his bonuses before playing an NHL game and its all Lous fault he was a greedy female genitalia.

🤦🏻‍♂️

After the season he just had with the Knights? No way. Plus Marner was drafted in the Echiel, Mcdavid draft.

The year AM was drafted Marner was arguably as good as a prospect as him. We have to remember AM wasn't supposed to be this good.

And what? Lou didn't draft a top prospect in decades before Marner. Times changed and giving ELC bonuses were the norm in the modern era and Lou decided to not do it because he was stubborn. It was an idiot move by him. If anything Lou had the attitude problem and made it all about him.

Marner earned his bonuses and he didnt get it.
- Santo_44

There was quite a bit of talk about Matthews being on a level with Eichel and possibly being drafted ahead of him if they were in the same draft class.

I don't think he knows what he's talking about anymore.
- bobbyisno1

Yep. He broke. Shame. He will be missed.