MJL
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Location: Candyland, PA Joined: 09.20.2007
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Depends on your definition of dominance. The teams with the highest Corsis in the post season are almost all the teams that have been eliminated. Also teams falling behind in the playoffs will tend to have higher Corsis.
If you look at high danger chances, it is pretty even and if there is an edge in the series, it belongs to Habs.
https://www.naturalstattr...team=MTL&team2=VGK&rate=n - PT21
That's why looking at a stat like corsi, you need to filter to account for score effects. That's a basic elementary principle of using a stat like corsi. |
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PT21
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: 木糠布丁, PA Joined: 03.04.2008
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I agree. They're winning 3-2. - Ftown19125
3-2 does not sound like dominance to me, in either direction ...
😉 |
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Coburns_Nose
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: Coburn's face Joined: 11.16.2012
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Yea, go look at that roster compared to what we have now. - ClaudeFather
right, this team isn't as good so they couldn't even make the playoffs
once you're in the playoffs you're not playing 82 games against a bunch of different teams, you're playing 7 max against each individual opponent and there's things that come into play that make it so that the regular season is an imperfect predictor of a team's chances in the playoffs |
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ClaudeFather
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Location: west haven, CT Joined: 08.14.2015
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right, this team isn't as good so they couldn't even make the playoffs
once you're in the playoffs you're not playing 82 games against a bunch of different teams, you're playing 7 max against each individual opponent and there's things that come into play that make it so that the regular season is an imperfect predictor of a team's chances in the playoffs - Coburns_Nose
This roster along with others have made the playoffs since 2010, it has not mattered. Going with the just get in is very lazy. Obviously it’s not an 82 game season, anyone with a brain can see that . |
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landros 2
Season Ticket Holder Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: Centre of universe Joined: 02.07.2007
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3-2 does not sound like dominance to me, in either direction ...
😉 - PT21
It hasn’t been….have to hand it to the Hab’s they deserve to be up 3-2. Big physical mobile d, some really good grit to go along with skill up front and Price is playing like one of the better goalies in the world, which he is. |
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As someone who interacted with Tanner many times, yes he absolutely believes what he writes. He has no understanding of analytics and how to use them. No real knowledge of the game yet somehow he has managed to get gigs as a blogger. Only on the internet. - MJL
Sort of like you? Can’t comprehend % or how to figure them and use them toward a thought or god forbid an actual plan?
Only on the internet |
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Coburns_Nose
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: Coburn's face Joined: 11.16.2012
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This roster along with others have made the playoffs since 2010, it has not mattered. Going with the just get in is very lazy. Obviously it’s not an 82 game season, anyone with a brain can see that . - ClaudeFather
um yes i think everyone will agree with that
are you suggesting that because the Flyers have neither gone full nuclear rebuild, nor sell-all-future-assets-to-try-to-contend-better, that this is their thought process? |
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in 2010 when Philly made it to within 2 wins of the Cup, Philly barely squeaked in as the 8th seed - Coburns_Nose
I love 2010 mentions… does that team that squeaked in on last get past 2nd round if all 4 of the top teams didn’t lose in round 1 (1st time in history I believe that happened) point is that team wasn’t that good. |
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um yes i think everyone will agree with that
are you suggesting that because the Flyers have neither gone full nuclear rebuild, nor sell-all-future-assets-to-try-to-contend-better, that this is their thought process? - Coburns_Nose
Appearantly the flyers plan at contract time if you like the player “you absolutely re sign them”. Naturally you can do this 22 times if you like. Things like salary cap don’t matter in flyer land no need to tank. No need to rebuild. No need to trade assets. Just draft and hopefully get player you like because then you just absolutely re sign them. All is dandy |
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ClaudeFather
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Location: west haven, CT Joined: 08.14.2015
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um yes i think everyone will agree with that
are you suggesting that because the Flyers have neither gone full nuclear rebuild, nor sell-all-future-assets-to-try-to-contend-better, that this is their thought process? - Coburns_Nose
If you’ve paid attention at all I’m alluding to bill mentioning Montreal and us in the same breath. They actually have one of the best goalies in the world, serious pieces up front (maybe not the most talented but a great mix) , and a strong defensive group . The flyers have none of those things, maybe a decent forward group but that’s it. |
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Ftown19125
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Location: Philadelphia, PA Joined: 09.17.2013
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I love 2010 mentions… does that team that squeaked in on last get past 2nd round if all 4 of the top teams didn’t lose in round 1 (1st time in history I believe that happened) point is that team wasn’t that good. - Stayin alive
i love that you can say with certainty they don't, even though it isn't possible to know, because it didn't happen. those teams lost, that's all there is to it. |
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ClaudeFather
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Location: west haven, CT Joined: 08.14.2015
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I love 2010 mentions… does that team that squeaked in on last get past 2nd round if all 4 of the top teams didn’t lose in round 1 (1st time in history I believe that happened) point is that team wasn’t that good. - Stayin alive
Lol the 2010 wasn’t that good? They took arguable the best team of the Blackhawks dynasty to overtime in game 6. Good call |
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Tomahawk
Ottawa Senators |
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Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi. Joined: 02.04.2009
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@Claudefather. The Canadiens have been dominated for most the games. Price has carried them. The Leafs were all over them in that series, same with Vegas - xShoot4WarAmpsx
You obviously have not watched the games.
MTL outplayed Vegas the past two games. They've pretty much stifled the Vegas forwards for most of the series. Outside of set faceoff plays, Vegas hasn't been able to generate many dangerous chances.
It all comes down to the way the Habs are playing team defense. Their stickchecking has been next level... maybe the best sustained stick dominance since the late-90's Red Wings. Their puck pursuit has been relentless. Everybody knows when to chase and when to sit back -- there's no thought or hesitation. They are winning most of the 50/50 battles, even all the smaller guys. They are dominating both bluelines. Their PK has literally been perfect.
Price isn't the only reason why they're up 3-2. In fact, he's actually let in a couple of leaky goals this series. He's definitely in Vegas' shooters' heads, tho. |
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KGBflyers10
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Location: United States, PA Joined: 10.28.2007
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Lol the 2010 wasn’t that good? They took arguable the best team of the Blackhawks dynasty to overtime in game 6. Good call - ClaudeFather
They were a shootout loss from missing the playoffs entirely (and if you want to go further, they don't make the playoffs if Leighton doesn't compile a 16-4-1 record down the line.) |
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ClaudeFather
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Location: west haven, CT Joined: 08.14.2015
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They were a shootout loss from missing the playoffs entirely (and if you want to go further, they don't make the playoffs if Leighton doesn't compile a 16-4-1 record down the line.) - KGBflyers10
But they won the shootout...what does that matter at all? |
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Tomahawk
Ottawa Senators |
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Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi. Joined: 02.04.2009
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They were a shootout loss from missing the playoffs entirely (and if you want to go further, they don't make the playoffs if Leighton doesn't compile a 16-4-1 record down the line.) - KGBflyers10
Not to mention fell behind 0-3 to the Bruins, with Game 4 going to OT.
They had good players, but didn't come together as a team until that point.
And not just Leighton... Leino was also instrumental. He was flat out dominant for much of that run... totally out of left field. |
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Ftown19125
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: Philadelphia, PA Joined: 09.17.2013
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But they won the shootout...what does that matter at all? - ClaudeFather
it's really amazing people come up with excuses for why they went as far as they did. |
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KGBflyers10
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: United States, PA Joined: 10.28.2007
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But they won the shootout...what does that matter at all? - ClaudeFather
Because there is a fascination to overhype teams from the Richards era. They all underperformed (or in the case of 2010, nearly underperformed). |
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KGBflyers10
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Location: United States, PA Joined: 10.28.2007
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And not just Leighton... Leino was also instrumental. He was flat out dominant for much of that run... totally out of left field. - Tomahawk
Yes, those two pick ups during the season were huge. But let's not forget that the team was supposed to be a Stanley Cup contender at the beginning of the season.
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Ftown19125
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Location: Philadelphia, PA Joined: 09.17.2013
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Not to mention fell behind 0-3 to the Bruins, with Game 4 going to OT.
They had good players, but didn't come together as a team until that point.
And not just Leighton... Leino was also instrumental. He was flat out dominant for much of that run... totally out of left field. - Tomahawk
no doubt, and they dodged a bullet there haha.
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Tomahawk
Ottawa Senators |
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Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi. Joined: 02.04.2009
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Because they're a fascination to overhype teams from the Richards era. They all underperformed (or in the case of 2010, nearly underperformed). - KGBflyers10
That team was horribly inconsistent, gave up early leads, discord in the room, etc.
As time goes by people tend to only remember the good stuff. Nostalgia is basically selective memory loss. |
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Ftown19125
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Location: Philadelphia, PA Joined: 09.17.2013
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Yes, those two pick ups during the season were huge. But let's not forget that the team was supposed to be a Stanley Cup contender at the beginning of the season. - KGBflyers10
seems like by the end of the season, they were. |
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xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Location: Hamilton, ON Joined: 06.25.2010
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You should watch the games instead of repeating the same bs that some lazy media membres like to blabber again and again. It's much more easy to say that «it's only because of Price» than to really analyze the game... but anyway, Thanks Bro! It's comments like this one that made our opponents think that they were sooooo better than us, that they should win easily. «Leafs in 3» they were saying. The Jets were «too big, too fast and rest» they were saying. The Golden Knights were simply «too strong» they were saying, «The best in the league», although they only played Colorado and a bunch of subpar teams all season long... When it didn't happen like they tought it should, they went frustrated and went out of their way. It helped us beat the Leafs, than the Jets, hopefully tomorrow the Golden Knights... and maybe Tampa if they arrive with the same mind set. So keep on commenting like that please: The Price is right, Jesus Price, it's only Price!
- Dajome
I have watched the games. MTL has no business beating TOR. Toronto outplayed them everywhere but the scoreboard. The difference was Price.
In the Leafs Series the Habs Outshot Toronto ONCE in 7 games
The Jets Series was close but at the same time they played 3 games without their best Centreman
The Vegas series is the same as the Leafs. MTL has only outshot Vegas ONCE.
Price has kept the Habs in Games. He a is a HUGE reason they are where they are.
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Tomahawk
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Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi. Joined: 02.04.2009
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Yes, those two pick ups during the season were huge. But let's not forget that the team was supposed to be a Stanley Cup contender at the beginning of the season. - KGBflyers10
After the OT getting into the POs, slaying Brodeur in round 1, coming back 0-3 on Boston, and then having the Habs knock out the Pens for them... Pronger, Leighton, Briere/Hartsy/Leino, G blowing up, it kind of felt like everything was lining up and they were destined to win.
Was more devastating than 97, IMO, even though they weren't as talented. |
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bradster
Philadelphia Flyers |
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Joined: 12.18.2009
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I have watched the games. MTL has no business beating TOR. Toronto outplayed them everywhere but the scoreboard. The difference was Price.
In the Leafs Series the Habs Outshot Toronto ONCE in 7 games
The Jets Series was close but at the same time they played 3 games without their best Centreman
The Vegas series is the same as the Leafs. MTL has only outshot Vegas ONCE.
Price has kept the Habs in Games. He a is a HUGE reason they are where they are. - xShoot4WarAmpsx
All shots are not created equal....as i said earlier, montreal doesnt let vegas in close...
per sportsnet
First, Montreal has done an excellent job of generating high-danger shots while also keeping Vegas’ shooters outside the most high-danger scoring area on the ice, the inner slot. Despite being outshot 127-107 in the series, the Canadiens have the shot advantage in the inner slot, leading Vegas 31-25. These shots include the multiple breakaway goals in the series, like the one Paul Byron scored in Game 4. |
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