Benning’s Non-1st round picks were better than MG’s first round picks, it’s not even close

Demko, Hoglander, etc
- Nucker101

Yes, clearly Jim Benning has a better handle on drafting than Mike Gillis, but again, Benning drafted most of his great young players high in the first round. The kids everyone refers to.

If Gillis would’ve picked top ten in 2011 instead of 29th I’m sure the Canucks would’ve had one of Landeskog, Huberdeau, Zibanejad, Couturier, Scheifele or Dougie Hamilton instead of Nick Jensen.....or maybe not

Benning’s Non-1st round picks were better than MG’s first round picks, it’s not even close

Demko, Hoglander, etc
- Nucker101

Surprisingly Gillis’s six drafts in the second round and beyond produced 810 NHL games. Mostly from two players. So far Benning’s first six drafts in the second round and beyond have produced 552 games.

325 of those are from Forsling and Gaudette.

Please explain.
- Reubenkincade

ELC slides.

As someone who really enjoys the draft and is a "draft guru"

I think this is just overblown.

You can just look at teams that drafted a ton like TML for years. Where are all those picks now? They had almost 15 more picks than Van over a 5 year period or something and right now Van has more drafted players than they do.
- manvanfan

It’s just my opinion. I don’t believe you can build a team that can consistently compete over a long period of time without a deep commitment to developing home grown talent, and to do that you need more draft selections than less, and you need higher selections than lower ones (all other things being equal). Yes, you can afford/survive trading a pick or a prospect here and there, but if they trade their pick this year that will be a two year dearth in potential incoming talent in the not too distant future.

Now, if you want to talk about trading Boeser for Dumba I have much more time for that - as an example - where you use something that is an organizational strength to address a weakness. Problem with the team currently, they don’t have any over abundance of strengths currently.

It’s just my opinion. I don’t believe you can build a team that can consistently compete over a long period of time without a deep commitment to developing home grown talent, and to do that you need more draft selections than less, and you need higher selections than lower ones (all other things being equal). Yes, you can afford/survive trading a pick or a prospect here and there, but if they trade their pick this year that will be a two year dearth in potential incoming talent in the not too distant future.

Now, if you want to talk about trading Boeser for Dumba I have much more time for that - as an example - where you use something that is an organizational strength to address a weakness. Problem with the team currently, they don’t have any over abundance of strengths currently.
- 1970vintage

Lowe, Tambellini, McTavish, Chia pet, Holland.

Grass is always greener.
- manvanfan

Nobody is wishing we were the Oilers. But go ahead and laugh it makes you feel better.

It’s just my opinion. I don’t believe you can build a team that can consistently compete over a long period of time without a deep commitment to developing home grown talent, and to do that you need more draft selections than less, and you need higher selections than lower ones (all other things being equal). Yes, you can afford/survive trading a pick or a prospect here and there, but if they trade their pick this year that will be a two year dearth in potential incoming talent in the not too distant future.

Now, if you want to talk about trading Boeser for Dumba I have much more time for that - as an example - where you use something that is an organizational strength to address a weakness. Problem with the team currently, they don’t have any over abundance of strengths currently.
- 1970vintage

I don’t know the answer to this but how many of those picks minivan speaks of did Tampa use to acquire the complementary players to a drafted core that helped them win a Cup?

It’s not so much about only having a team of your own drafted players but using draft picks as assets to help you build, something Benning’s management team has been a complete failure at.

I don’t know the answer to this but how many of those picks minivan speaks of did Tampa use to acquire the complementary players to a drafted core that helped them win a Cup?

It’s not so much about only having a team of your own drafted players but using draft picks as assets to help you build, something Benning’s management team has been a complete failure at.
- LeftCoaster

I don’t have data to back this up, but I think that a players “value” is a kind of funny S shaped curve. A first round pick is very valuable. Once that player is selected, it kind of dips a bit, because now it’s a knows. Like driving a new car off the lot. But with development (internal by the team) the players value grows until they hit their peak, and then it diminishes.

I think making all your own picks (and more) and developing players who you can then trade or not as they become more valuable than what you started with.

What does this have to do with Benning doing enough to leave more than he was left with? I was just pointing out the lunacy of what you said. Mike Gillis was terrible at drafting, but, it’s pretty easy to pick much better players in the top ten than the bottom five is all I was saying.

Mike Gillis

2008/09 - 100 points, 7th overall in the league
2009/10 - 103 points, 5th overall in the league
2010/11 - 117 points, 1st overall in the league
2011/12 - 111 points, 1st overall in the league
2012/13 - 59 points, 7th overall in the league (48 GM season)
2013/14 - 83 points, 25th overall in the league

Fired by the owner for wanting to rebuild.

Jim Benning

2014/15 - 101 points, 8th overall in the league
2015/16 - 75 points, 28th overall in the league
2016/17 - 69 points, 29th overall in the league
2017/18 - 73 points, 25th overall in the league
2018/19 - 83 points, 22nd overall in the league
2019/20 - Covid stopped the league, Canucks were 17th overall
2020/21 - 50 points, 23rd overall in the league (56 game season)

Pretty obvious one regime should have picked better players than the other.
- LeftCoaster

This tells me GMG was right about a rebuild. Also FA & he were all in on cup runs. FA wouldn’t listen & hence the retool. It was doomed & now the rebuild is ongoing.

I don’t have data to back this up, but I think that a players “value” is a kind of funny S shaped curve. A first round pick is very valuable. Once that player is selected, it kind of dips a bit, because now it’s a knows. Like driving a new car off the lot. But with development (internal by the team) the players value grows until they hit their peak, and then it diminishes.

I think making all your own picks (and more) and developing players who you can then trade or not as they become more valuable than what you started with.
- 1970vintage

But then you have a team like the Penguins who’ve been competitive for a dozen years, winning three Cups, trading away picks and prospects like candy to supplement their world class core.

Cant get over the past and look at the big picture
- Nucker101

Well I’m an optimist since no sense in being a pessimist. Sports taught me to keep working & it will get better. RL taught me nothing is handed to you you have to earn it.

Well I’m an optimist since no sense in being a pessimist. Sports taught me to keep working & it will get better. RL taught me nothing is handed to you you have to earn it.
- Nighthawk

ELC slides.
- NuckUp

Thanks Nighthawk.

Yes, clearly Jim Benning has a better handle on drafting than Mike Gillis, but again, Benning drafted most of his great young players high in the first round. The kids everyone refers to.

If Gillis would’ve picked top ten in 2011 instead of 29th I’m sure the Canucks would’ve had one of Landeskog, Huberdeau, Zibanejad, Couturier, Scheifele or Dougie Hamilton instead of Nick Jensen.....or maybe not
- LeftCoaster

Gillis had Shinkaruk as a top 10 talent. I don't trust he would have made the right call in 2011.

Benning’s Non-1st round picks were better than MG’s first round picks, it’s not even close

Demko, Hoglander, etc
- Nucker101

Lefty, Pacific, DandD all just stuck on the same thing. Can't get over it or move past it.

Nobody is wishing we were the Oilers. But go ahead and laugh it makes you feel better.
- 1970vintage

I wasn't feeling bad in the first place.

Gillis had Shinkaruk as a top 10 talent. I don't trust he would have made the right call in 2011.
- Retinalz

Shinkaruk had 30 points in 47 KHL last year.

I've been going back through old NHL central scouting rankings lately and they are gross to look at now a days.

Cant get over the past and look at the big picture
- Nucker101

Good morning Gents. Made the stupid decision to backread. Got as far as page 2. Hope you all have a great day. Especially Codes.

This tells me GMG was right about a rebuild. Also FA & he were all in on cup runs. FA wouldn’t listen & hence the retool. It was doomed & now the rebuild is ongoing.
- Nighthawk

into year 8.

When asked how he felt about reaching the Finals, Burrows answered that he was excited to try the finger food in Tampa.

Good morning Gents. Made the stupid decision to backread. Got as far as page 2. Hope you all have a great day. Especially Codes.
- Load Management

You survived the heat? Wow that was a hot one yesterday.

We got our second shots on Friday and the reaction was minimal but in the heat it intensified x 3.

Off to the waterparks today with the kids . Couldn't care less about Benning or drafting today . Enjoy the summer my friend.

Good morning Gents. Made the stupid decision to backread. Got as far as page 2. Hope you all have a great day. Especially Codes.
- Load Management

It's never a good decision.

You survived the heat? Wow that was a hot one yesterday.

We got our second shots on Friday and the reaction was minimal but in the heat it intensified x 3.

Off to the waterparks today with the kids . Couldn't care less about Benning or drafting today . Enjoy the summer my friend.
- VANTEL

Good for you! I'm booked for next Saturday. It's going to make travel less of a hassle.

You survived the heat? Wow that was a hot one yesterday.

We got our second shots on Friday and the reaction was minimal but in the heat it intensified x 3.

Off to the waterparks today with the kids . Couldn't care less about Benning or drafting today . Enjoy the summer my friend.
- VANTEL

I'm off until tomorrow. So a bit of a respite. Didn't make it past my first beer before I crashed for the night on the couch at around 7pm. Had a great sleep.

Lucky kids, waterparks are the best. Back at you Buddy. Enjoy the day/summer.