Khudobin had a rough season and has been overlooked his entire career. Oettinger is also waiver exempt so they really don’t have to rush a goalie decision. But with only Heiskanen to resign in terms of major pieces, clearing that extra 5m from Bishop gives them a chance to make a play for a Krejci or Hamilton which makes more sense to me.
- Feds91Stammer

Dallas is about to be in a cap crunch, but I don't know if they'll wait another season to do anything about it. IMO it makes sense for them to unload Khudbin and give Bishop a season with Oettinger, and then try to move Bishop the following year.

But like you said, if they want to be aggressive this year it behooves them to dump Bishop's contract.

Khudobin had a rough season and has been overlooked his entire career. Oettinger is also waiver exempt so they really don’t have to rush a goalie decision. But with only Heiskanen to resign in terms of major pieces, clearing that extra 5m from Bishop gives them a chance to make a play for a Krejci or Hamilton which makes more sense to me.
- Feds91Stammer

All good points.

I agree, think Khudobin would be a better target for the Pens than Bishop.
- MacPatty

I don't know about "better" depending on what you mean by that, but he's likely a more attainable target.

The fact Hextall (if he's being truthful in everything he's stated publicly) is going to avoid moving any significant picks or prospects, I think it's most likely the Pens move out Jarry or DeSmith and sign a UFA.

I also wouldn't write off Khudobin as a Pens 1B target depending on how things shake out.
- Rinosaur

Maybe as a last resort

Maybe as a last resort
- Feds91Stammer

Hopefully

Yeah but I mean Letang, Rust and Guentzel were all 3rd rounders a lot of other teams overlooked haha, so it has gone both ways.
- MattStrat

Revisionist draft stuff is always funny to me. Like Kucherov was the 17th ranked European skater so nobody thought he would end up being the most dynamic winger in the league.

Revisionist draft stuff is always funny to me. Like Kucherov was the 17th ranked European skater so nobody thought he would end up being the most dynamic winger in the league.
- Feds91Stammer

It's such a crapshoot after the 2nd round even in a deep draft. IMO anything that pans out passed the 2nd round is 75% luck.

Hopefully
- Rinosaur

He is 2nd to only Vasy in 5v5 gsaa the last 3 seasons.

Bishop has the highest HDSV% in that timeframe as well.

Bishop is basically the best high danger goalie you can get. 21 5v5 HDGSAA the last 90 games. Jarry -6 HDGSAA the last 74 games.

It's such a crapshoot after the 2nd round even in a deep draft. IMO anything that pans out passed the 2nd round is 75% luck.
- Rinosaur

It’s a crapshoot after the top 15 really.

He is 2nd to only Vasy in 5v5 gsaa the last 3 seasons.

Bishop has the highest HDSV% in that timeframe as well.

Bishop is basically the best high danger goalie you can get. 21 5v5 HDGSAA the last 90 games. Jarry -6 HDGSAA the last 74 games.
- Feds91Stammer

I just don't see them moving Bishop right now. His NMC would obviously make things trick and give them little leverage in a trade, but they're also not going to give him away for nothing just to dump his salary because he does have value unless they knew for certain they could sign on of the bigger UFAs.

I just don't see them moving Bishop right now. His NMC would obviously make things trick and give them little leverage in a trade, but they're also not going to give him away for nothing just to dump his salary because he does have value unless they knew for certain they could sign on of the bigger UFAs.
- Rinosaur

M-NTC. NMC is meaningless in terms of trade.

It’s a crapshoot after the top 15 really.
- Feds91Stammer

Probably. I think it depends on how deep the draft is like 2019 for instance, but yeah.

M-NTC. NMC is meaningless in terms of trade.
- Feds91Stammer

Ok, I saw that on capfriendly. So is the NMC just basically for the draft and the m-ntc for trades?

Ok, I saw that on capfriendly. So is the NMC just basically for the draft and the m-ntc for trades?
- Rinosaur

Yeah and the NMC applies to waivers as well.

Yeah but I mean Letang, Rust and Guentzel were all 3rd rounders a lot of other teams overlooked haha, so it has gone both ways.
- MattStrat

Oh definitely, it is easy to look at it years down the road and say (if only)... It's not even so much as you missed out on some of these guys that fell so far its more like what the heck were you thinking when drafting others.

But Bennett was a monster reach. Pouliot was also a pretty significant reach, no one had him in the top 10.

I remember watching this draft and after the Pouliot pick they started showing highlights of Tom Wilson just being a beast and I was just praying he would fall to us... then Washington took him... Maata was a great pick where he was taken but man would it have been nice to have Wilson all of these years.

I don't know about "better" depending on what you mean by that, but he's likely a more attainable target.

The fact Hextall (if he's being truthful in everything he's stated publicly) is going to avoid moving any significant picks or prospects, I think it's most likely the Pens move out Jarry or DeSmith and sign a UFA.
- Rinosaur

By better I mean he will have a better year goaltending than Bishop and at a lower cap hit. The Pens don't need another wildcard in net which I am afraid Bishop is. An old goalie who has been out for a year with a significant knee injury is a gamble. If Dallas pays us to take him or eats half of the cap hit, I'm fine taking him as a 1b option but I would still want someone other than him and Jarry in the mix.

By better I mean he will have a better year goaltending than Bishop and at a lower cap hit. The Pens don't need another wildcard in net which I am afraid Bishop is. An old goalie who has been out for a year with a significant knee injury is a gamble. If Dallas pays us to take him or eats half of the cap hit, I'm fine taking him as a 1b option but I would still want someone other than him and Jarry in the mix.
- MacPatty

There's no way to tell he'll have a better year than Bishop.

There's no way to tell he'll have a better year than Bishop.
- Rinosaur

Yeah, I wasn't trying to state it as a fact... it's my opinion, lol.

For the record, I don't really like either option but just debating the Dallas situation overall.

Yeah, I wasn't trying to state it as a fact... it's my opinion, lol.

For the record, I don't really like either option but just debating the Dallas situation overall.
- MacPatty

Who’s your ideal candidate that is also realistic?

Who’s your ideal candidate that is also realistic?
- Feds91Stammer

I honestly don't know.

1. Kuemper > Very good goalie who could be elite on a decent team. I think the acquisition price will be much less than Gibson even though I feel he isn't far off from that same level of player.

2. Gibson > Elite goalie but not sure the Ducks would trade him and if they do he will be super expensive.

3. Varlomov > I have a hard time believing the Islanders would trade him at all, let alone to us but maybe through an intermediary? It's too bad Sorokin doesnt have to be protected in expansion.

4. Fleury > Very good goalie but I'm only going after him if the cost of acquisition is cheap.

LAST RESORT > One of (or two if you can unload Jarry) Mrazek, Drieger, Raanta probably. Since Zona is going to lose Hill to expansion otherwise, maybe bring him in cheap?

I don't think there are any "ideal" options that are realistic.

We've talked about a Jarry/Kuemper swap, but is that even on their radar?

Gibson is unrealistic, but the most ideal target.

Of the UFA's that will likely be available and in the Pens' price range, I don't think there's any that are significant upgrades to Jarry.

I honestly don't know.

1. Kuemper > Very good goalie who could be elite on a decent team. I think the acquisition price will be much less than Gibson even though I feel he isn't far off from that same level of player.

2. Gibson > Elite goalie but not sure the Ducks would trade him and if they do he will be super expensive.

3. Varlomov > I have a hard time believing the Islanders would trade him at all, let alone to us but maybe through an intermediary? It's too bad Sorokin doesnt have to be protected in expansion.

4. Fleury > Very good goalie but I'm only going after him if the cost of acquisition is cheap.

LAST RESORT > One of (or two if you can unload Jarry) Mrazek, Drieger, Raanta probably. Since Zona is going to lose Hill to expansion otherwise, maybe bring him in cheap?
- MacPatty

I think your four choice are anything but realistic. I think Mrazek and Raanta are far more realistic options, not necessarily great options, but far more realistic.

I think trades in general are less likely than signing a FA.

I think your four choice are anything but realistic. I think Mrazek and Raanta are far more realistic options, not necessarily great options, but far more realistic.
- Rinosaur

If they could move Jarry for futures and manage a Mrazek/Raanta duo that would be pretty legit.

If they could move Jarry for futures and manage a Mrazek/Raanta duo that would be pretty legit.
- Feds91Stammer

There are just so many question marks around Hextall at this point. JR, for whatever we can criticize him for, was probably one of the most ,if not the most, transparent GM in the league. He was very vocal about roster issues he wants to address and even players he was both happy and unhappy with.

We don't know the same about Hextall just yet and I say that because he gave Jarry a big vote of confidence after the season ended. We don't know if that was lip service or truth. If we're going to take him at his word, it's unlikely Jarry gets moved.

On a side note, I'm very iffy on Mrazek.

Bishop would be an awful addition. No doubt he's a good goalie WHEN he plays but seems 100% unreliable especially at 34 years old.

Feel like his issues are only going to get worse. I'd rather have Bernier