The scouting staff didn't find Fox. Everyone knew he was going to be good, and everyone also knew he was committed to Harvard and would be difficult to sign. They knew it was a risk when they picked him.

He's not the first draft pick who wouldn't sign in Calgary, and he won't be the last. Not that big of a deal. He was able to help get them Hanifin and Lindholm, so the Flames fans can't complain too much about it.
- Squeaky

It’s fuking hot out. Day 12 of quarantine, and I’m ready to go swimming!

The scouting staff didn't find Fox. Everyone knew he was going to be good, and everyone also knew he was committed to Harvard and would be difficult to sign. They knew it was a risk when they picked him.

He's not the first draft pick who wouldn't sign in Calgary, and he won't be the last. Not that big of a deal. He was able to help get them Hanifin and Lindholm, so the Flames fans can't complain too much about it. Fox was also straight forward with the Flames about his intentions every step of the way.
- Squeaky

Hamilton got us Lindholm and Hanifin. Fox was added piece even Hurricanes didn't know he will sign with them or not. So I think Hamilton was the main reason we got those players.

Hamilton got us Lindholm and Hanifin. Fox was added piece even Hurricanes didn't know he will sign with them or not. So I think Hamilton was the main reason we got those players.
- hockey4hockey

Ferkland had a little to do with that.

Well I hope Treliving goes all in on d this year, we could definitely use some futures in that department.

Arvidsson trade (#40 in 2021 & 2022 3rd) is probably a descent barometer for a MONY deal.

Hamilton got us Lindholm and Hanifin. Fox was added piece even Hurricanes didn't know he will sign with them or not. So I think Hamilton was the main reason we got those players.
- hockey4hockey

To get not one but two 5th over all players 23 years old & younger was going to take a lot more than Hamilton, but obviously Hamilton was the major piece. Ferland wasnt going to be here after his last year, his ask was just way too high. Canes were convinced they could sign Fox, Treliving knew he couldnt but also knew what Fox would be worth, ie a couple of 2nd round picks that Carolina had to settle for.

On another note Arvidsson would have been a a nice target for the Flames, top 6 RW paid 4.5 mill per. Too bad Flames werent in on that.

Arvidsson trade (#40 in 2021 & 2022 3rd) is probably a descent barometer for a MONY deal.
- DEDDIE

This is why there is no point in trading him. Selling at an all-time low is pointless. Maybe SM can learn a two way game under Sutter and become a decent 2nd line guy.

Arvidsson trade (#40 in 2021 & 2022 3rd) is probably a descent barometer for a MONY deal.
- DEDDIE

I think your Barometer needs perspective. They had similar years in a covid shortened year, but the previous 2 years, Arvidsson missed 1/3 of the seasons to injury. So there are injury issues that come with Arvi. 2nd you cant equate a Centre versus RW the same. Centre has higher value 9 times out of 10. Lastly, that return reflects the value 4.5 mill of cap space in a flat cap. If Monahan is being dumped as a cap dump, the return obviously goes down. If Tre traded Monahan for a 2nd & 3rd people would be carrying pitch forks down at the Dome & I would be leading the way.

I think your Barometer needs perspective. They had similar years in a covid shortened year, but the previous 2 years, Arvidsson missed 1/3 of the seasons to injury. So there are injury issues that come with Arvi. 2nd you cant equate a Centre versus RW the same. Centre has higher value 9 times out of 10. Lastly, that return reflects the value 4.5 mill of cap space in a flat cap. If Monahan is being dumped as a cap dump, the return obviously goes down. If Tre traded Monahan for a 2nd & 3rd people would be carrying pitch forks down at the Dome & I would be leading the way.
- Kevin R

All good points and I agree with you for the most part... I would not trade Mony for a high 2nd and a 3rd either but for a mid 1st or a late 1st + I could support that.
If you assess a trade of Mony straight up for picks you also have to consider how deploying his 6.3 million cap hit helps improve the team elsewhere. So lets say we traded Mony to NYR for pick #16 and a 2022 3rd and then used Monys 6.3 cap savings to sign a UFA with a descent term and AAV how would you feel about that?

All good points and I agree with you for the most part... I would not trade Mony for a high 2nd and a 3rd either but for a mid 1st or a late 1st + I could support that.
If you assess a trade of Mony straight up for picks you also have to consider how deploying his 6.3 million cap hit helps the improve the team elsewhere. So lets say we traded Mony to NYR for pick #16 and a 2022 3rd and then used Monys 6.3 cap savings to sign a UFA with a descent term and AAV how would you feel about that?
- DEDDIE

I still say you hold onto him and hope when healthy he can find his game.

I think your Barometer needs perspective. They had similar years in a covid shortened year, but the previous 2 years, Arvidsson missed 1/3 of the seasons to injury. So there are injury issues that come with Arvi. 2nd you cant equate a Centre versus RW the same. Centre has higher value 9 times out of 10. Lastly, that return reflects the value 4.5 mill of cap space in a flat cap. If Monahan is being dumped as a cap dump, the return obviously goes down. If Tre traded Monahan for a 2nd & 3rd people would be carrying pitch forks down at the Dome & I would be leading the way.
- Kevin R

Monahan for Forsberg
We’re 1Swede away from competing!

All good points and I agree with you for the most part... I would not trade Mony for a high 2nd and a 3rd either but for a mid 1st or a late 1st + I could support that.
If you assess a trade of Mony straight up for picks you also have to consider how deploying his 6.3 million cap hit helps improve the team elsewhere. So lets say we traded Mony to NYR for pick #16 and a 2022 3rd and then used Monys 6.3 cap savings to sign a UFA with a descent term and AAV how would you feel about that?
- DEDDIE

I guess the cap space would be nice to have but I would explore other options. Would love to swing a deal with LA as they would be in the market for a 2C & Lemiux & the #8 would be pretty good. Also Monahan for Tuch would also be tantalizing too.

Monahan for Forsberg
We’re 1Swede away from competing!
- K-man25

Lol that would be interesting, not sure Nashville would be in any rush to do that though, kind of a lateral move by both teams.

Monahan was one of my favourite players early on in his career but around 3-4 years ago he stopped developing and became complacent with being JG’s passenger. Even in our 1st place finish year his production was largely a byproduct of the chemistry between JG and lindholm.

Last summer was considered his all-time low for value and I was against trading him then because I believed he would bounce back and yet things have only gotten worse. He isn’t good defensively, he doesn’t drive play, he’s invisible unless he’s scoring a goal which is an opportunity he doesn’t generally create on his own and at this stage in his career I don’t see him changing his style of play. I would love to be wrong but this is starting to look like a trend rather than a 1 off.

A bad GM may give up a high 1st for him, the rumours about Ottawa had me optimistic about getting 10th but on most contending teams he’s not even the 2nd best center which is going to shrink the market for him massively. That said he still has the reputation of a fringe 1st line C so I could be underestimating a return but either way with it looking like JG-Lindholm-tkachuck will be our new 1st line I think he’s going to get exposed for what he is

Also I didn’t see us in on arvidsson anyways, 5’9 doesn’t seem like a huge fit for what sutter wants

with Tkachuk wanting to go to st louis rumors out there

none of those packages would get eichel with probably 10 other teams putting in offers


not trying to insult you guys, just being realistic
- homiedclown

I agree. There will be better offers. Even though I think Buffalo is unrealistic in what they think they can get.

Rumor is they want Rossi, Boldy, and the equivalent of 4 1st round draft picks from Minny. Don’t see them getting that. The uncertainty should be bringing the price down but none of those 4 offers will make it happen.

Hey guys. I’m waiting to hear back from the website, but I’ll submit another piece tonight or tomorrow morning and see if they will post it in any case.

If I can land a spot here, I’ll do two posts a week on top of game day posts.