Honestly, if I was going to pick a team to GM, we certainly are going to give him time, there's no pressure to win now and you have Jack/Samson as trade bait...

I can see why they took it despite the sign that says "FIRE!" outside the door.
- RhinoFan

It's easy to bash the poop out of Buffalo, but I think the opportunity to help create something (hopefully) special can be (is) appealing to a lot of people.

According to Friedman he talked to one team and they said you can't believe what the ask is and Friedman said he wouldn't say yet and he keeps texting the person but he's told they can't say yet. There is also another team that has said that if it doesn't happen soon they are out. Go to around the 19:30 mark

https://podcast.sportsnet...thoughts/back-to-florida/

When Karmanos was hired, many were hoping he became effective GM. Now, I'm hoping Ventura is effective GM. Strange place.
- Lunaion

Ventura: "And why do we like Zegras, Kevyn?"

*points at Adams

Adams (excitedly): "He gets on base!!!"

Ventura: *gives Adams dirty look...

He's the same bumhole who told Jimmy Ruth to sign Jack Johnson to 7x80M
- TheSabresTaco

Oh my. An analytics guy did that?

I like the hire a lot. If I were interviewing the 3 for the GM job, I'm almost certain I'd hire Ventura. It's just a little backwards. Even more so when KA discusses how valuable the interview process for a coach has been.
- Lunaion

I think there's a decent chance that in 3 years, Karmanos is GM, Ventura is AGM and Adams is president

According to Friedman he talked to one team and they said you can't believe what the ask is and Friedman said he wouldn't say yet and he keeps texting the person but he's told they can't say yet. There is also another team that has said that if it doesn't happen soon they are out.

https://podcast.sportsnet...thoughts/back-to-florida/
- Leninthebuff

Hold tight, Kevyn. The future of this franchise is at stake.

I like the hire a lot. If I were interviewing the 3 for the GM job, I'm almost certain I'd hire Ventura. It's just a little backwards. Even more so when KA discusses how valuable the interview process for a coach has been.
- Lunaion

Isn't he kinda Karmanos' guy?

To me this was more, well we signed Karm, let's try to pry one of "his guys" out of there. But not sure he hired him. There was some blurb I saw about him working more closely with Karmanos than Rutherford or others.

I think there's a decent chance that in 3 years, Karmanos is GM, Ventura is AGM and Adams is president
- Hank Balling

I think it might be that way right now, effectively.

Isn't he kinda Karmanos' guy?

To me this was more, well we signed Karm, let's try to pry one of "his guys" out of there. But not sure he hired him. There was some blurb I saw about him working more closely with Karmanos than Rutherford or others.
- RhinoFan

I view them both as Rutherford guys. Curious if he has some background influence on them now.

You think they have a deal in place and are waiting?

If so, what for? Wouldn't be the first time I missed something obvious, lay it on me.
- RhinoFan

Let's run down the variables:

-24 year old franchise center. How many have been traded at this stage of his career in the salary cap era? Joe Thornton and Tyler Seguin. That Seguin trade was an utter disaster, and the Thornton trade was not far behind. You really don't have much of a benchmark to work with. The Sabres know the kind of assets they want, which is huge, while also narrowing down potential suitors. Only so many have a strong enough prospect pool to overcome the cost of aquisition.

-Neck injury comes with risk, compounded by the fact that Eichel and his agent are demanding a procedure that's never been performed on an NHL player.

-10M cap hit to a team where the opposing team is unable to likely return that 10M.

-Teams are going to have to give up an extraordinary amount of skill for what is an insanely talented 1C with a large risk for 5 years.

-Adams likely asking EC teams more than an acceptable amount to turn them off from trading for Jack.

-The expansion draft and all the variables with that. Sending Jack to someone may prevent that team from protecting someone they need to protect. Especially in a trade like this, where one non exempt player is leaving Buffalo, while it is likely accepting waiver exempt players, perhaps a cap dump, whether that player is worth protecting or not.

This is anything but simple. For all we know, a deal can certainly be agreed to in principal, but the medical questions could need to be answered. Just because nothing is done yet does not mean what so ever that something won't be done.



In the case of Sam? He has 3 weeks. Once a deal is agreed upon in principal, Sam's agent can negotiate a contract with the opposing team.

To all are Florida buzzards, stay safe!!!

According to Friedman he talked to one team and they said you can't believe what the ask is and Friedman said he wouldn't say yet and he keeps texting the person but he's told they can't say yet. There is also another team that has said that if it doesn't happen soon they are out. Go to around the 19:30 mark

https://podcast.sportsnet...thoughts/back-to-florida/
- Leninthebuff

Pro tips for getting someone to sell something:

"It costs how much???? Pass! How about [30% less]?"

Pro tips for getting someone to sell something:

"It costs how much???? Pass! How about
- TheSabresTaco[30% less]?"

Sounds like most of these teams are on a beer budget with champagne taste.

I view them both as Rutherford guys. Curious if he has some background influence on them now.
- Lunaion

Hopefully in 20 years they talk about the Rutherford Tree.

Isn't he kinda Karmanos' guy?

To me this was more, well we signed Karm, let's try to pry one of "his guys" out of there. But not sure he hired him. There was some blurb I saw about him working more closely with Karmanos than Rutherford or others.
- RhinoFan

Kevyn has laid out a plan to get with the times if you will, and he seems to be intentionally expanding the department and giving guys more defined roles. Make no mistake, Ventura is here because of Karmanos. But I do believe it was always KA's intention to get a guy like him here.

Sounds like most of these teams are on a beer budget with champagne taste.
- Carubba-Kaleta

Teams walking up trying to trade a case of Cook's for a bottle of Don.

Any update on the risto and devil's rumor?

Realistically what would a risto trade to the devil's look like?

A 2nd and a prospect like maltsev

I can't see wood being traded for risto as wood was given the A and brought some toughness the devil's lack

Ask for the Moon, and get some Star's.

Any update on the risto and devil's rumor?

Realistically what would a risto trade to the devil's look like?

A 2nd and a prospect like maltsev

I can't see wood being traded for risto as wood was given the A and brought some toughness the devil's lack
- dmarsden2988

Think if that trade happens goes on between the Expansion and Regular draft.

Think if that trade happens goes on between the Expansion and Regular draft.
- Buff36

I think it was Friedman, or at least one of the top guys, said they sense that there will not be as much movement as people believe before the expansion or draft

Let's run down the variables:

-24 year old franchise center. How many have been traded at this stage of his career in the salary cap era? Joe Thornton and Tyler Seguin. That Seguin trade was an utter disaster, and the Thornton trade was not far behind. You really don't have much of a benchmark to work with. The Sabres know the kind of assets they want, which is huge, while also narrowing down potential suitors. Only so many have a strong enough prospect pool to overcome the cost of aquisition.

-Neck injury comes with risk, compounded by the fact that Eichel and his agent are demanding a procedure that's never been performed on an NHL player.

-10M cap hit to a team where the opposing team is unable to likely return that 10M.

-Teams are going to have to give up an extraordinary amount of skill for what is an insanely talented 1C with a large risk for 5 years.

-Adams likely asking EC teams more than an acceptable amount to turn them off from trading for Jack.

-The expansion draft and all the variables with that. Sending Jack to someone may prevent that team from protecting someone they need to protect. Especially in a trade like this, where one non exempt player is leaving Buffalo, while it is likely accepting waiver exempt players, perhaps a cap dump, whether that player is worth protecting or not.

This is anything but simple. For all we know, a deal can certainly be agreed to in principal, but the medical questions could need to be answered. Just because nothing is done yet does not mean what so ever that something won't be done.



In the case of Sam? He has 3 weeks. Once a deal is agreed upon in principal, Sam's agent can negotiate a contract with the opposing team.
- TheSabresTaco

Makes sense, I'll concede I hadn't really thought of EC appreciation in cost as well. I'd retort, I didn't say him not being traded yet means he won't, I simply said that it means it isn't some assured thing. There is a chance he plays in Buffalo again, especially if medical evaluations aren't good enough for other teams to bite. We aren't selling him for peanuts.

And agreed on Samsonite.

Isn't he kinda Karmanos' guy?

To me this was more, well we signed Karm, let's try to pry one of "his guys" out of there. But not sure he hired him. There was some blurb I saw about him working more closely with Karmanos than Rutherford or others.
- RhinoFan

Don't get too excited... I have no idea why Ventura has some kind of good reputation but I have never heard anything about him being involved in any successful decision making. You are right though, he is Karmanos guy. Just make sure you guys don't analytics yourselves into the Coyotes.

When Karmanos was hired, many were hoping he became effective GM. Now, I'm hoping Ventura is effective GM. Strange place.
- Lunaion

Hold the horses on that one. Big difference between being a Gm and handling analytics..

I think it was Friedman, or at least one of the top guys, said they sense that there will not be as much movement as people believe before the expansion or draft
- dmarsden2988

He could be right, a lot has to do with protection lists. But there could be some good young players available Bean, Foote, Vanecek, Foagle. Could be interesting.

Hold the horses on that one. Big difference between being a Gm and handling analytics..
- DirtyDan

He's done a lot more than that...and obviously a lot more than KA.