Here's my issue with Joe Thornton and Seguin as the Eichel comparables: age, contract status and "issues".

Joe was a pending UFA in 2 seasons. He was also 2 years older than Jack is now. That changes value pretty substantially as Jack is younger and under contract for longer at a decent price for his caliber.

Seguin just had a horrible playoffs for the Bruins and was reportedly out to the 3am partying most nights, including game days. Apparently it got so bad they had to station a guard outside his room in the hotel to ensure he didn't go out. Jack does not have these concerns.

Jack's concern is his health. The reason that's a lesser "strike" against Jack's value than the difference in Joe's age/contract or Seguin's boozing is that the team acquiring Jack, as has been discussed, would evaluate him prior to the deal being made official. If they aren't satisfied, it simply doesn't happen. For those reasons, I'd argue, Jack is more valuable now than either was at the time of their trades.

End of rant.

Don't get too excited... I have no idea why Ventura has some kind of good reputation but I have never heard anything about him being involved in any successful decision making. You are right though, he is Karmanos guy. Just make sure you guys don't analytics yourselves into the Coyotes.
- MacPatty

He's gotten a lot of hype from Pittsburgh and national media.

Here's my issue with Joe Thornton and Seguin as the Eichel comparables: age, contract status and "issues".

Joe was a pending UFA in 2 seasons. He was also 2 years older than Jack is now. That changes value pretty substantially as Jack is younger and under contract for longer at a decent price for his caliber.

Seguin just had a horrible playoffs for the Bruins and was reportedly out to the 3am partying most nights, including game days. Apparently it got so bad they had to station a guard outside his room in the hotel to ensure he didn't go out. Jack does not have these concerns.

Jack's concern is his health. The reason that's a lesser "strike" against Jack's value than the difference in Joe's age/contract or Seguin's boozing is that the team acquiring Jack, as has been discussed, would evaluate him prior to the deal being made official. If they aren't satisfied, it simply doesn't happen. For those reasons, I'd argue, Jack is more valuable now than either was at the time of their trades.

End of rant.
- RhinoFan

Like I said. The only reasonable comparables are those two. And they're not even that great because each had their own set of circumstances. So, like I said. There really isn't a benchmark available. Which could benefit the Sabres.

Like I said. The only reasonable comparables are those two. And they're not even that great because each had their own set of circumstances. So, like I said. There really isn't a benchmark available. Which could benefit the Sabres.
- TheSabresTaco

hossa for heatley?

So… what is the made up rumor of the day?

https://www.expectedbuffa...res-front-office-changes/
Nice read!!

Like I said. The only reasonable comparables are those two. And they're not even that great because each had their own set of circumstances. So, like I said. There really isn't a benchmark available. Which could benefit the Sabres.
- TheSabresTaco

No argument at all. Literally the sample size should dictate caution when trying to predict Jack's return here.

hossa for heatley?
- homiedclown

Close age, still not franchise centers. The talent level in that trade was pretty on par though.

So… what is the made up rumor of the day?
- jochfr

That you don't have two dads named Terry and Jerry.

So… what is the made up rumor of the day?
- jochfr

boss for bingo

So… what is the made up rumor of the day?
- jochfr

Reinhart for Johnny Hockey

Straight the (frank) up

Discuss if you want or piss off! (Hope you had a good 4th)

Let's run down the variables:

-24 year old franchise center. How many have been traded at this stage of his career in the salary cap era? Joe Thornton and Tyler Seguin. That Seguin trade was an utter disaster, and the Thornton trade was not far behind. You really don't have much of a benchmark to work with. The Sabres know the kind of assets they want, which is huge, while also narrowing down potential suitors. Only so many have a strong enough prospect pool to overcome the cost of aquisition.

-Neck injury comes with risk, compounded by the fact that Eichel and his agent are demanding a procedure that's never been performed on an NHL player.

-10M cap hit to a team where the opposing team is unable to likely return that 10M.

-Teams are going to have to give up an extraordinary amount of skill for what is an insanely talented 1C with a large risk for 5 years.

-Adams likely asking EC teams more than an acceptable amount to turn them off from trading for Jack.

-The expansion draft and all the variables with that. Sending Jack to someone may prevent that team from protecting someone they need to protect. Especially in a trade like this, where one non exempt player is leaving Buffalo, while it is likely accepting waiver exempt players, perhaps a cap dump, whether that player is worth protecting or not.

This is anything but simple. For all we know, a deal can certainly be agreed to in principal, but the medical questions could need to be answered. Just because nothing is done yet does not mean what so ever that something won't be done.



In the case of Sam? He has 3 weeks. Once a deal is agreed upon in principal, Sam's agent can negotiate a contract with the opposing team.
- TheSabresTaco

And covid-19
Flat cap
Rookie g.m.

Patriots Mega Star N'Keal Harry requests a trade.

The Patriot Way strikes again.

He's done a lot more than that...and obviously a lot more than KA.
- Lunaion

Ya got me there

https://www.hockeybuzz.co...in-Sam-Ventura/177/112301

And covid-19
Flat cap
Rookie g.m.
- Anderdog

Leave the politics out of here!

Leave the politics out of here!
- TheHank

Facts
Nothing political about it
Teams lost money because of covid

https://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Ryan-Wilson/The-Penguins-loss-is-the-Sabres-gain-in-Sam-Ventura/177/112301
- Anderdog

best line


Burke of course famously dismissing analytics during an analytic event he was hosting “it’s a lot like a lamppost to a drunk. Great for support, but not for illumination.”


even though its shi**ing on our hire

Oh my. An analytics guy did that?
- Michael Pachla

He's being sarcastic

Here's my issue with Joe Thornton and Seguin as the Eichel comparables: age, contract status and "issues".

Joe was a pending UFA in 2 seasons. He was also 2 years older than Jack is now. That changes value pretty substantially as Jack is younger and under contract for longer at a decent price for his caliber.

Seguin just had a horrible playoffs for the Bruins and was reportedly out to the 3am partying most nights, including game days. Apparently it got so bad they had to station a guard outside his room in the hotel to ensure he didn't go out. Jack does not have these concerns.

Jack's concern is his health. The reason that's a lesser "strike" against Jack's value than the difference in Joe's age/contract or Seguin's boozing is that the team acquiring Jack, as has been discussed, would evaluate him prior to the deal being made official. If they aren't satisfied, it simply doesn't happen. For those reasons, I'd argue, Jack is more valuable now than either was at the time of their trades.

End of rant.
- RhinoFan

Give me a Lindross return or Jack can stay here the rest of his contract

Leave the politics out of here!
- TheHank

Yawn. looks like you missed the point as usual

Reinhart for Johnny Hockey

Straight the (frank) up

Discuss if you want or piss off! (Hope you had a good 4th)
- RhinoFan

Nope

Johnny walks in a year

Give me a Lindross return or Jack can stay here the rest of his contract
- Fattony1187

This

Yawn. looks like you missed the point as usual
- Fattony1187

Lol.

I’m not fitz.

Lol.

I’m not fitz.


- TheHank