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PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Jul 8 @ 2:26 PM ET
Finding future NHL players beyond the first round is good drafting. Finding future major impact players beyond round 1 is largely good fortune.

Example: Tampa took Dominik Masin and Johnathan MacLeod ahead of Point in 2014 (after DeAngelo in Rd 1). That wasn't some brilliant drafting strategy. It was good fortune on the outcome.

- bmeltzer


I don't understand why this drafting later argument gets so much credence here.

You tell your kid to study hard. In his down time, you insist he learn the violin.

Turns out he is not much of a student. However, he develops into a first rate violinist.

Do you not get any credit for the last because you prioritized studying over music lessons?
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Jul 8 @ 2:30 PM ET
There are no other scenarios. That risk will always be there even if he has behaved in the interim, (as he likely will, because he knows if he doesn't his NHL career is over otherwise). DeAngelo will be 26 this year, not 16.

And waive him? We would have to bolt the door from being overrun by suitors looking to pick up a guy on a long term deal on his nth flameout, right?

And thanks for straightening me out about corporations. As a professional economist flitting between academia and corporate life for decades, I am grateful for the piercing insight.

- PT21

You remind me of the blond hair guy in Good Will Hunting. Talking all smart in the bar only to get punked down.

Did I ever say there wont be any risk? I didn't. There are other scenarios. You said if he plays good you then what sign him long term. That isn't the only scenario. Though keep telling us what a professional you are in life.

Where did I said give him a long term deal, then waive him? Go back and re-read. If you sign him 1 year it don't work you waive. No harm no foul.

You don't like the guy I get it.
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

Jul 8 @ 2:50 PM ET
I don't understand why this drafting later argument gets so much credence here.

You tell your kid to study hard. In his down time, you insist he learn the violin.

Turns out he is not much of a student. However, he develops into a first rate violinist.

Do you not get any credit for the last because you prioritized studying over music lessons?

- PT21

Just shut up
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Jul 8 @ 2:54 PM ET
You remind me of the blond hair guy in Good Will Hunting. Talking all smart in the bar only to get punked down.

Did I ever say there wont be any risk? I didn't. There are other scenarios. You said if he plays good you then what sign him long term. That isn't the only scenario. Though keep telling us what a professional you are in life.

Where did I said give him a long term deal, then waive him? Go back and re-read. If you sign him 1 year it don't work you waive. No harm no foul.

You don't like the guy I get it.

- hello it's me 2050



How bout them apples?!
PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Jul 8 @ 2:55 PM ET
You remind me of the blond hair guy in Good Will Hunting. Talking all smart in the bar only to get punked down.

Did I ever say there wont be any risk? I didn't. There are other scenarios. You said if he plays good you then what sign him long term. That isn't the only scenario. Though keep telling us what a professional you are in life.

Where did I said give him a long term deal, then waive him? Go back and re-read. If you sign him 1 year it don't work you waive. No harm no foul.

You don't like the guy I get it.

- hello it's me 2050


You are behaving like MJL at multiple levels, complete with large edits of posts and entire paragraphs disappearing.

Yeah, you cut him if he misbehaves during the short term low pay deal. Now lets look for the 3rd and last time at what happens if he doesn't, and things work out in both hockey and behavior (which was my entire point).

Do you not sign him? In that case, you might as well get a vet like Nisky on a 2 year deal. The play might be a little worse, but the risk will be lower during the 1-2 years.

Do you sign him?: In that case, you risk getting stuck up the creek w/o a paddle.

And sure, I have contempt for the guy. Its got nothing to do with his personal politics. No one has shilled harder for Seth than me here, and he is suspected to be (and his parents are explicitly) Trump supporters. Difference is, Seth is a pro.

And oh, by the way, the only people you will ever punk in the remainder of your life are the cheap AMP workers. And even they probably laugh at you.

Later, homie.


PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Jul 8 @ 2:56 PM ET
Just shut up
- ClaudeFather


Too deep for you, huh?
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Jul 8 @ 3:05 PM ET
Greatest press conference ever.

hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Jul 8 @ 3:09 PM ET
You are behaving like MJL at multiple levels, complete with large edits of posts and entire paragraphs disappearing.

Yeah, you cut him if he misbehaves during the short term low pay deal. Now lets look for the 3rd and last time at what happens if he doesn't, and things work out in both hockey and behavior (which was my entire point).

Do you not sign him? In that case, you might as well get a vet like Nisky on a 2 year deal. The play might be a little worse, but the risk will be lower during the 1-2 years.

Do you sign him?: In that case, you risk getting stuck up the creek w/o a paddle.

And sure, I have contempt for the guy. Its got nothing to do with his personal politics. No one has shilled harder for Seth than me here, and he is suspected to be (and his parents are explicitly) Trump supporters. Difference is, Seth is a pro.

And oh, by the way, the only people you will ever punk in the remainder of your life are the cheap AMP workers. And even they probably laugh at you.

Later, homie.

- PT21

100% false you turd.

If things work out in both hockey and behavior you can trade him and sell high can you not?

Homie is that cool guy professional lingo? Do you wear black socks to the beach with your sandals? You wear new balance sneaks?
PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Jul 8 @ 3:23 PM ET
100% false you turd.

If things work out in both hockey and behavior you can trade him and sell high can you not?

Homie is that cool guy professional lingo? Do you wear black socks to the beach with your sandals? You wear new balance sneaks?

- hello it's me 2050


In other words, you don't intend to sign him anyway, even if things work out. In which case, I suggest you reread my post, which mentions that in that case, it would make more hockey sense to take a safer vet.

As for the selling him high option, it will not work (unless he is lights out, which is unlikely) for the exact same reason you wouldn't want to sigh him long term yourself. Teams will be leery of him for long term commitments. Because you know, those teams are run by the same woke crowd.

And thanks for your interest in my footwear, but I confess I am not much of a beach person. When I go running, I wear Brooks, which I highly recommend. When I play hoops with the young bucks, I wear Yonex for ankle stability as I have flat feet and tend to twist my ankle a lot.

Anything else you wanna ask me before you get your next ban?
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Jul 8 @ 3:25 PM ET
The Athletic put up their mock draft 2.0 and have the Flyers taking Fedor Svechkov at 13.


They have Calgary taking Sillinger at 12, and Dallas taking Fabian Lysell at 14.

If Lysell is available I would want Philly to take him. We need more speed and Lysell is a flat out burner.

https://theathletic.com/2...ll-the-wild-get-a-center/



14. Philadelphia Flyers: Fedor Svechkov, C, Togliatti-VHL

All things considered, I do think the Flyers would like to address their organizational depth at center in this draft, which is why Sillinger going one pick before them in this mock is tough. Fabian Lysell would fill a stylistic need for high-end speed, so he’d certainly be an option in this scenario, even though he’s a wing. And while the goalies falling to No. 13 here is intriguing, I wonder if the Flyers really want to spark the inevitable Carson Wentz/Jalen Hurts comparison in Philadelphia with Carter Hart by taking a goalie so early. But let’s go with Svechkov here, a center and a riser on draft boards. He fits the bill as the kind of two-way player that Flyers scouts tend to like, and his numbers as an 18-year old in the VHL against men proves that he’s not lacking offensive skill, either. -Charlie O’Connor
Stayin alive
Joined: 06.10.2021

Jul 8 @ 3:25 PM ET
100% false you turd.

If things work out in both hockey and behavior you can trade him and sell high can you not?

Homie is that cool guy professional lingo? Do you wear black socks to the beach with your sandals? You wear new balance sneaks?

- hello it's me 2050

Nobody disrespects new balance sneakers! NOBODY!!!
Nh_kong
Joined: 09.21.2020

Jul 8 @ 3:30 PM ET
Tarasenko for Voracek?

(IF Vlad can pass a physical.....)
PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Jul 8 @ 3:30 PM ET
Greatest press conference ever.


- MBFlyerfan


Wow, this was (frank)ing amazing.

(I have to confess I didn't realize there was this side to him. This from the guy who wouldn't even eat a slice of cake because it makes pure nutritional sense.

I guess he is Russian after all )
Stayin alive
Joined: 06.10.2021

Jul 8 @ 3:30 PM ET
The Athletic put up their mock draft 2.0 and have the Flyers taking Fedor Svechkov at 13.


They have Calgary taking Sillinger at 12, and Dallas taking Fabian Lysell at 14.

If Lysell is available I would want Philly to take him. We need more speed and Lysell is a flat out burner.

https://theathletic.com/2...ll-the-wild-get-a-center/

- MBFlyerfan


2way center🤮🤮🤮🤮
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jul 8 @ 3:39 PM ET
Finding future NHL players beyond the first round is good drafting. Finding future major impact players beyond round 1 is largely good fortune.

Example: Tampa took Dominik Masin and Johnathan MacLeod ahead of Point in 2014 (after DeAngelo in Rd 1). That wasn't some brilliant drafting strategy. It was good fortune on the outcome.

- bmeltzer


This has been brought up before yet ignored.
NC Flyers Fan
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.19.2018

Jul 8 @ 3:40 PM ET
Greatest press conference ever.
- MBFlyerfan


😂🤣

MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jul 8 @ 3:41 PM ET
I don't understand why this drafting later argument gets so much credence here.

You tell your kid to study hard. In his down time, you insist he learn the violin.

Turns out he is not much of a student. However, he develops into a first rate violinist.

Do you not get any credit for the last because you prioritized studying over music lessons?

- PT21


What a really bad and ill fitting analogy. Even for an expert scholar and academic.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Jul 8 @ 3:43 PM ET
In other words, you don't intend to sign him anyway, even if things work out. In which case, I suggest you reread my post, which mentions that in that case, it would make more hockey sense to take a safer vet.

As for the selling him high option, it will not work (unless he is lights out, which is unlikely) for the exact same reason you wouldn't want to sigh him long term yourself. Teams will be leery of him for long term commitments. Because you know, those teams are run by the same woke crowd.

And thanks for your interest in my footwear, but I confess I am not much of a beach person. When I go running, I wear Brooks, which I highly recommend. When I play hoops with the young bucks, I wear Yonex for ankle stability as I have flat feet and tend to twist my ankle a lot.

Anything else you wanna ask me before you get your next ban?

- PT21


You said later. Why are you responding? You have an addictive personality.

Not a beach fan as you probably have that alabaster white skin.

How long were yo marreid before your wife left you?
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jul 8 @ 3:45 PM ET
In other words, you don't intend to sign him anyway, even if things work out. In which case, I suggest you reread my post, which mentions that in that case, it would make more hockey sense to take a safer vet.

As for the selling him high option, it will not work (unless he is lights out, which is unlikely) for the exact same reason you wouldn't want to sigh him long term yourself. Teams will be leery of him for long term commitments. Because you know, those teams are run by the same woke crowd.

And thanks for your interest in my footwear, but I confess I am not much of a beach person. When I go running, I wear Brooks, which I highly recommend. When I play hoops with the young bucks, I wear Yonex for ankle stability as I have flat feet and tend to twist my ankle a lot.

Anything else you wanna ask me before you get your next ban?

- PT21



It's extremely ironic that a guy who is making personal references and insults to posters who aren't even involved and repeatedly brings politics into it, such as the repeated digs at Trump supporters, is commenting on someone else getting a ban.
PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Jul 8 @ 3:51 PM ET
You said later. Why are you responding? You have an addictive personality.

Not a beach fan as you probably have that alabaster white skin.

How long were yo marreid before your wife left you?

- hello it's me 2050


I am indeed responding later. As I said.

Why am I responding? Because I like trash talk and I am a procrastinating loser and no one else is saying anything.

Ruddy skin, not alabaster. Irish. Please don't forget the pony tail, btw.

And gee, I dunno. 21 years so far and growing stronger. How about I let you know after she does?

Bob Habib
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.01.2020

Jul 8 @ 3:54 PM ET
Weirdos
- Tomahawk

Are they not the same person?! Just swapping accounts up?
Flyers1218
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 06.28.2007

Jul 8 @ 3:56 PM ET
I see things are still the same here, lol.
Stayin alive
Joined: 06.10.2021

Jul 8 @ 3:56 PM ET
Are they not the same person?! Just swapping accounts up?
- Bob Habib

I have a smoking hot cousin. Drinking and partying and yes things went too far in a good way. Keep it in the family
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Jul 8 @ 3:58 PM ET
I am indeed responding later. As I said.

Why am I responding? Because I like trash talk and I am a procrastinating loser and no one else is saying anything.

Ruddy skin, not alabaster. Irish. Please don't forget the pony tail, btw.

And gee, I dunno. 21 years so far and growing stronger. How about I let you know after she does?

- PT21

So this is your second marriage. Got it.

You are terrible at "trash" talk. Stick to the I am smarter than everyone approach.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Jul 8 @ 3:59 PM ET
I have a smoking hot cousin. Drinking and partying and yes things went too far in a good way. Keep it in the family
- Stayin alive

My man
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