Possibly, but it's happened before and I don't see any reason why it's impossible it could happen again. Tampa did it in December, trading for Gaborik who was on LTIR with Ottawa.
- eichiefs9

Of course it could happen. I just think Chicago has insurance on their big ticket signings, Seabrook being one of them. If they do there's no benefit for them. If not then it makes sense. Knowing Ottawa's Ownership I'm thinking they didn't have insurance on Gaborik

They are at an age where this very likely is their last contract too. I agree that they would like to go to a team that is good.. but I don't see them signing a cheap deal either.. I guess we will see
- niteislander

They will take all they can get as they should. They may be willing to give a little discount to a contender, but I don't think it would be much.

Both made good money during their careers and will continue to get paid. I don't see either guy who both went to Mn to be near their families and hometowns, move their families away for a low priced short term contract. Just my opinion of course.
- nyisles7

For once I agree with your opinion. The idea that a guy who is 36 years old will take the mindset of.. "I already made all my money" and take a Cheap deal is just a farce. A guy like Joe Thornton at 42 who is just looking for one more shot to get his name on a cup.. I could see that.. but a guy who is 36 is looking at his last $$ for him and his family. After that he will be luck to make $100k as an asst. coach or TV/Radio guy. I think they will take the most they can get for the most term.

Possibly, but it's happened before and I don't see any reason why it's impossible it could happen again. Tampa did it in December, trading for Gaborik who was on LTIR with Ottawa.
- eichiefs9

I kind of feel like the NHL somewhat frowns upon these deals. For me it reminds me of the Isles of old that were trying to cheaply get to the cap floor. We loved those typed of contracts where the cap hit was more than the actual money when we had owners who were looking to make money on the team instead of putting a good team on the ice.

They will take all they can get as they should. They may be willing to give a little discount to a contender, but I don't think it would be much.
- JimmyP

Little discount will probably not due for most contenders. I think there is a time to get whatever you can but in the case of Parise and Suter this is not it. You have to be realistic as well and especially if you want to join a team with a chance to win.

For once I agree with your opinion. The idea that a guy who is 36 years old will take the mindset of.. "I already made all my money" and take a Cheap deal is just a farce. A guy like Joe Thornton at 42 who is just looking for one more shot to get his name on a cup.. I could see that.. but a guy who is 36 is looking at his last $$ for him and his family. After that he will be luck to make $100k as an asst. coach or TV/Radio guy. I think they will take the most they can get for the most term.
- niteislander

If Parise and Suter have not made enough for their families at 36 that is a huge problem. I get players have ego's but they are not 25 anymore and cannot expect to make close to the same money. Both players have plenty of age and mileage and they are not getting better at this point.

For once I agree with your opinion. The idea that a guy who is 36 years old will take the mindset of.. "I already made all my money" and take a Cheap deal is just a farce. A guy like Joe Thornton at 42 who is just looking for one more shot to get his name on a cup.. I could see that.. but a guy who is 36 is looking at his last $$ for him and his family. After that he will be luck to make $100k as an asst. coach or TV/Radio guy. I think they will take the most they can get for the most term.
- niteislander

You are aware that the Wild will be paying him 2/3 of what was left on his contract to not play for them right? Signing a cheap deal doesn't mean they're only making their salary from that deal. So out of the $10M left on his contract, the Wild will pay him $6.66M to play for someone else, plus whatever the new team pays them.

You are aware that the Wild will be paying him 2/3 of what was left on his contract to not play for them right? Signing a cheap deal doesn't mean they're only making their salary from that deal. So out of the $10M left on his contract, the Wild will pay him $6.66M to play for someone else, plus whatever the new team pays them.
- eichiefs9

Exactly! Do we need to start a fund for Parise and Suter? How dare these two get a cheaper deal from a contending team.

I kind of feel like the NHL somewhat frowns upon these deals. For me it reminds me of the Isles of old that were trying to cheaply get to the cap floor. We loved those typed of contracts where the cap hit was more than the actual money when we had owners who were looking to make money on the team instead of putting a good team on the ice.
- niteislander

After watching Kucherov sit out all year and then show up for the playoffs, I couldn't give a flying (frank) what the NHL frowns on or not. If it's legal, do it until it's no longer allowed.

After watching Kucherov sit out all year and then show up for the playoffs, I couldn't give a flying (frank) what the NHL frowns on or not. If it's legal, do it until it's no longer allowed.
- eichiefs9

Yep! Let the NHL put a stop tp it if they have a problem.

Exactly! Do we need to start a fund for Parise and Suter?
- ses111

I think Suter will have a fair amount of teams vying for his services. I wouldn't be surprised if he gets a halfway-decent contract, but I don't think people are quite going to be lining up for Parise.

Depends what each of them wants. If Suter wants another couple years of taking a real stab at a Cup, he has the income flexibility to take a team-friendly deal to play for a contender. If he doesn't care and he just wants to take the most money and coast through the rest of his career -- he'll probably get more from a bubble team.

Little discount will probably not due for most contenders. I think there is a time to get whatever you can but in the case of Parise and Suter this is not it. You have to be realistic as well and especially if you want to join a team with a chance to win.
- ses111

Well in the case of Suter I think he will have plenty of teams that want him that are contenders... Boston for sure IMO.

Parise is another story. this is an intersting post with a bunch of advanced stats on a lot of the guys being discussed a lot this week. Kind of shows me that my feeling on not wanting any part of Parise might be correct....

https://www.instagram.com...m_source=ig_web_copy_link

Well in the case of Suter I think he will have plenty of teams that want him that are contenders... Boston for sure IMO.

Parise is another story. this is an intersting post with a bunch of advanced stats on a lot of the guys being discussed a lot this week. Kind of shows me that my feeling on not wanting any part of Parise might be correct....

https://www.instagram.com...m_source=ig_web_copy_link
- niteislander

All depends what he's making. If Parise wants to play here for $750k, I'd sign him without blinking. He doesn't have to be in the lineup, but he's good veteran depth. If he wants anything more than $1M, I probably wouldn't be very interested.

You are aware that the Wild will be paying him 2/3 of what was left on his contract to not play for them right? Signing a cheap deal doesn't mean they're only making their salary from that deal. So out of the $10M left on his contract, the Wild will pay him $6.66M to play for someone else, plus whatever the new team pays them.
- eichiefs9

I am aware of it... but I just find it funny when people think b/c a player has made a certain amount of money that he no longer cares about money is often a topic. It's not the case.. again.. In My opinion. Players, Agents and their Wives take the most money .. most of the time.

All depends what he's making. If Parise wants to play here for $750k, I'd sign him without blinking. He doesn't have to be in the lineup, but he's good veteran depth. If he wants anything more than $1M, I probably wouldn't be very interested.
- eichiefs9

unfortunately as we learned with Zajac instead of Wahlstom.. he probably would be in the line up and we would all be furious about it.

I am aware of it... but I just find it funny when people think b/c a player has made a certain amount of money that he no longer cares about money is often a topic. It's not the case.. again.. In My opinion. Players, Agents and their Wives take the most money .. most of the time.
- niteislander

Most of the time, yes. But the guys who really want to win a Cup before they have to retire (and I think we're all in agreement both players are just about reaching the end of their careers) may be willing to sign with a contender for cheaper so they have a shot. I'm not claiming either is going to come running to us begging for the least amount of money possible, but it's not out of the realm of possibility. Especially not with Parise, who already was on board with a trade here. I'd rather have Parise as our 13th forward than Ross Johnston.

Exactly! Do we need to start a fund for Parise and Suter? How dare these two get a cheaper deal from a contending team.
- ses111

There is a big difference between a slightly cheaper deal and League minimum.. they don't need a fund b/c someone will pay them what they will no longer be getting from their previous contract.. at least.

Most of the time, yes. But the guys who really want to win a Cup before they have to retire (and I think we're all in agreement both players are just about reaching the end of their careers) may be willing to sign with a contender for cheaper so they have a shot. I'm not claiming either is going to come running to us begging for the least amount of money possible, but it's not out of the realm of possibility. Especially not with Parise, who already was on board with a trade here. I'd rather have Parise as our 13th forward than Ross Johnston.
- eichiefs9

Ross comes into the line up when the other team has a Ryan Reaves or Milan Lucic (or if Martin is hurt). I don't see Parise being ok with sitting 85% of the games as a healthy scratch.

unfortunately as we learned with Zajac instead of Wahlstom.. he probably would be in the line up and we would all be furious about it.
- niteislander

Zajac played center, was strong at the dot, and killed penalties. I would have much rather seen Wahlstrom out there because he has the ability impact a game more, but I can at least understand the reasoning with Zajac. Parise also plays LW, so I'm not entirely sure he'd be bumping Wahlstrom out of the lineup.

Well in the case of Suter I think he will have plenty of teams that want him that are contenders... Boston for sure IMO.

Parise is another story. this is an intersting post with a bunch of advanced stats on a lot of the guys being discussed a lot this week. Kind of shows me that my feeling on not wanting any part of Parise might be correct....

https://www.instagram.com...m_source=ig_web_copy_link
- niteislander

Suter for sure should make more for Parise but I would even be careful in the money I give Suter. Honestly Zach on the Islanders is a nice story because of JP but Zach is not going to put the Isles over the top. A cheap deal for a year I'm interested otherwise No.

Ross comes into the line up when the other team has a Ryan Reaves or Milan Lucic (or if Martin is hurt). I don't see Parise being ok with sitting 85% of the games as a healthy scratch.
- niteislander

Maybe not. If that's the case then maybe he won't sign here. I'm not dying for him.

But if signing Parise and losing Eberle/Leddy allows the Isles to re-sign Palmieri and round out the third line then I'm intrigued at the idea, that's all. Parise posted 25-21-46pts in 69 games in the covid-shortened season, he wouldn't be some scrapheap signing. A third line of Parise-Pageau-Wahlstrom might be pretty solid. I'd rather sign Blake Coleman, but he'll be a very sought-after UFA.

Zajac played center, was strong at the dot, and killed penalties. I would have much rather seen Wahlstrom out there because he has the ability impact a game more, but I can at least understand the reasoning with Zajac. Parise also plays LW, so I'm not entirely sure he'd be bumping Wahlstrom out of the lineup.
- eichiefs9

Leo on the 1st line never made sense especially with what Palms showed on the 1st line during a short time. Zajac did make more sense on the 3rd than Leo on the 1st. Wahlstrom still should have gotten a look and getting shutout twice hammers it home.

Leo on the 1st line never made sense especially with what Palms showed on the 1st line during a short time. Zajac did make more sense on the 3rd than Leo on the 1st. Wahlstrom still should have gotten a look and getting shutout twice hammers it home.
- ses111

Yeah, I agree. I would have much rather seen Wahlstrom in the lineup, but I can buy the logic behind Barry's decision. I don't think that same logic would apply to Parise vs. Wahlstrom, though.

There is a big difference between a slightly cheaper deal and League minimum.. they don't need a fund b/c someone will pay them what they will no longer be getting from their previous contract.. at least.
- niteislander

If they can get more money God Bless. Most teams with a chance to win a Cup will be up against the Cap and especially this year. If Parise and Suter want a chance to win a Cup it's not an insult if they take a cheap deal and especially when the Wild are still paying them.

Yeah, I agree. I would have much rather seen Wahlstrom in the lineup, but I can buy the logic behind Barry's decision. I don't think that same logic would apply to Parise vs. Wahlstrom, though.
- eichiefs9

We have to be careful. Even questioning Barry could mean a ban. We can only question Garth, Cappy, and Doug hockey people.