He had a lot of cap, but has now wasted it. Keith does not make them better. they have McDavid and Drais in their primes. They must get much better this offseason. this does not do it.
- RogerRoeper

LOL, HAD? That is past tense. Do your self and others a service so they don't get mis lead by your ignorance and read the cap on Edmonton before you say that? We still have 8 figures of cap space. Klefbom is another 4,167,000 on LTIR come game 1 of 2021-22.

Could this trade have anything to do with how the Oil were / are thinking about the expansion draft…. Perhaps ?
- dozerD10

It (frank)s over their expansion draft too. Means they can't sign Larsson until after the expansion draft.

If they sign him before, and they obviously would want to protect him, then they'll have to expose one of Puljujarvi or Yamamoto instead.

Keep drinking the water hahahaha. You have soooooooo much cap room you may as well trade for Eichel & Point while you can fit them.
- Kevin R

Ya cause that is what we need? Goof

What?!? The cap hit is everything to a team wanting to contend and not waste the second comings prime years. No fan of the oilers cares about the actual money. Are you the child of ownership hoping your inheritance dosnt get wasted on a competent hockey team?
- BrainSap

I actually hope Katz loses money. F him. This year with no fans and very little revenue was GREAT! The more money that tool loses the better. Edmonton better cirmuvent the cap like TB and Toronto have been doing. With one winning the last game of the year and the other poopting the bed. It WAS 3-1 LOL... If Oilers have a 100,000,000 payroll and Katz has to pay for that I ll probably have a stroke laughing.

It (frank)s over their expansion draft too. Means they can't sign Larsson until after the expansion draft.

If they sign him before, and they obviously would want to protect him, then they'll have to expose one of Puljujarvi or Yamamoto instead.
- BINGO!

Hand shake deal mang! All good!

Excellent move by the Oilers. They have successfully removed the better player in the deal and have all but guaranteed another squandered year of McDavid.

Cap space is more valueable than real dollars if your organizational need is depth. If Holland was taking on full cap AND sending a conditional 3rd, he should have been getting a top-tier prospect or a 1st round pick back.
Yes the Oil have some cap space but using a chunk of it up by acquiring a 38yr old that takes up $5+ of your cap when you already expect him to be your 4th best defenseman doesn’t seem like a good idea.
For now conventional wisdom suggests that this is a terrible deal for the Oilers. It’ll be up to Oilers to play the season and prove all of us wrong.

Cap space is more valueable than real dollars if your organizational need is depth. If Holland was taking on full cap AND sending a conditional 3rd, he should have been getting a top-tier prospect or a 1st round pick back.
Yes the Oil have some cap space but using a chunk of it up by acquiring a 38yr old that takes up $5+ of your cap when you already expect him to be your 4th best defenseman doesn’t seem like a good idea.
For now conventional wisdom suggests that this is a terrible deal for the Oilers. It’ll be up to Oilers to play the season and prove all of us wrong.
- Turnitaround

Fair statement. Thats ultimately what its about. We armchair GM's can poop on or give praise as we see fit. Its just curious no one outside Hawks and Oilers fans (armchair GM's) see this as a good deal. I like Keith, met him at a golf tourney. Super good guy, was a beast and was a huge part of the Hawks Cup winning years. If he has gas in the tank great but as Calgary sees with Gio, its a diminishing contribution and eating valuable cap space for a player in the twilight of (their) career. He's earned the right to be selective but the deal does hurt the ability to get the holes in the Oil lineup filled. Right now Koskinen is their starter and he's on the buyout rumor train. Its not that Keith can't or won't compete, its the cost to put together a lineup to support their superstars, and keep pucks out of the net...

How many calls did Bowman have to make until he found someone DUMB enough to agree to this deal?

So Ryan Suter is 2 years younger than Keith, better and now can be signed for free..

So Ryan Suter is 2 years younger than Keith, better and now can be signed for free..
- RogerRoeper

Sign him too. Then you have the two best d-men in the league….from 2013.

ken holland has not proven that he can operate in a cap world.
he ran the wings into the ground with his dumb signings/trades.
hope it works out better for EDM.

Fair statement. Thats ultimately what its about. We armchair GM's can poop on or give praise as we see fit. Its just curious no one outside Hawks and Oilers fans (armchair GM's) see this as a good deal. I like Keith, met him at a golf tourney. Super good guy, was a beast and was a huge part of the Hawks Cup winning years. If he has gas in the tank great but as Calgary sees with Gio, its a diminishing contribution and eating valuable cap space for a player in the twilight of (their) career. He's earned the right to be selective but the deal does hurt the ability to get the holes in the Oil lineup filled. Right now Koskinen is their starter and he's on the buyout rumor train. Its not that Keith can't or won't compete, its the cost to put together a lineup to support their superstars, and keep pucks out of the net...
- geta02it

No Oiler fan thinks this is a good deal, outside of apparently one delusional individual (possibly Kenny himself). I have no issue with Keith being brought in, especially if Klefbom is out for the year, but the cost to acquire was way too high. Deal makes no sense at all.

ken holland has not proven that he can operate in a cap world.
he ran the wings into the ground with his dumb signings/trades.
hope it works out better for EDM.
- wingz4life

I can't for the life of me understand how anyone honestly looks at what Holland did in his recent years at Detroit and think it is someone that should be hired.

I can't for the life of me understand how anyone honestly looks at what Holland did in his recent years at Detroit and think it is someone that should be hired.
- jfkst1

he was a heck of a GM when he hall of famers willing to come here all the time and extended that with the drafting zetterberg/datsyuk.
hes in the HOF but for me hes vastly overrated. his poor trades/signings prove that.

So Ryan Suter is 2 years younger than Keith, better and now can be signed for free..
- RogerRoeper

Assuming he wants to play in Edmonton. More likely the Panthers will be calling. Or the Islanders.

No Oiler fan thinks this is a good deal, outside of apparently one delusional individual (possibly Kenny himself). I have no issue with Keith being brought in, especially if Klefbom is out for the year, but the cost to acquire was way too high. Deal makes no sense at all.
- Beergu

Gio is still competitive but not what he was and why I think the Flames expose him. Its not like Keith is the same as bringing Kevin Lowe out of retirement to play, its just that contract for that diminished asset is going to limit signing players with expiring contracts this and next season, let alone any RFA's. Suter and Parise are available?

In order for a trade to be a bad trade, you'll have to have lost more than you have gained.

The Oilers lost basically nothing. What they're getting is experience, mentality, culture... while they don't show up on stats sheets for individuals, they show up on the stats sheets for teammates.

But the Millennials judge all players in a vacuum of their own play rather than how a player has any form of aura whatsoever. That's why they make terrible armchair GMs. And that ridiculous attitude is infecting the media and they're asking equally stupid questions.

Could Holland have gotten Chicago to retain 1.5M/y? Yes... but are people complaining that the Oilers are losing 1.5m/y? Because that's about all they lost in this deal. Jones is a nothing defensemen... you can sign AHL free agents at that calibre... and a 3rd round pick? Like the Oilers didn't give away much. And people treat Keith like he's Jack Johnson: quite the contrary... Keith knows what it takes to win in this league.
- archromat

Put it any way you want it, its an awful deal for EDM

- handicapped themselves with these two picks
- created a possibility for cap recapture
- didn't get any salary retained
- took on an extra contract/salary (AHL buried?)
- gave up a player a younger player that may actually have upside or is equivalent to Keith now
- and must now protect Keith at the expansion when i assume they didn't plan to protect C. Jones
- They take themselves out of the running for any UFAs come Free Agency

Duncan Keith sucks so bad that he was the #1 DMan on the Blackhawks team who BEAT the Oilers in the Playoff Bubble last summer. Duncan Keith is so terrible that he matched up against McDavid/Draisaitl in the Play-In series and the Hawks won the series. HE MUST BE THE WORST DMAN IN THE LEAGUE THEN...just look at what the fancy stat chart says!

The REBUILDING Chicago Blackhawks ,with the horse that should be put down in Duncan Keith as the #1 Dman, beat the "Playoff Contender" Oilers...but Oilers fans are acting like Stan Bowman just (frank)ed their Mother and Girlfriend at the same time.


Stan Bowman really fleeced Holland getting Caleb Jones and his 13 minutes of ice time with 4 assists and a -7 rating....what a STEAL!

So Ryan Suter is 2 years younger than Keith, better and now can be signed for free..
- RogerRoeper

Something that most people forget is that not many people want to move to Edmonton. Not to play for the Oilers, but live in Edmonton (no offense). That's why Oilers overpay for free agents (e.g. Lucic). That's why there is a large enough number of hockey players going to/from Flames: they either love this region, or they don't. There is no in between.

So to have someone like Keith wanting to play in Edmonton is a huge win for the city.

Also, I know fans don't give a poop, but cash outlay for Keith is $3,600,000 vs. $11,000,000 cap hit. The savings probably mean a lot to the owner.

No Oiler fan thinks this is a good deal, outside of apparently one delusional individual (possibly Kenny himself). I have no issue with Keith being brought in, especially if Klefbom is out for the year, but the cost to acquire was way too high. Deal makes no sense at all.
- Beergu

W


Was the cost that high? They swapped players who may or may not have played in the nhl next season kind of a wash

3rd round pick not crazy with you guys make it to the final show for it to become a2nd I doubt most would complain.

I believe it’s the full cap hit that has everyone losing there minds.
If it was half then it would’ve been ok.

The curious thing for me I say the timing before the Seattle draft as why the oil would take on his nmc

Duncan Keith sucks so bad that he was the #1 DMan on the Blackhawks team who BEAT the Oilers in the Playoff Bubble last summer. Duncan Keith is so terrible that he matched up against McDavid/Draisaitl in the Play-In series and the Hawks won the series. HE MUST BE THE WORST DMAN IN THE LEAGUE THEN...just look at what the fancy stat chart says!

The REBUILDING Chicago Blackhawks ,with the horse that should be put down in Duncan Keith as the #1 Dman, beat the "Playoff Contender" Oilers...but Oilers fans are acting like Stan Bowman just (frank)ed their Mother and Girlfriend at the same time.


Stan Bowman really fleeced Holland getting Caleb Jones and his 13 minutes of ice time with 4 assists and a -7 rating....what a STEAL!



- EnzoD

Yes because clearly a 24 year old defenseman cant get better. Not to mention that Holland was trading from a position of strength given Keith wanted out. Could have gone after Suter and gave up nothing. All he had to do was be patient.

Its not even the fact that Keith is old and a bad contract. Its that Holland had to add to the trade and didnt even get cap retained

For a team with very little character, I don't think this is a bad trade.
Case in point the monumental collapse of the Oilers vs the Jets.
The team needs a leader on the back end... it is not Klefbom, Nurse, or Larsson...

Keith is someone who can rally the troops in those dire times.

The team has no one with the same level of experience.

The cap hit sucks, but Jones wasn't going to make the lineup next season anyway... so using the term asset is a little generous.

Again, you don't have to like the cap hit... but the team is better than it was before

Put it any way you want it, its an awful deal for EDM

- handicapped themselves with these two picks
- created a possibility for cap recapture
- didn't get any salary retained
- took on an extra contract/salary (AHL buried?)
- gave up a player a younger player that may actually have upside or is equivalent to Keith now
- and must now protect Keith at the expansion when i assume they didn't plan to protect C. Jones
- They take themselves out of the running for any UFAs come Free Agency
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

I am convinced Blackhawk fans are the most biased delusional morons on this site. And that is truly saying something. A shocking percentage of them think Keith is redeemable on his full cap hit.

I am one of them idiots I guess? Can you explain how Keith contact harms the Oilers cap that is so bad. Edmonton has for 2020-21 59,432,500 committed to our cap. Add 4,000,000 for Larsen, 2,500,000 (ball park) for Yamamoto.. Not sure about a G as Mike Smith is 40 next January or was it this past one? Maybe add 6,000,000 for a NYI or NYR, or Columbus G and we are at 71,000,000. So now we are at 71,000,000. Hmmm the cap is 80,500,000? So please enlighten me as to this check book balance and how Holland so screwed it up? Also how the salary cap works.. Say a Top 2 D man with a bad shoulder goes on the LTIR and saves us 4,167,000 and is ready for the second season aka when no salary cap is in place a la Kucherov. Ya Holland what a DUMMY. I don't know man I don't get it. Guy gets 5,000,000 a year??? Unreal he is so much dumber than guys like us I would say? No way Holland and the Oilers brass did anything like due diligence on say Duncan Keith and found out he is a fitness freak like say Chris Chellios was? And maybe that there is a lot more left in Keith's tank than idiot arm chair fans and their statistical analysis have figured out. I am sure Keith who has won 3 cups, a conn smythe, and gold medals is just riding off into the sun set and has no will to win. Seems his pedigree? No way playing wth 97 and 29 is gonna motivate him to get back to his 60 point seasons or anything like that? Such a bad trade. Tyson Barrie obviously must be signed for 12,000,000 a year based on leading the NHL in points last year! He is that good (sarcasm). Keith will get 50 points by accident on our league best pp by accident.
- al3535

Wtf are you on?

Oilers have 11.5M in cap space left with only 10 forwards signed and 7 defensemen, 1 of which won't be on NHL ice next year and 2 of which are question marks, and only 2 goalies one of which is Alex Stalock.

Explain to me how you expect to upgrade needing at least 3 forwards, 2d, and a goalie with only 11.5M in cap to spend?

Duncan Keith is not a bad acquisition. But he is with 0 salary retention.

Fire Holland.