For a team with very little character, I don't think this is a bad trade.
Case in point the monumental collapse of the Oilers vs the Jets.
The team needs a leader on the back end... it is not Klefbom, Nurse, or Larsson...

Keith is someone who can rally the troops in those dire times.

The team has no one with the same level of experience.

The cap hit sucks, but Jones wasn't going to make the lineup next season anyway... so using the term asset is a little generous.

Again, you don't have to like the cap hit... but the team is better than it was before
- Eersel

The guy is nearly as old as the cup, no kidding no one with that experience. And it's questionable if the team is better now. We don't have 5.5M to pursue depth for the bottom 6 anymore and only 11.5M before the expansion draft to fill out at least 6 roster spots.

Good pick up. They have plenty of cap space and it's only two more years in his contract. He is a winner and Hall of famer. Adding him to a locker room that has no winners can pay off huge dividends. He can be on 2nd or 3 rd pairing and play PP2.

Good pick up. They have plenty of cap space and it's only two more years in his contract. He is a winner and Hall of famer. Adding him to a locker room that has no winners can pay off huge dividends. He can be on 2nd or 3 rd pairing and play PP2.
- rrentz

They have 11.5M in cap space now while needing at least 3fw 2d 1g. That isn't plenty of cap. And Keith hasn't won anything in almost a decade. He may not be a bad piece to have, but at 5.5M he is not an asset.

They have 11.5M in cap space now while needing at least 3fw 2d 1g. That isn't plenty of cap. And Keith hasn't won anything in almost a decade. He may not be a bad piece to have, but at 5.5M he is not an asset.
- wreckage

No sense in arguing with these morons. Same fans that thought Scuderi for Daley and Saad for Panarin were good deals.

They have 11.5M in cap space now while needing at least 3fw 2d 1g. That isn't plenty of cap. And Keith hasn't won anything in almost a decade. He may not be a bad piece to have, but at 5.5M he is not an asset.
- wreckage

And who the fuuuck is signing with EDM as a FA!? Sure , western Canada is a hot spot for NHL FAs....LMAO
Just be happy EDM actually got someone who has won something . You will still have extra cap space b/c no one of worth will sign there anyway.

And who the fuuuck is signing with EDM as a FA!? Sure , western Canada is a hot spot for NHL FAs....LMAO
Just be happy EDM actually got someone who has won something . You will still have extra cap space b/c no one of worth will sign there anyway.
- rrentz

You mean like Tyson Barrie didn't sign there last year? Milan Lucic when he was the top FA? Andrej Sekeras didn't sign there as a top FA in his free agency? Alex Chiasson, Tyler Ennis, Mike Smith, Kyle Turris... all capable players who chose Edmonton. But keep up the narrative of no one from western Canada wants to play in western Canada.

You mean like Tyson Barrie didn't sign there last year? Milan Lucic when he was the top FA? Andrej Sekeras didn't sign there as a top FA in his free agency? Alex Chiasson, Tyler Ennis, Mike Smith, Kyle Turris... all capable players who chose Edmonton. But keep up the narrative of no one from western Canada wants to play in western Canada.
- wreckage

Besides Barrie, Oh yes....what a top notch list of stud players. LMAO

Duncan Keith sucks so bad that he was the #1 DMan on the Blackhawks team who BEAT the Oilers in the Playoff Bubble last summer. Duncan Keith is so terrible that he matched up against McDavid/Draisaitl in the Play-In series and the Hawks won the series. HE MUST BE THE WORST DMAN IN THE LEAGUE THEN...just look at what the fancy stat chart says!

The REBUILDING Chicago Blackhawks ,with the horse that should be put down in Duncan Keith as the #1 Dman, beat the "Playoff Contender" Oilers...but Oilers fans are acting like Stan Bowman just (frank)ed their Mother and Girlfriend at the same time.


Stan Bowman really fleeced Holland getting Caleb Jones and his 13 minutes of ice time with 4 assists and a -7 rating....what a STEAL!



HAHAHAHAHA. Facts matter.


- EnzoD

Something that most people forget is that not many people want to move to Edmonton. Not to play for the Oilers, but live in Edmonton (no offense). That's why Oilers overpay for free agents (e.g. Lucic). That's why there is a large enough number of hockey players going to/from Flames: they either love this region, or they don't. There is no in between.

So to have someone like Keith wanting to play in Edmonton is a huge win for the city.

Also, I know fans don't give a poop, but cash outlay for Keith is $3,600,000 vs. $11,000,000 cap hit. The savings probably mean a lot to the owner.
- CSKA1981

Wtf are you on?

Oilers have 11.5M in cap space left with only 10 forwards signed and 7 defensemen, 1 of which won't be on NHL ice next year and 2 of which are question marks, and only 2 goalies one of which is Alex Stalock.

Explain to me how you expect to upgrade needing at least 3 forwards, 2d, and a goalie with only 11.5M in cap to spend?

Duncan Keith is not a bad acquisition. But he is with 0 salary retention.

Fire Holland.
- wreckage

So having 17 NHL players on the roster and according to Cap Central 15,159,538 left to sign Khaira, probably not Kahun, Yami, possibly Larsen, and a G is not possible? Really? Really?? You do get that Broberg, Bouchard, and McLeod combined make a grand total of 2,591,667.00 in 2021-22. If you think those guys wont get a shot or be able to make the Edmonton Oilers you are delusional. I am not even sure how to describe your thinking.

Good pick up. They have plenty of cap space and it's only two more years in his contract. He is a winner and Hall of famer. Adding him to a locker room that has no winners can pay off huge dividends. He can be on 2nd or 3 rd pairing and play PP2.
- rrentz

And who the fuuuck is signing with EDM as a FA!? Sure , western Canada is a hot spot for NHL FAs....LMAO
Just be happy EDM actually got someone who has won something . You will still have extra cap space b/c no one of worth will sign there anyway.
- rrentz

So having 17 NHL players on the roster and according to Cap Central 15,159,538 left to sign Khaira, probably not Kahun, Yami, possibly Larsen, and a G is not possible? Really? Really?? You do get that Broberg, Bouchard, and McLeod combined make a grand total of 2,591,667.00 in 2021-22. If you think those guys wont get a shot or be able to make the Edmonton Oilers you are delusional. I am not even sure how to describe your thinking.
- al3535

I'm sorry but capfriendly is the go to for cap numbers so I am using it, and they have the Oilers with $11,532,379 left in space. Sure a buyout of Neal or Koskinen opens up more space, but also another hole to fill.

Broberg hasn't even skated on N. American ice, he will not be up next year. Bouchard will be a full timer, and McLeod will be given an opportunity. As of right now we need a 1st line LW, a second line RW, a 4th line C and at least 2 extra forwards. Then they need a 2nd pair LD, a spare D, a #1G and probably another NHL caliber 3rd G.

You think I'm the delusional one around here, yet majority of the people are saying the Keith deal was brutal, while you and 2 others are saying how great it is. Usually the majority aren't the delusional ones.

I'm sorry but capfriendly is the go to for cap numbers so I am using it, and they have the Oilers with $11,532,379 left in space. Sure a buyout of Neal or Koskinen opens up more space, but also another hole to fill.

B, he will not be up next year. Bouchard will be a full timer, and McLeod will be given an opportunity. As of right now we need a 1st line LW, a second line RW, a 4th line C and at least 2 extra forwards. Then they need a 2nd pair LD, a spare D, a #1G and probably another NHL caliber 3rd G.

You think I'm the delusional one around here, yet majority of the people are saying the Keith deal was brutal, while you and 2 others are saying how great it is. Usually the majority aren't the delusional ones.
- wreckage

So you are doubting Hockey buzz's Cap central page? How do you justify that? Look the two up then and if I am wrong I will happily admit that. I would like to not sound like a moron if you are correct and I am wrong. It is up to date, so that is the one I am going to use. It has DK2 and Soderlund on it so I would take that as up to date and accurate. So we need a 1 LW? Was that a typo? Pretty sure LD29 has that one covered quite well, or RNH93? Whatever that one is not a discussion, well to me anyway. RNH or Draisaitl is a 1 LW or 2 C, agreed? A 2 LW I ll give you that. His name is Tomas Tatar. And he was paid let us see. 2,750,000 in 2020. He played 5 or 6 games in a Stanley Cup run to the finals. Hmmm I wonder if his stock rose or dropped cause of the last 8 or so weeks. So Holland has a bit of a chance on Tuna, or am I delusional? Would you agree Holland and Tuna have a history and good rapport from their 10 year give or take time in Detroit? So that one is crossed off. On a Barrie show me type contract with any luck? I guess we will see on July 28 - the start of August on that one. A 2 nd Pair LD? Really? Is there something wrong with Nurse, Keith (LOL), or Russel? A spare D meh ok I ll give you that. Say any of these guys just cause I felt like clicking on the Bruins : Mike Reilly D UFA
Kevan Miller D UFA
Steven Kampfer D UFA
Jarred Tinordi. D UFA

I would think league minimum gets one of them. As for a G? Pretty sure with Seattle coming into the league and only 1 G being able to be protected league wide there will be deals to be had and for cheap. So tell me again how screwed we are cause of DK2? As you so astutely mentioned a buy out of Neal or Koskinen is on the horizon too.

Broberg was with us for the whole play in series and looked damn good in the bubble. He absolutely has a shot of playing in the NHL next year BTW. The Oilers already have Stalock (785,000) as our NHL # 3 on our cap . Two extra forwards that is league minimum or close to it.


I haven't worked in over a decade so I spend A LOT of time on the Oilers. Kind of know my stuff.

Thanks for coming out

So you are doubting Hockey buzz's Cap central page? How do you justify that? Look the two up then and if I am wrong I will happily admit that. I would like to not sound like a moron if you are correct and I am wrong. It is up to date, so that is the one I am going to use. It has DK2 and Soderlund on it so I would take that as up to date and accurate. So we need a 1 LW? Was that a typo? Pretty sure LD29 has that one covered quite well, or RNH93? Whatever that one is not a discussion, well to me anyway. RNH or Draisaitl is a 1 LW or 2 C, agreed? A 2 LW I ll give you that. His name is Tomas Tatar. And he was paid let us see. 2,750,000 in 2020. He played 5 or 6 games in a Stanley Cup run to the finals. Hmmm I wonder if his stock rose or dropped cause of the last 8 or so weeks. So Holland has a bit of a chance on Tuna, or am I delusional? Would you agree Holland and Tuna have a history and good rapport from their 10 year give or take time in Detroit? So that one is crossed off. On a Barrie show me type contract with any luck? I guess we will see on July 28 - the start of August on that one. A 2 nd Pair LD? Really? Is there something wrong with Nurse, Keith (LOL), or Russel? A spare D meh ok I ll give you that. Say any of these guys just cause I felt like clicking on the Bruins : Mike Reilly D UFA
Kevan Miller D UFA
Steven Kampfer D UFA
Jarred Tinordi. D UFA

I would think league minimum gets one of them. As for a G? Pretty sure with Seattle coming into the league and only 1 G being able to be protected league wide there will be deals to be had and for cheap. So tell me again how screwed we are cause of DK2? As you so astutely mentioned a buy out of Neal or Koskinen is on the horizon too.

Broberg was with us for the whole play in series and looked damn good in the bubble. He absolutely has a shot of playing in the NHL next year BTW. The Oilers already have Stalock (785,000) as our NHL # 3 on our cap . Two extra forwards that is league minimum or close to it.


I haven't worked in over a decade so I spend A LOT of time on the Oilers. Kind of know my stuff.

Thanks for coming out
- al3535

you're on crack if you trust anything on this website

So you are doubting Hockey buzz's Cap central page? How do you justify that? Look the two up then and if I am wrong I will happily admit that. I would like to not sound like a moron if you are correct and I am wrong. It is up to date, so that is the one I am going to use. It has DK2 and Soderlund on it so I would take that as up to date and accurate. So we need a 1 LW? Was that a typo? Pretty sure LD29 has that one covered quite well, or RNH93? Whatever that one is not a discussion, well to me anyway. RNH or Draisaitl is a 1 LW or 2 C, agreed? A 2 LW I ll give you that. His name is Tomas Tatar. And he was paid let us see. 2,750,000 in 2020. He played 5 or 6 games in a Stanley Cup run to the finals. Hmmm I wonder if his stock rose or dropped cause of the last 8 or so weeks. So Holland has a bit of a chance on Tuna, or am I delusional? Would you agree Holland and Tuna have a history and good rapport from their 10 year give or take time in Detroit? So that one is crossed off. On a Barrie show me type contract with any luck? I guess we will see on July 28 - the start of August on that one. A 2 nd Pair LD? Really? Is there something wrong with Nurse, Keith (LOL), or Russel? A spare D meh ok I ll give you that. Say any of these guys just cause I felt like clicking on the Bruins : Mike Reilly D UFA
Kevan Miller D UFA
Steven Kampfer D UFA
Jarred Tinordi. D UFA

I would think league minimum gets one of them. As for a G? Pretty sure with Seattle coming into the league and only 1 G being able to be protected league wide there will be deals to be had and for cheap. So tell me again how screwed we are cause of DK2? As you so astutely mentioned a buy out of Neal or Koskinen is on the horizon too.

Broberg was with us for the whole play in series and looked damn good in the bubble. He absolutely has a shot of playing in the NHL next year BTW. The Oilers already have Stalock (785,000) as our NHL # 3 on our cap . Two extra forwards that is league minimum or close to it.


I haven't worked in over a decade so I spend A LOT of time on the Oilers. Kind of know my stuff.

Thanks for coming out
- al3535

As of now our lines look like:
??? - CMD (12.5)- Pulj (1.175) -> 13.675
RNH (5.125)- Drai (8.5)- ??? -> 13.625
Neal (5.75)- McLeod (834k) - Archibald (1.5) -> 8.084
Shore (850k)- Turris (1.65)- Kassian (3.2) -> 5.700
Lucic (750k) retained
Forwards total -> 41,034,750

Nurse (5.6) - Bear (2.0) -> 7.6
Keith (5.538) - ??? -> 5.538
Russell (1.250) - Bouchard (863k) -> 2.113
Klefbom (4.167) IR can't be used until game 1
Sekeras (1.50) Buyout
Defense total -> 20,918,000

Koskinen (4.5)
Stalock (785k)
Goalie total -> 5.285
Grand total -> 67,237,750
Net left -> 14,262,250

That's not including Broberg or Lagesson as reserves and needing 3 roster players and at least 2 reserves and another goalie.

I doubt Neal is here so that's one more spot to fill. Maybe Larsson signs a team friendly to take that 2d spot. I don't think Turris should be on any NHL regular lineup. Nor should Russell. They can be extras but not regulars. And that goaltending is hot trash and from what I have read is its not certain Stalock can/will ever actually play again. Either way, they need another capable goalie and Smith is reportedly asking for 3M. And we should be looking for a longer term goalie than a 40 year old Smith. Good as a 1b but not 1a.

Tomas Tatar made 5.3M each of the last 4 years. Don't know where you got 2.75M from. And yes Holland drafted him 12 years ago so they do have history, but he isn't taking 2M to play here.

Barrie took a 3.5M show me deal last year and has reportedly told his agent to see I'd EDM would go 3yr x 5M. Looks like they gave that money to Keith.

Broberg is 20 years old and hasn't played a single game in North America besides world Jr's ect. Ken Holland make guys Marinade in the minors. Just ask your boy Tuna, drafted in 09, wasn't a regular until 2013-14 season.

So all this and I am sure they would like to save some money in case of injuries or for late season upgrades. And then the following season they need to give Nurse, JP, Bear, and McLeod all raises. Where is this cap space coming from?

So realistic targets:
As you suggested let's try for Tatar. I'm guessing he won't take less than 3.5M. There is your LW1.
Let's resign Yamamoto to a bridge for 2RW. That's likely 2.5M.
Let's prey Larsson takes a small haircut to stay where he's comfortable. That's 4M.

So that's 10M of 14.2M used just to skate a full roster. So 4.2M to find a backup goalie and 2 reserve forwards. And we still don't look like a team that can compete for a cup.

Thanks for coming out.

Good pick up. They have plenty of cap space and it's only two more years in his contract. He is a winner and Hall of famer. Adding him to a locker room that has no winners can pay off huge dividends. He can be on 2nd or 3 rd pairing and play PP2.
- rrentz

But that's all based on the past. He's 38 and isn't playing well at all. And 'Only" 2 more years, he's 38. That's long-term for a guy pushing 40

Oilers issue is not 'Leadership" at all. they desperatly need more talent and depth. He is not a good D anymore.

For a team with very little character, I don't think this is a bad trade.
Case in point the monumental collapse of the Oilers vs the Jets.
The team needs a leader on the back end... it is not Klefbom, Nurse, or Larsson...

Keith is someone who can rally the troops in those dire times.

The team has no one with the same level of experience.

The cap hit sucks, but Jones wasn't going to make the lineup next season anyway... so using the term asset is a little generous.

Again, you don't have to like the cap hit... but the team is better than it was before
- Eersel

You honestly think Oilers had a "Collapse"? They got swept because Jets can roll 4 lines and Oilers have 0 depth. They are not losing because of character. the team is not good at all. Jets are easily the better team. If McDavid doesn't carry the team the Oilers are done.

you're on crack if you trust anything on this website
- oiljapan

lol

As of now our lines look like:
??? - CMD (12.5)- Pulj (1.175) -> 13.675
RNH (5.125)- Drai (8.5)- ??? -> 13.625
Neal (5.75)- McLeod (834k) - Archibald (1.5) -> 8.084
Shore (850k)- Turris (1.65)- Kassian (3.2) -> 5.700
Lucic (750k) retained
Forwards total -> 41,034,750

Nurse (5.6) - Bear (2.0) -> 7.6
Keith (5.538) - ??? -> 5.538
Russell (1.250) - Bouchard (863k) -> 2.113
Klefbom (4.167) IR can't be used until game 1
Sekeras (1.50) Buyout
Defense total -> 20,918,000


If this message is all over the place my eyes just opened. I have got 27 holes of golf to play in a bit. Gotta get going to the putting green for 45 or so. Did Koskinen or and or Neal get bought out in one in your scenario? I would assume but I am not Ken Holland so am not going to assume. But I would imagine Holland would know exactly to the nickel what his cap actually is. We can be 10% over the cap until Day 1 of 2021-22. Say when a guy for 4,100,000 goes on LTIR to BTW. So maybe Kenny buys out both or has a Seattle deal pre negotiated? What is our cap then? One or both of them are BETTER BE happening. Anyway so to sum up we are not owned by Cal Nichols and EIG and have no $$ for a G and never will. We will have a good G by probably the draft. I guess the spinning of the wheels and wasting 97 and 29's prime of their careers continues in your mind? LOL I don't believe any of that for a nano second. But thanks for sharing your thoughts. Is a different way of looking at it than me for sure. If you around YEG enjoy your day. She's a scorcher already.

Koskinen (4.5)
Stalock (785k)
Goalie total -> 5.285
Grand total -> 67,237,750
Net left -> 14,262,250

That's not including Broberg or Lagesson as reserves and needing 3 roster players and at least 2 reserves and another goalie.

I doubt Neal is here so that's one more spot to fill. Maybe Larsson signs a team friendly to take that 2d spot. I don't think Turris should be on any NHL regular lineup. Nor should Russell. They can be extras but not regulars. And that goaltending is hot trash and from what I have read is its not certain Stalock can/will ever actually play again. Either way, they need another capable goalie and Smith is reportedly asking for 3M. And we should be looking for a longer term goalie than a 40 year old Smith. Good as a 1b but not 1a.

Tomas Tatar made 5.3M each of the last 4 years. Don't know where you got 2.75M from. And yes Holland drafted him 12 years ago so they do have history, but he isn't taking 2M to play here.

Barrie took a 3.5M show me deal last year and has reportedly told his agent to see I'd EDM would go 3yr x 5M. Looks like they gave that money to Keith.

Broberg is 20 years old and hasn't played a single game in North America besides world Jr's ect. Ken Holland make guys Marinade in the minors. Just ask your boy Tuna, drafted in 09, wasn't a regular until 2013-14 season.

So all this and I am sure they would like to save some money in case of injuries or for late season upgrades. And then the following season they need to give Nurse, JP, Bear, and McLeod all raises. Where is this cap space coming from?

So realistic targets:
As you suggested let's try for Tatar. I'm guessing he won't take less than 3.5M. There is your LW1.
Let's resign Yamamoto to a bridge for 2RW. That's likely 2.5M.
Let's prey Larsson takes a small haircut to stay where he's comfortable. That's 4M.

So that's 10M of 14.2M used just to skate a full roster. So 4.2M to find a backup goalie and 2 reserve forwards. And we still don't look like a team that can compete for a cup.

Thanks for coming out.
- wreckage

I'm sorry but capfriendly is the go to for cap numbers so I am using it, and they have the Oilers with $11,532,379 left in space. Sure a buyout of Neal or Koskinen opens up more space, but also another hole to fill.

Broberg hasn't even skated on N. American ice, he will not be up next year. Bouchard will be a full timer, and McLeod will be given an opportunity. As of right now we need a 1st line LW, a second line RW, a 4th line C and at least 2 extra forwards. Then they need a 2nd pair LD, a spare D, a #1G and probably another NHL caliber 3rd G.

You think I'm the delusional one around here, yet majority of the people are saying the Keith deal was brutal, while you and 2 others are saying how great it is. Usually the majority aren't the delusional ones.
- wreckage

If you ever want to not look like a TARD use the right numbers. FFS when you're off by like 6,000,000 and then say we can not afford a G? Is hard to take your points credibly. But keep doing what you are doing I guess? Long story short numbers like say 6,000,000 matter in argument about cap space and filling a position.

[quote=al3535]
LTIR cannot be used until the team is cap compliant and that must occur before opening day face-off.

Buying out Neal would save 3.6M this year and next, cost us an additional 1.8 the following 2 and create another roster spot that would need to be filled.

Buying out Koskinen saves us 3M this year and costs us 1.5M the following and once again creates another spot that must be filled.

So these options don't accomplish a lot. Clearly the Oilers cannot afford to upgrade with a Hyman, Coleman, Hall, ect. This team is worse than it was before the trade. No 2nd or 3rd this year to try and help entice someone to take a bad contract. And our 2nd and 3rd next year are blocked by Keith's trade conditions.

If you ever want to not look like a TARD use the right numbers. FFS when you're off by like 6,000,000 and then say we can not afford a G? Is hard to take your points credibly. But keep doing what you are doing I guess? Long story short numbers like say 6,000,000 matter in argument about cap space and filling a position.
- al3535

https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/oilers
I initially used this as absolute. It was off by 2.7M not 6M. They are including Broberg and Lagesson on their active rosters and not in Minors so that is nearly 2M of it. Yours is also out 1.5 or so M. I put the actual numbers there for you and everyone to see. And if you want to look civil I suggest refraining from using terms like "TARD". Not really socially acceptable any longer.

And if you want to talk about wrong numbers, you stated Tatar is gonna take a discount on his 2.75M contract from 5 years ago, not the 5.3M he has been making the past 4 years. I made a 2.7M mistake on an entire roster, you made a 2.6M mistake on just 1 player.

[quote=wreckage]


You're sure of all that? I am out the door so can't check. Things that make you Hmmm if you're right. I guess just go into the season with what we have and then and off load some chumps at the deadline and toss in picks a la Dubas then? Whatever... I like the direction we are going. Just my 0.05's. Good conversating with you. Enjoy your day

https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/oilers
I initially used this as absolute. It was off by 2.7M not 6M. They are including Broberg and Lagesson on their active rosters and not in Minors so that is nearly 2M of it. Yours is also out 1.5 or so M. I put the actual numbers there for you and everyone to see. And if you want to look civil I suggest refraining from using terms like "TARD". Not really socially acceptable any longer.
- wreckage

I am a libertarian. I pride myself on being not a Liberal PC female dog. Coo thanks for the numbers