Well, can't the Pens pick up a UFA that is close to McCann? I like the guy but he's very replaceable.
- stevens87

Who will be available under $3M that matches what he brings?

Who will be available under $3M that matches what he brings?
- Rinosaur

He does bring good value for that price tag, but let’s not forget the close to 30 games of mediocre to bad play with 0 goals.

He does bring good value for that price tag, but let’s not forget the close to 30 games of mediocre to bad play with 0 goals.
- kfinl170

You mean TWO years ago?

Who will be available under $3M that matches what he brings?
- Rinosaur

Lets not get enamoured with a career 40 point player that doesn't do anything exceptionally well

It's more likely that they turn Zuckers 5.5 and McCann's 3 into 1 impact guy that makes 7+ and opens a slot for a rookie ELC player

It's about reshaping the entire roster and not replacing 1 specific player with another guy that does the exact same thing

You mean TWO years ago?
- Rinosaur

0 goals in 12 playoff games

You mean TWO years ago?
- Rinosaur

I mean it was only last season

Lets not get enamoured with a career 40 point player that doesn't do anything exceptionally well

It's more likely that they turn Zuckers 5.5 and McCann's 3 into 1 impact guy that makes 7+ and opens a slot for a rookie ELC player

It's about reshaping the entire roster and not replacing 1 specific player with another guy that does the exact same thing
- TheGame316

From the last thread because I think you're severely underestimating how hard it is to just replace players...

People always say things like that and no offense, but it's kind of a BS idea. Outside of Elite or top players, everyone is replaceable. The issue I think people overlook is whether the replacements are available, and if they are, do the Pens have what it takes to get them and fit them under the cap.

So is McCann replaceable? Of course, but is there a comparable player available via FA? In FA, are you going to get him at the same price? Other teams will be in on these players, too. The Pens are a cap limit teams. Value matters.

If the Pens have to trade for his replacement what will it cost them? A 40ish point middle six winger who can play both C and W? If that player is available at all you can bet it's not coming cheap and likely has a higher cap hit.

If that player is available by trade you can bet the Pens won't be the only ones in on him and other teams may have better returns to give.

Long story short, (although I made it a long story), replacing a player isn't easy just because they're a replaceable player.

I mean it was only last season
- kfinl170

I'm more interested what he did THIS season.

So does anyone else think Tarasenko being made available affects Seattle taking Zucker? I don't know that Seattle is looking to bring too many higher contract players.
- Rinosaur

Don't think so. Both on 2 year deals, they have tons of short term cap space. I'd definitely take both of them.

You mean TWO years ago?
- Rinosaur

No last year, too! I had him on my fantasy team and like first 15 games he had I think he had three goals and maybe 6 points.

No last year, too! I had him on my fantasy team and like first 15 games he had I think he had three goals and maybe 6 points.
- stevens87

Well Geno stunk it up too. I guess we can just let him go for nothing.

I like McCaan but he’s never won or done a damn thing in the playoffs. All I care about is winning one more playoff series in the Crosby Malkin era. McCaan has shown more so than Jarry he isn’t a gamer in that sense. Matt Martin is a better playoff performer. So long McCaan I won’t remember you passed signing your replacement.

Well Geno stunk it up too. I guess we can just let him go for nothing.
- Rinosaur

If he was a real team leader he would wave his clause and let it be known even though he’s exposed he will not go to the kraken. Not that they would pick him anyway.

Well Geno stunk it up too. I guess we can just let him go for nothing.
- Rinosaur

I’m not advocating for the trade, and like you I wish they kept him. My point is he doesn’t come without his warts. Clearly consistency was an issue, most of his production this year came on the PP. I think he def could have helped this year, and wish he stayed. But I don’t think he was long for this team and am not getting bent out of shape over it.

I’m not advocating for the trade, and like you I wish they kept him. My point is he doesn’t come without his warts. Clearly consistency was an issue, most of his production this year came on the PP. I think he def could have helped this year, and wish he stayed. But I don’t think he was long for this team and am not getting bent out of shape over it.
- kfinl170

As pointed by others, of course he's inconsistent. If he were more consistent he'd be closer to legit 2nd liner vs. a legit 3rd liner. He produces at a 3rd liner rate.

From the last thread because I think you're severely underestimating how hard it is to just replace players...

People always say things like that and no offense, but it's kind of a BS idea. Outside of Elite or top players, everyone is replaceable. The issue I think people overlook is whether the replacements are available, and if they are, do the Pens have what it takes to get them and fit them under the cap.

So is McCann replaceable? Of course, but is there a comparable player available via FA? In FA, are you going to get him at the same price? Other teams will be in on these players, too. The Pens are a cap limit teams. Value matters.

If the Pens have to trade for his replacement what will it cost them? A 40ish point middle six winger who can play both C and W? If that player is available at all you can bet it's not coming cheap and likely has a higher cap hit.

If that player is available by trade you can bet the Pens won't be the only ones in on him and other teams may have better returns to give.

Long story short, (although I made it a long story), replacing a player isn't easy just because they're a replaceable player.
- Rinosaur

But I'm not saying you need to replace a 40 point 3rd liner making 3 million with a 40 point 3rd liner making 3 million

If it's part of reshaping the entire roster, who knows how it shakes out

What if they

a) lose McCann at 3 million for nothing
b) lose Zucker to expansion 5.5 million
c) trade Petts post draft for picks save 4 million

Sign OV to 10 million and bring up Poulin and POJ

same money

or sign Landeskog/Tatar and bring up POJ

or sign Saad/A Long Pants defenseman and bring up Poulin or Legare

Lots of potential moving parts. Hex/Burke have said they want to increase the size of the roster and 6' 185 McCann aint helping that happen

just saying, If you're going to reshape the roster, you need cap $$ and flexibility

Well Geno stunk it up too. I guess we can just let him go for nothing.
- Rinosaur

No, that's just the fact that Geno is going to be 35 years age in two weeks and is breaking down because he's always hurt. Won't be upset if his $9.5 cap hit gone after next year.

But I'm not saying you need to replace a 40 point 3rd liner making 3 million with a 40 point 3rd liner making 3 million

If it's part of reshaping the entire roster, who knows how it shakes out

What if they

a) lose McCann at 3 million for nothing
b) lose Zucker to expansion 5.5 million
c) trade Petts post draft for picks save 4 million

Sign OV to 10 million and bring up Poulin and POJ

same money

or sign Landeskog/Tatar and bring up POJ

or sign Saad/A Long Pants defenseman and bring up Poulin or Legare

Lots of potential moving parts. Hex/Burke have said they want to increase the size of the roster and 6' 185 McCann aint helping that happen

just saying, If you're going to reshape the roster, you need cap $$ and flexibility
- TheGame316

Capfriendly is not reality.

No, that's just the fact that Geno is going to be 35 years age in two weeks and is breaking down because he's always hurt. Won't be upset if his $9.5 cap hit gone after next year.
- stevens87

If the Penguins are firm and fair he gets 6 million or so

If they give him some type of legacy contract at 9 million or more the nail is in the coffin that we are in for a multi year farewell tour where looking at the banners is more important than watching what happens on the ice

Capfriendly is not reality.
- Rinosaur

Is losing McCann and Zucker and reallocating those $$ into other players that fit the new mold a reality?

Because you are about to sit back and watch that happen

Or we could have kept McCann and watched his 0 goals in 12 games and his 185 pound frame get pushed off the puck reappear in next years playoffs

Just keep rolling it back and getting bounced in the first round because all our 3rd liners have perceived value?

As pointed by others, of course he's inconsistent. If he were more consistent he'd be closer to legit 2nd liner vs. a legit 3rd liner. He produces at a 3rd liner rate.
- Rinosaur

Ok? So what are we debating?

But I'm not saying you need to replace a 40 point 3rd liner making 3 million with a 40 point 3rd liner making 3 million

If it's part of reshaping the entire roster, who knows how it shakes out

What if they

a) lose McCann at 3 million for nothing
b) lose Zucker to expansion 5.5 million
c) trade Petts post draft for picks save 4 million

Sign OV to 10 million and bring up Poulin and POJ

same money

or sign Landeskog/Tatar and bring up POJ

or sign Saad/A Long Pants defenseman and bring up Poulin or Legare

Lots of potential moving parts. Hex/Burke have said they want to increase the size of the roster and 6' 185 McCann aint helping that happen

just saying, If you're going to reshape the roster, you need cap $$ and flexibility
- TheGame316

Was going to write something similar. It's way too early to b!tch until we see the finished project.

Is losing McCann and Zucker and reallocating those $$ into other players that fit the new mold a reality?

Because you are about to sit back and watch that happen

Or we could have kept McCann and watched his 0 goals in 12 games and his 185 pound frame get pushed off the puck reappear in next years playoffs

Just keep rolling it back and getting bounced in the first round because all our 3rd liners have perceived value?
- TheGame316

It's not that I disagree with your overall reasoning, it's that things to unfold or work as neatly or easily as you're describing it.

It's not that I disagree with your overall reasoning, it's that things to unfold or work as neatly or easily as you're describing it.
- Rinosaur

but, you do get that by doing nothing, it makes it impossible for anything to unfold, and then by default we are pretty much just "rolling it back"

If we're gonna bake a cake, we're gonna have to break some eggs

Was going to write something similar. It's way too early to b!tch until we see the finished project.
- madmike71

Yep I agree. Let’s see how the next few weeks shake out.