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fidopro
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Service Temporarily Unavailable, QC
Joined: 08.10.2008

Jul 18 @ 3:09 PM ET
I've been trying to create a team out of this mess and quite frankly. I don't think RF can afford Price at all.

Here's my first take

F

Voracek (PHI)- Johansen (NSH) - Tarasenko (STL)
Drouin (MTL) - Gourde (TB) - Niederreiter (CAR)
Domi (CLB) - Toninato (WIN) - Virtanen (VAN)
Fischer (ARI) - Namestnikov (DET) - Donskoi (COL)

Extras - Lemieux (LAK), Nieto (SJ), Bastian (NJD).

D

Giordano (CAL) - De Haan (CHI)
Dermott (TOR) - Deangelo (NYR)
Fleury (ANA) - Miller (BUF)

Extras - Brown (OTT), Lauzon (BOS), Hanley (DAL), Greene (NYI), Klefbom (EDM)

G

Driedger (FLA)
Kahkonen (MIN)

Extras - Vanecek (WSH) and DeSmith (PIT)

I've worked with the parameters given in CapFriendly so just correct me if certain names aren't supposed to be in there. I'm at 91.575Mil in cap space for all players but if you remove Klefbom who's injured for the year and the extras that won't stay with the club. I'm near 81.5Mil. I have no idea as well like for Skinner in BUF if BUF could consider retaining salary for him to be selected by the Kraken.

I haven't done the lines correctly but at least you get the full picture.

I can't see how Price's contract would work with the players available.

- koarik91

remove Voracek Tarasenko and Giordano, you'll have enough $$ to pick Price. twice!
TheGame316
Joined: 11.18.2008

Jul 18 @ 3:09 PM ET
I've been trying to create a team out of this mess and quite frankly. I don't think RF can afford Price at all.

Here's my first take

F

Voracek (PHI)- Johansen (NSH) - Tarasenko (STL)
Drouin (MTL) - Gourde (TB) - Niederreiter (CAR)
Domi (CLB) - Toninato (WIN) - Virtanen (VAN)
Fischer (ARI) - Namestnikov (DET) - Donskoi (COL)

Extras - Lemieux (LAK), Nieto (SJ), Bastian (NJD).

D

Giordano (CAL) - De Haan (CHI)
Dermott (TOR) - Deangelo (NYR)
Fleury (ANA) - Miller (BUF)

Extras - Brown (OTT), Lauzon (BOS), Hanley (DAL), Greene (NYI), Klefbom (EDM)

G

Driedger (FLA)
Kahkonen (MIN)

Extras - Vanecek (WSH) and DeSmith (PIT)

I've worked with the parameters given in CapFriendly so just correct me if certain names aren't supposed to be in there. I'm at 91.575Mil in cap space for all players but if you remove Klefbom who's injured for the year and the extras that won't stay with the club. I'm near 81.5Mil. I have no idea as well like for Skinner in BUF if BUF could consider retaining salary for him to be selected by the Kraken.

I haven't done the lines correctly but at least you get the full picture.

I can't see how Price's contract would work with the players available.

- koarik91



Easy

You don't take Voracek, Tarasenko, or Johansen because they are all over the hill, overpaid and massive have question marks

Combine that with slotting in Price instead of Drouin and you have plenty of cap to make it work
Pat1993
Montreal Canadiens
Location: disguise delimit, QC
Joined: 08.28.2009

Jul 18 @ 3:10 PM ET
The rationalizing in here is hilarious

"No way Francis will want a goalie that's 33 and making 10.5 million for 5 more years"

that means that

"Bergy is smart and we get to keep our goalie that's 33 and making 10.5 million for 5 more years"

- TheGame316



SEA and MTL are two very different situations, in the former you're building a team from scratch, and in the latter you have a team that needs Price or the same level goaltending with the way they're currently built (even more so with Weber being potentially done)... so it's very well possible that Price staying with the habs makes sense for both teams.
TheGame316
Joined: 11.18.2008

Jul 18 @ 3:12 PM ET
SEA and MTL are two very different situations, in the former you're building a team from scratch and in the latter you have a team that needs Price or the same level goaltending with the way they're currently built (even more so with Weber being potentially done)... so it's very well possible that Price staying with the habs makes sense for both teams.
- Pat1993


You could easily argue, that done correctly, Seattle can amass a better roster on paper with Price post draft than the Habs will have on paper with Price post draft
koarik91
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Hockey's capital, QC
Joined: 07.01.2006

Jul 18 @ 3:12 PM ET
Easy

You don't take Voracek, Tarasenko, or Johansen because they are all over the hill, overpaid and massive have question marks

Combine that with slotting in Price instead of Drouin and you have plenty of cap to make it work

- TheGame316


But you don't have any first line potential power and a poopty year ahead of you lol. Voracek is still producing at about .80 ppg so he's far from done and Tarasenko is only about multiples injuries. Johansen was the easier pick between him and Duchene.

fidopro
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Service Temporarily Unavailable, QC
Joined: 08.10.2008

Jul 18 @ 3:13 PM ET
You could easily argue, that done correctly, Seattle can amass a better roster on paper with Price post draft than the Habs will have on paper with Price post draft
- TheGame316

on paper and on the ice are 2 very different things
fidopro
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Service Temporarily Unavailable, QC
Joined: 08.10.2008

Jul 18 @ 3:14 PM ET
But you don't have any first line potential power and a poopty year ahead of you lol. Voracek is still producing at about .80 ppg so he's far from done and Tarasenko is only about multiples injuries. Johansen was the easier pick between him and Duchene.
- koarik91

I'd pick Colton Sissons from NASH, and Dunn from STL.
and Zucker from PIT
TheGame316
Joined: 11.18.2008

Jul 18 @ 3:14 PM ET
But you don't have any first line potential power and a poopty year ahead of you lol. Voracek is still producing at about .80 ppg so he's far from done and Tarasenko is only about multiples injuries. Johansen was the easier pick between him and Duchene.
- koarik91



You don't take either Duchene or Johansen

If you are actually interested in these players you trade for them post draft with salary retained or picks added - None of them are worth the $$ that they are making and there are obvious reasons why they were left exposed by their teams
TheGame316
Joined: 11.18.2008

Jul 18 @ 3:16 PM ET
on paper and on the ice are 2 very different things
- fidopro


Well, since seattle wouldn't have played yet, all we have is paper

The only obvious advantage MTL would have is in Suzuki and Kotkaniemi, but Seattle also has the #2 overall pick

line for line and D for D, Seattle has a better opportunity at almost every position
koarik91
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Hockey's capital, QC
Joined: 07.01.2006

Jul 18 @ 3:16 PM ET
You don't take either Duchene or Johansen

If you are actually interested in these players you trade for them post draft with salary retained or picks added - None of them are with the $$ that they are making and there are obvious reasons why they were left exposed by their teams

- TheGame316


So who's your number 1 center, Max Domi?
fidopro
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Service Temporarily Unavailable, QC
Joined: 08.10.2008

Jul 18 @ 3:17 PM ET
So who's your number 1 center, Max Domi?
- koarik91

I wouldn't pick Domi either
Pat1993
Montreal Canadiens
Location: disguise delimit, QC
Joined: 08.28.2009

Jul 18 @ 3:17 PM ET
You could easily argue, that done correctly, Seattle can amass a better roster on paper with Price post draft than the Habs will have on paper with Price post draft
- TheGame316


perhaps, but the logic for SEA here would still be to avoid putting all your eggs in one basket if possible, meaning grabbing a less expensive but still decent enough goalie, thus leaving you more money to spend on forwards and D. chances are you'll have a more balanced team with that kind of approach.
koarik91
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Hockey's capital, QC
Joined: 07.01.2006

Jul 18 @ 3:19 PM ET
I wouldn't pick Domi either
- fidopro


I can always agree on Domi and Zucker even tho Zucker has been useless since joining PIT. But Voracek and Tarasenko are pretty much sure to be a lock for the kraken.
Darksyde
Season Ticket Holder
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Inside Henny's Head, ON
Joined: 07.11.2007

Jul 18 @ 3:20 PM ET
GODDAMN!

I step back for a few days, and I return to panick and anarchy! Weber retiring? Weber opening self for expansion draft? Weber funeral at DP's Fried Chicken Palace? (Everyone who signs the register gets a free 2 piece meal, fries, soft drink, and the infamous DP cornbread with honey butter.)

Then it's the whole thing Redux with Pricey. Carey Price is gonna expose himself to Seattle. What Angela was illuding to was Carey is going to the top of the Space Needle with a camera crew in all Kracken gear... Then he's gonna tear it all off to reveal a Habs bowtie and banana hammock, techno music starts blasting and Carey has a one man techno rave... Until techno-Viking comes in and joins in!


Thanks to Peanut for protecting my quiet ass on the list, and double goes to Karine, who I picture having a Disney's Lady and the Tramp moment in Montreal, only it's not two ends of spaghetti, it's two beautifully fried potatoes smothered in sauce held together by a luscious string of melted cheese curd, bringing Karine and her paramour closer...closer.... .

gonna be a fun week y'all!
mr.peanut
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Generational Poster, QC
Joined: 12.18.2011

Jul 18 @ 3:20 PM ET
Just made a team with price and still $10,000,000 under the cap.

So improvements can be made
fidopro
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Service Temporarily Unavailable, QC
Joined: 08.10.2008

Jul 18 @ 3:21 PM ET
Just made a team with price and still $10,000,000 under the cap.

So improvements can be made

- mr.peanut

absolutely, easy
koarik91
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Hockey's capital, QC
Joined: 07.01.2006

Jul 18 @ 3:22 PM ET
You could easily argue, that done correctly, Seattle can amass a better roster on paper with Price post draft than the Habs will have on paper with Price post draft
- TheGame316


You can't have the same approach to normal teams to built from behind with Price if you don't have depth and young guns coming up.
TheGame316
Joined: 11.18.2008

Jul 18 @ 3:22 PM ET
So who's your number 1 center, Max Domi?
- koarik91


Who cares, you're building a team for the future, not for 1 season by taking on bad contracts. Play Yanni Gourde at 1C and draft a guy with the #2 overall. Sign a vet Free Agent

You don't tie yourself to Duchene or Johanssen's bad contract because you don't have an immediately good option for your 1st season
koarik91
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Hockey's capital, QC
Joined: 07.01.2006

Jul 18 @ 3:23 PM ET
Just made a team with price and still $10,000,000 under the cap.

So improvements can be made

- mr.peanut


But is it a competitive team that can aspire to get into the playoffs and succeed
koarik91
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Hockey's capital, QC
Joined: 07.01.2006

Jul 18 @ 3:24 PM ET
Who cares, you're building a team for the future, not for 1 season by taking on bad contracts. Play Yanni Gourde at 1C and draft a guy with the #2 overall. Sign a vet Free Agent

You don't tie yourself to Duchene or Johanssen's bad contract because you don't have an immediately good option for your 1st season

- TheGame316


The worse contract would be Johansen but again, he only has 4 years left so it ain't that bad.
mr.peanut
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Generational Poster, QC
Joined: 12.18.2011

Jul 18 @ 3:24 PM ET
But is it a competitive team that can aspire to get into the playoffs and succeed
- koarik91

I don't know. I didn't think vegas could do what they did based on their draft.

... but they did have a pretty good goalie
mr.peanut
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Generational Poster, QC
Joined: 12.18.2011

Jul 18 @ 3:25 PM ET
3 goalies
TheGame316
Joined: 11.18.2008

Jul 18 @ 3:25 PM ET
perhaps, but the logic for SEA here would still be to avoid putting all your eggs in one basket if possible, meaning grabbing a less expensive but still decent enough goalie, thus leaving you more money to spend on forwards and D. chances are you'll have a more balanced team with that kind of approach.
- Pat1993


Logic for Seattle" Don't put all your eggs in 1 basket at Goalie" is the key to success

Logic for Montreal "Put all your eggs in 1 basket at Goalie" is the key to success

The rationalizing is hilarious
TheGame316
Joined: 11.18.2008

Jul 18 @ 3:26 PM ET
The worse contract would be Johansen but again, he only has 4 years left so it ain't that bad.
- koarik91


4 years left of an overpaid underproducing player aint bad?

4 years is an eternity. It's the definition of a toxic contract

You know there's a reason Nashville wants to dump it for nothing, right?
kicksave856
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: i love how not saying dumb things on the internet was never an option.
Joined: 09.29.2005

Jul 18 @ 3:28 PM ET
remember, guys, there's a "know when to walk away" line in the song too.
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