I had him off the board before 13th in the mock. There were fairly limited viewing opportunities for scouts on him this season but he keeps scoring whenever he's been able to show what he can do.

If he's there at 13th, I don't know that I'd call it falling, though. He's just outside the group that is absolute lock for the top eight or nine picks (for which the ranking order varies widely within) and he's in the next group for whom there's a wide variety of ranking orders. It only takes one name higher on the list -- or two teams to take goalies in the top 12 -- for him to be there.
- bmeltzer

Would 13 be too high for someone like Tyler Boucher?

Also you have any insight into Matthew Coronato? Things I have read about his game really think he would be a solid selection at 13 if they hold the pick.

I am interested to see what Detroit does. They have so many players to sign . Stevie Y is pretty crafty, could they be a partner for JVR or even a Braun / Haag.
Possibly the Ducks for a JVR plus one of the mentioned Dman for upcoming UFA Manson.
Perhaps Manson would get more at deadline, but their roster seems to be pretty bare.

Would the Devils have possible interest in a JVR? I think there is a deal somewhere for Fletcher involving these players. Jake would be great, but the way things are looking he does seem to be unmovable .
- 3flyerkids

JVR for PK +++

Me neither, but Im GUESSING there are some questions about his skating (aaaaagain) and his knee injury that lost him so much time.

Personally if he is not there I want Lysell. This team needs an injection of burners with high end skill. Two way game be damned.
- MBFlyerfan

I do not think the Flyers will take Lysell. There are attitude/coachability/character (whatever terminology you want to use) question marks on the player and he is all tools/development projection with risks attached. There are at least a few teams that have him on their "don't draft in the first round" list.

There's a difference, though, between 2nd line upside and "top six" upside (versus top-nine upside, which basically means bonafide top line is probably above his likely development path).
- bmeltzer

Correct. Just want to see them go for the potential star or what not once in a blue moon.

Would 13 be too high for someone like Tyler Boucher?

Also you have any insight into Matthew Coronato? Things I have read about his game really think he would be a solid selection at 13 if they hold the pick.
- J35Bacher

Yes boucher overrated imo.

I do not think the Flyers will take Lysell. There are attitude/coachability/character (whatever terminology you want to use) question marks on the player and he is all tools/development projection with risks attached. There are at least a few teams that have him on their "don't draft in the first round" list.
- bmeltzer

I imagine you have to be a bad seed to get on do not draft list.

Yes.

I wish Shayne nothing but success in Arizona. I like the player and I like the person. But he's never been an excuses guy, which is also to his credit, and I'm not going to blame the coaches for the years and partial seasons where he noticeably struggled in one way or another. All I will say is that, when he's on, the pros outweigh the cons in my book. When he's not, they don't.
- bmeltzer

You nailed it Bill! At the end of the day, Ghost is a bad D-zone cover defenseman and does not do enough offensively to cover this deficiency up. I also thought he was a very overrated PP QB. These Flyers are SOFT, and they need to get tougher, and now they have at least some cap space to do so.

Glad to see him go.... Any idea on a back up tender

To DET: Jake + 1st

To PHI: Bertuzzi + ?
- black_francis

Try...

To Any Team: Jake + 1st + Your favorite prospect

To PHI: Future Considerations


(if you are willing to retain salary, then drop the prospect)

Just frustrating that they take a 5 mil bottom 6er from the cap strapped Stanley cup champs, then pick a marginal player from us when Jvr was cheaper than gourde and would have still been the krakens highest profile selection behind giordano
- Shrike

It was frustrating, but it may work out OK. I think JVR has trade value in this league even at his cap hit. I think if Fletcher wanted to trade him he could, but I think Fletcher would prefer to trade Jake instead and keep JVR, which I am also fine with. I would choose JVR or Jake also.

Try...

To Any Team: Jake + 1st + Your favorite prospect

To PHI: Future Considerations


(if you are willing to retain salary, then drop the prospect)
- Tomahawk

But Fletcher stated this is not going to happen. He will not use the 13th pick to dump salary. I am fine with that also, since there are going to be good players there at 13 that other teams may want.

I do not think the Flyers will take Lysell. There are attitude/coachability/character (whatever terminology you want to use) question marks on the player and he is all tools/development projection with risks attached. There are at least a few teams that have him on their "don't draft in the first round" list.
- bmeltzer

But how can we judge a 18 year old that early
I know a lot of guys what are A...oles and then they have kids and they are nice in square

Even with Gourde being selected by Seattle, Tampa has basically no cap room according to cap friendly. Would they consider trading Cernak for the 13th pick +? If so, would you do it?

Would 13 be too high for someone like Tyler Boucher?

Also you have any insight into Matthew Coronato? Things I have read about his game really think he would be a solid selection at 13 if they hold the pick.
- J35Bacher

13th is too high on Boucher. Would love to take him in the second round but I don't think he'll still be on the board by the Flyers' 2nd round pick. Now, theoretically, if Columbus traded picks 25 (de facto 24) and 32 (de facto 13) the Flyers for the No. 14 (de facto 13) and 46 (de facto 45), that'd be about the range where Boucher might enter your radar screen.

Coronato is this year's DeBrincat type. Divisive player whom some have out of the first round entirely, some have in the Flyers' range, and some have in the latter half of the first round. He's a home run swing and it all comes down to risk tolerance as to whether his USHL game translates to the pros. Very shifty and elusive. Also small and not blazingly fast (but also a high IQ player who is slippery).

Even with Gourde being selected by Seattle, Tampa has basically no cap room according to cap friendly. Would they consider trading Cernak for the 13th pick +? If so, would you do it?
- jd250

I think they protected 4F/ 4D specifically because they don't want to part with Cernak. They'll pay YOU to take Tyler Johnson from them. They wouldn't absorb much on Palat (who was 2nd on the team in points this season and is a proven two-way forward on top of it) or Killorn but the fact that both were available to Seattle in the Expansion Draft along with Gourde certainly suggests they can be obtained.

JVR for PK +++
- Bayareaflyer

If the Devils eat money then sure. This gets us major cap relief a year sooner.

Don’t think the Devils will do us any favors tho.

I think they protected 4F/ 4D specifically because they don't want to part with Cernak. They'll pay YOU to take Tyler Johnson from them. They wouldn't absorb much on Palat (who was 2nd on the team in points this season and is a proven two-way forward on top of it) or Killorn but the fact that both were available to Seattle in the Expansion Draft along with Gourde certainly suggests they can be obtained.
- bmeltzer

Well, I also believe they went the 4F/4D route because they knew Cernak would have been selected over any other player they exposed, and why would they want to lose him for nothing? I think its possible that if Fletcher came in hard for Cernak with picks and prospects, Tampa might move him, though I agree it would not give them much cap relief a the other players you mentioned would.

But how can we judge a 18 year old that early
I know a lot of guys what are A...oles and then they have kids and they are nice in square
- goenzoy

In many cases you can't. In some cases, you can. But does Fabian Lysell project as the type of producer that you'd take the risk on? If you are convinced, then take him. If not, go for someone else.

He's not a player like William Nylander, who was shredding the J18 kids at age 16 (could already hold his own against J20s by then, in fact) and then holding his own against pros a full year ahead of his draft eligibility.

They are also still below the cap floor and not intending to go dramatically above it entering their first season, although they'll try to add a couple pieces. Why do you think they took so many AHL-destined players in the Expansion Draft?
- bmeltzer

Bill, how do you know this? This is exactly what I read from their draft and predicted yesterday on your blog but until the draft day trades and UFA period was over, I was just speculating, of course.

Try...

To Any Team: Jake + 1st + Your favorite prospect

To PHI: Future Considerations


(if you are willing to retain salary, then drop the prospect)
- Tomahawk

This guy gets it.

This guy gets it.
- PT21

Agreed! And, getting his $8.5 off the books opens up a lot of space for adding a top end FA defender or trade for one. Flyers would be at about $22M in available cap space.

Everyone is pushing to dump jvr and Jake- if you do what do you replace them with. Cap hits are big but they are still scoring forwards.

Giving anymore picks and prospects away to get rid of one of these guys is not smart unless FA delivers a top 6 forward.

Everyone is pushing to dump jvr and Jake- if you do what do you replace them with. Cap hits are big but they are still scoring forwards.

Giving anymore picks and prospects away to get rid of one of these guys is not smart unless FA delivers a top 6 forward.
- MrPerfect316

How concerned do you think the GM is with future picks or even 3 years down the line?

Agreed! And, getting his $8.5 off the books opens up a lot of space for adding a top end FA defender or trade for one. Flyers would be at about $22M in available cap space.
- Letterkenney

no chance i'd give the first and one of the better prospects the flyers have to dump jake or jvr. rather keep them both.

Agreed! And, getting his $8.5 off the books opens up a lot of space for adding a top end FA defender or trade for one. Flyers would be at about $22M in available cap space.
- Letterkenney

I think op wanted to show how difficult it would be to "trade" Jake, and how steep the price would be (to get the savings you refer to).