Come on. These are just made up names.
- Elbows15

Looks like Vegas is looking for a center strome for ?

wow what a weekend so far. Stan blew the future for Seth Jones? i watched him in the memorial cup in saskatoon against nat mckinnion and he wasn't very good. there is a reason 3 teams passed on him in his draft year. and one of the GM's was Stevie Y the GM the recently bent carolinia over and built back to back cup winnters. But good old Stan gave up a pick next year in the Shane Wright Draft but oh wait he got lottory protection it goes to the 2023 draft which will be Bedard. so we could lose out on 2 potentiol generational talents for a so so #1? defensman and then does the even dumber and signs him for 9.5 million? wtf can this guy be shown the door please.

Looks like Vegas is looking for a center strome for ?
- Scott1977

Fleury and 2022 1st

Thanks Theo for the job you do!
While we all have our opinions on this trade, when does the leash break for Colliton and his staff? As we have all suffered through watching the poor play of this team, some questions come to mind:
1. When does the responsibility for continuing to use poor schematics get held accountable? Can't keep pounding a square peg into a round hole. Special teams are a joke, Defensive zone scheme sucks.....
2. If our head coach's strength is developing young players, who have we seen develop? Example: Hagel's energy and play are intrinsically motivated and are not Coach based.... Boqvist? Bye bye & don't let the door hit you in the a**! Strome has diminished....
3. AGAIN The Hawks Special Teams are a joke. Why is there no change?
4. Since Kampf's only value is at the dot, why isn't someone else being groomed for that role that has an offensive pulse?
Organizational talent and depth are wonderful and WE NEED MORE! Yet you cannot win continuing to go in the direction that this staff leads. As soon as the Hawks fire Collion & his NHL Staff, the better the on ice results will be and the sooner we will get back to competing for AND WINNING the Stanley Cup!
Please let me know your thoughts.
- Power29

One of the things the teams needs to strongly consider, IMO, is getting some more experienced coaches around Colliton. Is Brookbank really the best they can do for the D? Is there a special teams specialist out there?

One of the things the teams needs to strongly consider, IMO, is getting some more experienced coaches around Colliton. Is Brookbank really the best they can do for the D? Is there a special teams specialist out there?
- pdx2ord

Show me a good coach, I’ll show you a team with talent. Until the team has talent and depth there isn’t a coach alive who can make them more than the sum of their parts. The old adage says it all, you can’t make chicken salad out of chicken poop.

Show me a good coach, I’ll show you a team with talent. Until the team has talent and depth there isn’t a coach alive who can make them more than the sum of their parts. The old adage says it all, you can’t make chicken salad out of chicken poop.
- paulr

OK, though I'd question then why then alternately the PK then the PP sucked throughout much of the later "dynasty" years. Was it talent or coaching?

Agree. No ledge for me either. I'm disappointed they didn't pick a lane and stay in it in terms of rebuilding.

Like Ogi said, I don't like giving up the 2022 1st and even this year's first.

That said, while Boqvist looked to be getting better, I wasn't sold he was ever going to be a top pairing dman and like Shaw, I worry about his staying power.

A number of people had mentioned if he didn't learn how to take or avoid hits he was going to have a short NHL career. I think he's already had a couple concussions with the Hawks or at least been in protocol a few times.

While most people agree Bowman lost another trade, I do believe this may be the first time he's made a "big boy" deal and gotten the best player in it.

Trying to look on the bright side and in that respect, they kept Mitchell and Beaudin who are like Boqvist under 6' (smurfs though thankfully not you know what) puck movers. Didn't have to give up Dach, Dinky, Reichel or Kurashev.

Still have a lot of young guys so still a lot to be excited about and I'm hoping Jones brings some stability to the back end.

I'm also on board with what others have mentioned in terms of maybe Stan can recoup some picks by offloading Z or Strome. Just so GP knows, I'm not thinking they will bring back first rounders because that's apparently what I think all Hawk players are worth...though they should be able to get one of those for Carpenter, no? (RF)
- HawkintheD

They did pick a lane and then Seabrook went down, Shaw went down, they had the ability to trade Keith and Rocky saw an opening. As everyone is quick to spend Rocky's "unfolded" money, here's to that!

I do think the price was quite high, especially the second #1 but keep in mind we gave up none of our "plus current assets." Regarding the term and $ amount, meh, that's life it's less than some guys are getting out there even on our own team. In the future Jones may become the "next Suter and Parise" but Stan will likely be retired by then or onto his next gig.

I really think this move came all the way from the top Stan can't simply go out and spend $76M.

OK, though I'd question then why then alternately the PK then the PP sucked throughout much of the later "dynasty" years. Was it talent or coaching?
- pdx2ord

They went through an awful lot of PP coaches. The defense after the glory years did not have very good people

Just when I think Ken Holland becomes the goofiest GM by letting StanBo fleece him, StanBo goes and trades for Jones and signs him to $9.5 and TOTALLY REDEEMS HIMSELF!

Just when I think Ken Holland becomes the goofiest GM by letting StanBo fleece him, StanBo goes and trades for Jones and signs him to $9.5 and TOTALLY REDEEMS HIMSELF!
- resqmed99

exaclty one step forward with him and 7 back

Thanks, Theo

Not happy at all with the contract terms, but hoping Jones can return to form. We'll see quickly if it was environment, attitude, or something else not as easily changed that caused the drop-off over past few years.

Reading Allen's scouting reports, my mind went immediately to Hammer. Now, did we need to use the 1st on him? No way, but maybe Kelley et al were high enough on his potential they didn't want to risk losing him before the 62nd today. Can't say Hammer's skillset is one we don't need desperately right now.

My biggest confusion is on their strategy, but this scenario continues running through my head:

Danny/Rocky: Well, Stan, we tried on the rebuild, but it's just not happening fast enough. And, nothing puts butts in the seats and jerseys on the backs or helps people forget all about a scandal like winning. Time to accelerate that process.

Stan (thinking): Pretty unlikely I'll be around to live with the consequences of this year's decisions, so who cares?

Thanks Theo for the job you do!
While we all have our opinions on this trade, when does the leash break for Colliton and his staff? As we have all suffered through watching the poor play of this team, some questions come to mind:
1. When does the responsibility for continuing to use poor schematics get held accountable? Can't keep pounding a square peg into a round hole. Special teams are a joke, Defensive zone scheme sucks.....
2. If our head coach's strength is developing young players, who have we seen develop? Example: Hagel's energy and play are intrinsically motivated and are not Coach based.... Boqvist? Bye bye & don't let the door hit you in the a**! Strome has diminished....
3. AGAIN The Hawks Special Teams are a joke. Why is there no change?
4. Since Kampf's only value is at the dot, why isn't someone else being groomed for that role that has an offensive pulse?
Organizational talent and depth are wonderful and WE NEED MORE! Yet you cannot win continuing to go in the direction that this staff leads. As soon as the Hawks fire Collion & his NHL Staff, the better the on ice results will be and the sooner we will get back to competing for AND WINNING the Stanley Cup!
Please let me know your thoughts.
- Power29

When you're rolling 4-5 AHL and College Defensemen as they did last year, Boqvist, Mitchell, Kalynuk, Beaudin, Stillman etc. the defense no matter how well coached is going to look like a fire drill "just get it out."

OK, though I'd question then why then alternately the PK then the PP sucked throughout much of the later "dynasty" years. Was it talent or coaching?
- pdx2ord

When the hawks were one of the best teams I’d argue their PK was always amongst the best and the powerplay was average to non existent. And I’d further argue the powerplay had the wrong mix of players. I always felt Kane overhandled the puck and the Hawk’s powerplay became a perimeter passing play. But at the end of the day three facets of the game are vital to winning, great defensive play, discipline to stay away from penalties and when you do get penalized you have a strong penalty kill. I’ve always felt a powerplay is a nice to have but a good penalty kill is a must. A good coach would know what’s important and what’s not.

When the hawks were one of the best teams I’d argue their PK was always amongst the best and the powerplay was average to non existent. And I’d further argue the powerplay had the wrong mix of players. I always felt Kane overhandled the puck and the Hawk’s powerplay became a perimeter passing play. But at the end of the day three facets of the game are vital to winning, great defensive play, discipline to stay away from penalties and when you do get penalized you have a strong penalty kill. I’ve always felt a powerplay is a nice to have but a good penalty kill is a must. A good coach would know what’s important and what’s not.
- paulr

Besides Kane you had Hossa and Toews. Not exactly chopped liver. Even through many coaches the needle never moved with those players. They also never had a huge body to park in front of the net and create chaos. Shaw, meh he was a stop gap. That leads to either Keith was an issue or the scheme. For once I have to say "the system just never worked" for whatever reason it was always so frustrating.

When the hawks were one of the best teams I’d argue their PK was always amongst the best and the powerplay was average to non existent. And I’d further argue the powerplay had the wrong mix of players. I always felt Kane overhandled the puck and the Hawk’s powerplay became a perimeter passing play. But at the end of the day three facets of the game are vital to winning, great defensive play, discipline to stay away from penalties and when you do get penalized you have a strong penalty kill. I’ve always felt a powerplay is a nice to have but a good penalty kill is a must. A good coach would know what’s important and what’s not.
- paulr

Can't argue with any of that, especially Kane's tendencies.

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The Hawks could have had Raty at #44. This offseason is officially a failure.

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The Hawks could have had Raty at #44. This offseason is officially a failure.

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- DarthKane

And none of us should ever question your eye for talent after your pimping of Cole Caufield.

The Hawks could have had Raty at #44. This offseason is officially a failure.

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- DarthKane

When did Stan get hair?

@drosennhl

Cam Atkinson for Jakub Voracek straight up, 1 for 1. Flyers get Atkinson, Blue Jackets get Voracek, who they had originally and traded to Philadelphia in the Jeff Carter trade on June 23, 2011.

Thanks, Theo

Not happy at all with the contract terms, but hoping Jones can return to form. We'll see quickly if it was environment, attitude, or something else not as easily changed that caused the drop-off over past few years.

Reading Allen's scouting reports, my mind went immediately to Hammer. Now, did we need to use the 1st on him? No way, but maybe Kelley et al were high enough on his potential they didn't want to risk losing him before the 62nd today. Can't say Hammer's skillset is one we don't need desperately right now.

My biggest confusion is on their strategy, but this scenario continues running through my head:

Danny/Rocky: Well, Stan, we tried on the rebuild, but it's just not happening fast enough. And, nothing puts butts in the seats and jerseys on the backs or helps people forget all about a scandal like winning. Time to accelerate that process.

Stan (thinking): Pretty unlikely I'll be around to live with the consequences of this year's decisions, so who cares?
- pdx2ord

agree i think like pace for the bears his job was on the line and needed to make a splash. To save his job. But imo his job is already on thin ice with internal investigation and what comes from it. the fact hawks have not been very good since the last cup win is another reason

@drosennhl

Cam Atkinson for Jakub Voracek straight up, 1 for 1. Flyers get Atkinson, Blue Jackets get Voracek, who they had originally and traded to Philadelphia in the Jeff Carter trade on June 23, 2011.
- pdx2ord

Trading someone then trading for them again years later. That's silly ...

Trading someone then trading for them again years later. That's silly ...
- I Am The Breadman

And none of us should ever question your eye for talent after your pimping of Cole Caufield.
- pdx2ord

Until he wins a SC, he is a bum!

Trading someone then trading for them again years later. That's silly ...
- I Am The Breadman

Yeah! Never heard of that before