Having better D helps the D be better.
- Reubenkincade

True also but D is 5 player units to be successful. Playoffs needs all hands on deck buying in. Vets stabilize the kids instead of losing without their leadership & not even making the playoffs. Contending requires experience & the core cannot burn too many years.

And he’s a Righty 👍🏻
- Shuswap Wap

And in almost every hockey proposal fans are trying to trade him

I don't listen to all this doom and gloom crap. I skipped a lot of reading in here lately.

They do have prospects , I am excited to see Cosmar this year. One of Canucks prospect Dmen was named 7 th DM on the USWJ Summer tourney.

Some of the guys drafted yesterday look very good.

Canucks are not finished making moves and still going to improve. Anyone upset with the moves they made so far oh well too bad.

True also but D is 5 player units to be successful. Playoffs needs all hands on deck buying in. Vets stabilize the kids instead of losing without their leadership & not even making the playoffs. Contending requires experience & the core cannot burn too many years.
- Nighthawk

Having a puck playing goalie as a 6th man helps in the process too.

So we're mortgaging our future to potentially catch lightning in a bottle. That's like mortgaging your house to buy lottery tickets. Exciting, not too bright.
- golfingsince

What exactly has been mortgaged?

Garland is 25 hardly near past prime. D is too young & OEL can help especially with a change of scenery for himself. He’s a gamble but how much really? Time will tell.

The 9th pick is probably 2-3yrs away from being an impact & unknown how much that might be. That makes the core that much older & years wasted. The 2nd pick even less chance of timing the window.

And my point is that Buffalo, Edmonton, Dallas and Calgary (to some extent) have all saved all their picks and added more and yet are still mired in mediocrity (or worse). Having players in the future isn't going to make a difference if the core you have now stagnates because you aren't willing to take risks and mortgage your future for the now. Again, I said it's not a GOOD strategy, but it's better than hoping for the best and praying that you can avoid a Buffalo situation where your 1/2OA superstars don't end up disgruntled because you can't or won't give them the help they need to succeed and are constantly rebuilding or saying that you're still in a rebuild.
- DariusKnight

Dallas made the finals, so you have Buffalo and to an extent the Alberta teams. Trading away picks before your core is established doesn't scare away said core, it just does little to give them support players. Now we're trading away future core players to (possibly) for current support players.

Like I said earlier, I think we have a playoff team. I just don't think we have a contender and we have some huge talent gaps on the horizon.

I think that's a terrible analogy seeing as draft picks are usually considered lotto tickets themselves. I don't agree that it's the BEST strategy, but I'm taking the approach that FA isn't going to accept a strategy where the team stagnates by keeping (and adding) more picks and praying that they manage to draft their way out of irrelevancy. At some point you need to try and trade your futures for the now, if only because you're sending a really poor message to your core that they suck and there's going to be help, but it'll come 2-3 years later if those high picks we got pan out.
- DariusKnight

Agree drafting isn’t the only component to building a perennial PO team & more.

What exactly has been mortgaged?

Garland is 25 hardly near past prime. D is too young & OEL can help especially with a change of scenery for himself. He’s a gamble but how much really? Time will tell.

The 9th pick is probably 2-3yrs away from being an impact & unknown how much that might be. That makes the core that much older & years wasted. The 2nd pick even less chance of timing the window.
- Nighthawk

1st and 2nd to start with. Garland is 25, those picks are 18. It's a trend with our management and why we're trading picks to grab a guy drafted in the 5th round to begin with.

At what point this season will we realize that Pearson is now an overpaid 3rd line winger?
- A_SteamingLombardi

If he’s pushed down by others we’ll cross that bridge when it happens. 3.25m isn’t exactly horrible if the cap is managed properly.

And in almost every hockey proposal fans are trying to trade him

I don't listen to all this doom and gloom crap. I skipped a lot of reading in here lately.

They do have prospects , I am excited to see Cosmar this year. One of Canucks prospect Dmen was named 7 th DM on the USWJ Summer tourney.

Some of the guys drafted yesterday look very good.

Canucks are not finished making moves and still going to improve. Anyone upset with the moves they made so far oh well too bad.
- VANTEL

Truscot had a good year, utinen don't hear much about him.

What exactly has been mortgaged?

Garland is 25 hardly near past prime. D is too young & OEL can help especially with a change of scenery for himself. He’s a gamble but how much really? Time will tell.

The 9th pick is probably 2-3yrs away from being an impact & unknown how much that might be. That makes the core that much older & years wasted. The 2nd pick even less chance of timing the window.
- Nighthawk

I don’t want to get in the middle of your discussion, but I believe 2-3 years from now is “the future”, which is literally what he said was being mortgaged.

https://www.nucksmiscondu...591666/canucks-trade-2021

Not a bad read about the trade and why our fanbase is like this.
- Retinalz

Sheeple fanbase deserve their media lol

Truscot had a good year, utinen don't hear much about him.
- Bettmanhatesus

I wouldn't put a lot of hope in Utinen .

One name that I would not be surprised to make the team this year is Lockwood. I think him and Highmore will be duking it out for a spot. I think he will be first call up.

I don’t want to get in the middle of your discussion, but I believe 2-3 years from now is “the future”, which is literally what he said was being mortgaged.
- 1970vintage

How so? TBL pay more for a couple of their 3rd liners.
- Retinalz

Leafs pay more for a 3C the rest are min contracts.

Although I think we've done some to address that, we might be a 2nd round team at best. The past playoff thingy means nothing to me as we hardly qualify without a pause and expanded field.

If OEL balls out, then I think we have a contending team. Big risk, big reward type of deal.
- golfingsince

That’s what it comes down to how well OEL plays. Lets wait & see.

Maybe he’s a late bloomer?
- Shuswap Wap

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UprEPvCJZE4

That’s what it comes down to how well OEL plays. Lets wait & see.
- Nighthawk

I said awhile back i wouldn't say anything until moves were made this summer. Moves have been made and my stance has been let's see how it plays out. OEL is either going to kill it for us......or kill us. There's really not much in between with that salary.


I've been pretty even keel with that. Let's not pretend it's some amazing upgrade for the foreseable future. If it works out.... great. If it doesn't it's a big miss. The truth is that had we held onto draft picks beforehand the cost is likely much less or not needed at all.

Dallas made the finals, so you have Buffalo and to an extent the Alberta teams. Trading away picks before your core is established doesn't scare away said core, it just does little to give them support players. Now we're trading away future core players to (possibly) for current support players.

Like I said earlier, I think we have a playoff team. I just don't think we have a contender and we have some huge talent gaps on the horizon.
- golfingsince

OEL Garland & Dlcky are only support players?

We have good top 9 depth now.
D needs to make huge gains.
In goal we are set.

Comes down to Green & company to bring it all together.

1st and 2nd to start with. Garland is 25, those picks are 18. It's a trend with our management and why we're trading picks to grab a guy drafted in the 5th round to begin with.
- golfingsince

Imo Garland easily offsets the 2nd. So it’s OEL for a 1st & cap dumps at 7.26m per. Guenthar is probably a top 6 winger one day. Elite I doubt it. Comes down to all the other prospects & who pops out to make an impact. Woo, McDonough & many others.

OEL Garland & Dlcky are only support players?

We have good top 9 depth now.
D needs to make huge gains.
In goal we are set.

Comes down to Green & company to bring it all together.
- Nighthawk

Richardy is support for sure, so is Garland. OEL can be more. Holy (frank) man you want to make a borderline 3C a core player? He's in reality your 4C, that's a support player all day long.

I don’t want to get in the middle of your discussion, but I believe 2-3 years from now is “the future”, which is literally what he said was being mortgaged.
- 1970vintage

The real trade off is cheap ELC years for talent now that isn’t in its twilight.

I wouldn't put a lot of hope in Utinen .

One name that I would not be surprised to make the team this year is Lockwood. I think him and Highmore will be duking it out for a spot. I think he will be first call up.
- VANTEL

What isn’t mentioned is the farm has to be better so prospects can develop. That is easily forgotten when JB inherited nothing there.

I said awhile back i wouldn't say anything until moves were made this summer. Moves have been made and my stance has been let's see how it plays out. OEL is either going to kill it for us......or kill us. There's really not much in between with that salary.


I've been pretty even keel with that. Let's not pretend it's some amazing upgrade for the foreseable future. If it works out.... great. If it doesn't it's a big miss. The truth is that had we held onto draft picks beforehand the cost is likely much less or not needed at all.
- golfingsince

We dumped dead weight for 2 real pieces. Yes OEL is the hinge that can swing either way I’m simply optimistic he’ll be better here if only for the sake Arizona sucked & he wasting away there.

Richardy is support for sure, so is Garland. OEL can be more. Holy (frank) man you want to make a borderline 3C a core player? He's in reality your 4C, that's a support player all day long.
- golfingsince

No not a core player but a big need that filled. The 3rd was a fair cost.

When or if Richardy becomes a 4C it’ll be we are very good. That is 2-3yrs away most likely. In the meantime we are a playoff team imo but lots more still to do.

Guess we gotta live with everything & watch it play out. Jimbo’s job is on the line if it fails big.