So agree with this! We need to figure out going ahead what we have with this group and can we trade Strome, Z and De Hahn ? for some picks?
- CTblackhawkfan

It's too early to know on most so the powers that be either wait or think they know.

Of course I did. I actually had a reply using your (you’re) but being Canadian I was polite and didn’t want to hurt you’re feelings so I hurt Elbows feelings instead. Eh

Elbows is sour isn’t he? To be honest I usually side with Bowman, but this acquisition and signing wasn’t good. I can only hope Jones can turn his trending around or this will hurt the hawks for years.
- paulr

It may sound dumb but really to me....the onus is on Bowman to either have in the organization currently (prospect and/or rostered player) or to draft/trade/sign one....and that is Jones's version of a Seabrook. A steady partner to help him out. Take away Seabrook from Keith and you get an entirely different player. I think that goes without saying and said player doesn't have to be some high priced player but even a guy like the hammer in his prime, would have been a great partner for Jones.

I look at it this way....Toews does a TON of things right....more then Kane...smaller, as of important to help wins games, but Toews doesn't always make his line mates better unless he's given a higher skilled guy......where as Kane could and has given lesser skilled guys huge numbers playing alongside him.

The contract and giving up Boqvist doesn't bother me at all......The flip flopping of 12th to 32nd also didn't bother me greatly depending upon if the Hawks selection lives up to organizational promise. Next year's 1st.....yep, it sucks but lets see if bowman can recoup a 1st through a trade between now and then.

Fact is/was, before Friday who in this organization was a top pair defenseman? And for anyone saying "they are still young" i defer to the ages that 2/4/7 started to solidify themselves at the NHL level and separate themselves.

People on here making Jones out to be Nick Leddy is a riot......

What can Gaudette and Kampf win in arbitration they have about 10 points combined?
- rpeters01

Exactly....

it's the other 2 Hawks likely don't want to battle with...especially Suter.

Except if Hawks signed someone, then they were bidding against themselves
- vabeachbear

They were bidding against a $ number they had to hit for Jones to say in his mind "I won't wait to be a UFA and have a bidding war." I think if he had made free agency the bidding war would have been every bit the contract Stan gave. At least we get the one cheap year. All the picks to CBJ, that's life. Look what the Bears gave up to get their QB and he's not played one NFL game. If you don't like Pace, look what the Lions GM got for Stafford nobody has ever accused the Lions of being geniuses that deal makes the Jones deal look like a steal.

Exactly....

it's the other 2 Hawks likely don't want to battle with...especially Suter.
- SteveRain

Suter won't be back it would have been done by now.

So agree with this! We need to figure out going ahead what we have with this group and can we trade Strome, Z and De Hahn ? for some picks?
- CTblackhawkfan

I have nothing to go on but I could see the Hawks signing a goalie in UFA and riding him with Lankinen over 2-3 years. Andersen feels that way.....Khabibulin, Huet, Lehner.....all UFA signings.

Hawks can't afford to skate out a young D in front of far too inconsistent net minders. They need stability in goal.

Article about what Tort's thinks about Jones

https://www.1stohiobatter...es-should-be-next-captain

Suter won't be back it would have been done by now.
- rpeters01

I think they are trying to work a bridge deal.....give up lesser AAV for a little longer term. Up to suter if he takes it.

Out of these 5....god willing 3 are gone by October..4 would be ideal......5 would be a helluva job by Stanley.

Zadorov
DeHaan
Connolly
Strome
Carpenter

It may sound dumb but really to me....the onus is on Bowman to either have in the organization currently (prospect and/or rostered player) or to draft/trade/sign one....and that is Jones's version of a Seabrook. A steady partner to help him out. Take away Seabrook from Keith and you get an entirely different player. I think that goes without saying and said player doesn't have to be some high priced player but even a guy like the hammer in his prime, would have been a great partner for Jones.

I look at it this way....Toews does a TON of things right....more then Kane...smaller, as of important to help wins games, but Toews doesn't always make his line mates better unless he's given a higher skilled guy......where as Kane could and has given lesser skilled guys huge numbers playing alongside him.

The contract and giving up Boqvist doesn't bother me at all......The flip flopping of 12th to 32nd also didn't bother me greatly depending upon if the Hawks selection lives up to organizational promise. Next year's 1st.....yep, it sucks but lets see if bowman can recoup a 1st through a trade between now and then.

Fact is/was, before Friday who in this organization was a top pair defenseman? And for anyone saying "they are still young" i defer to the ages that 2/4/7 started to solidify themselves at the NHL level and separate themselves.

People on here making Jones out to be Nick Leddy is a riot......
- SteveRain

I hear what you’re saying and I agree. Seabrook quietly made Keith much better but someone posted some stats and I was surprised to see how close in blocked shots Keith was, not only to Seabrook but to Hjalmarsson. While certainly Seabrook helped him, Keith could stand on his own with anyone. I don’t see Jones that way. He needs a very good partner. Jones isn’t in the same stratosphere as Keith in his prime offensively or defensively. The only thing Jones is better at is physical play and while Keith didn’t initiate he never backed down, in fact what he lacked in physicality he made up for in unpredictable dirtiness to give him room.

I have no idea why Leddy was considered much? He was poor defensively and he was ok offensively. He became so overrated by some, especially one, on this site when in reality he was an OK defenseman who was really just a guy.

I almost wonder now that Jones has been signed if Bowman doesn’t now stop the rebuild and build around Jones, Kane, ADB, Kubalik and Dach and try to see if he can build via free agency? If Suter, Deangelo and others are available and can be signed short term within the cap, do you take a look at them?

How does being Russian make a bad or good goalie? Khudobin took Stars to the Final.

The point is that older goalies like the ones mentioned would be comfortable sharing the net and not being the #1, while being effective and having a calming presence.
- CSKA1981

And, that Tretiak guy...he was pretty good too. A long time ago...but....still....

Bowman Is fascinated by Alex Nylander because of the genetics but Nylander just based on his overall laziness and lack of compete Is probably better suited for the SEL or KHL. If the Hawks need a solid shutdown defender Alec Martinez Is a great option.

Bowman Is fascinated by Alex Nylander because of the genetics but Nylander just based on his overall laziness and lack of compete Is probably better suited for the SEL or KHL. If the Hawks need a solid shutdown defender Alec Martinez Is a great option.
- Shady1962

Think we already lost out on Martinez as I believe VGK gave him 4 x 5M?

I hear what you’re saying and I agree. Seabrook quietly made Keith much better but someone posted some stats and I was surprised to see how close in blocked shots Keith was, not only to Seabrook but to Hjalmarsson. While certainly Seabrook helped him, Keith could stand on his own with anyone. I don’t see Jones that way. He needs a very good partner. Jones isn’t in the same stratosphere as Keith in his prime offensively or defensively. The only thing Jones is better at is physical play and while Keith didn’t initiate he never backed down, in fact what he lacked in physicality he made up for in unpredictable dirtiness to give him room.

I have no idea why Leddy was considered much? He was poor defensively and he was ok offensively. He became so overrated by some, especially one, on this site when in reality he was an OK defenseman who was really just a guy.

I almost wonder now that Jones has been signed if Bowman doesn’t now stop the rebuild and build around Jones, Kane, ADB, Kubalik and Dach and try to see if he can build via free agency? If Suter, Deangelo and others are available and can be signed short term within the cap, do you take a look at them?
- paulr

Keith will be a hall of famer but I think people vastly overvalue his offensive game. It was good....but it wasn't great. His defense, speed, and stick checking are what made him elite. Keith's shot was below average....I think Jones has the offensive side.....defensive.....had a rough year. No one is disputing that.

To your point.....I was wondering the same thing Friday when I saw the trade, and I really think Bowman may spend on an upgrade in goal to make this team a legit playoff team.....I am not saying I am NOT a Lankinen fan, but I also think after the hot start we saw all 3 hawks goalies have too many peaks/valleys. Hawks need a more reliable option back there...especially with a younger D.

I really don't see a ton of holes up front......the goalie and a veteran D man to help solidify things I can see being a target....if the price is right...otherwise he likely will hold on to Dehaan and revisit that slot next year when DeHaan is gone.

I just hope they move on from Zadorov. I don't see ANY upside to resigning him. NOne.

Think we already lost out on Martinez as I believe VGK gave him 4 x 5M?
- Popsghostly

I always had Nylander as a poor man's Versteeg. Lots of skill...he just needs more consistency....as a 3rd liner...I think Nylander could be useful. Hawks are going to need depth scoring and just as important as the young D guys taking the next steps,this team needs guys like Suter, Kurashev, Hagel, Nylander all to keep on improving....Borgstrom I am very intrigued by. Reichel......no idea what to expect.

Suter vs Kahun? Who gets the bigger contract? At about the same price (+/- a mil $) who would you rather have?
- Ztra

For me....Suter. Easily...

Bowman Is fascinated by Alex Nylander because of the genetics but Nylander just based on his overall laziness and lack of compete Is probably better suited for the SEL or KHL. If the Hawks need a solid shutdown defender Alec Martinez Is a great option.
- Shady1962

The same label was put on Nylander's older brother, and he was the best player for the Loaves this playoff.

Martinez is going to sign with Vegas, 3x5 is the rumor I heard

Toronto Maple Leaves (Leafs)(Leaf's)(Leafs').
- bhawks2241

......Laffs.

The same label was put on Nylander's older brother, and he was the best player for the Loaves this playoff.

Martinez is going to sign with Vegas, 3x5 is the rumor I heard
- LAHawk

Marner hasn't scored in the last 2 years in the playoffs.........5 career goals in 32 games. For a guy being paid to score....he chokes it up when the big boys come out.

hard pass on acquiring Marner, IF he ever became available. Leafs keep rolling out that same group and keep on losing....hopefully that hockey ops department will never stumble across "insanity" in the dictionary.......

Keith will be a hall of famer but I think people vastly overvalue his offensive game. It was good....but it wasn't great. His defense, speed, and stick checking are what made him elite. Keith's shot was below average....I think Jones has the offensive side.....defensive.....had a rough year. No one is disputing that.

To your point.....I was wondering the same thing Friday when I saw the trade, and I really think Bowman may spend on an upgrade in goal to make this team a legit playoff team.....I am not saying I am NOT a Lankinen fan, but I also think after the hot start we saw all 3 hawks goalies have too many peaks/valleys. Hawks need a more reliable option back there...especially with a younger D.

I really don't see a ton of holes up front......the goalie and a veteran D man to help solidify things I can see being a target....if the price is right...otherwise he likely will hold on to Dehaan and revisit that slot next year when DeHaan is gone.

I just hope they move on from Zadorov. I don't see ANY upside to resigning him. NOne.
- SteveRain

Fully agree on Keith’s offensive game, he was no Orr or Coffey but his career stats are slightly better than Jones’ and quite a bit better than Leddy’s. I’d also argue Keith’s abilities at transitioning the puck are better than both the aforementioned.

Yeah, if Bowman wants to accelerate the run as a playoff team the first order of business is a veteran proven goalie. Though I think Lankinen is close.

Like you said Zadorov, DeHaan, Carpenter and Smith cannot be on the team. And if Nylander doesn’t prove he can earn a spot within 30 games, jettison him to Pluto or the nearest team that will swap a draft pick for him.

It may sound dumb but really to me....the onus is on Bowman to either have in the organization currently (prospect and/or rostered player) or to draft/trade/sign one....and that is Jones's version of a Seabrook. A steady partner to help him out. Take away Seabrook from Keith and you get an entirely different player. I think that goes without saying and said player doesn't have to be some high priced player but even a guy like the hammer in his prime, would have been a great partner for Jones.

I look at it this way....Toews does a TON of things right....more then Kane...smaller, as of important to help wins games, but Toews doesn't always make his line mates better unless he's given a higher skilled guy......where as Kane could and has given lesser skilled guys huge numbers playing alongside him.

The contract and giving up Boqvist doesn't bother me at all......The flip flopping of 12th to 32nd also didn't bother me greatly depending upon if the Hawks selection lives up to organizational promise. Next year's 1st.....yep, it sucks but lets see if bowman can recoup a 1st through a trade between now and then.

Fact is/was, before Friday who in this organization was a top pair defenseman? And for anyone saying "they are still young" i defer to the ages that 2/4/7 started to solidify themselves at the NHL level and separate themselves.

People on here making Jones out to be Nick Leddy is a riot......
- SteveRain

I fully endorse this take.

Jones for Marner! C'mon Stan, get the sleep out of your eyes and git er dun!!!
- mohel

You know...that just might be OK for the Leafs....we could even throw in Nylander to join his brother!

Marner hasn't scored in the last 2 years in the playoffs.........5 career goals in 32 games. For a guy being paid to score....he chokes it up when the big boys come out.

hard pass on acquiring Marner, IF he ever became available. Leafs keep rolling out that same group and keep on losing....hopefully that hockey ops department will never stumble across "insanity" in the dictionary.......
- SteveRain

Go back to the playoffs the Leaves played in. All the teams, beginning with Boston used the same strategy. Contain Marner, keep him bottled up and take his passing lanes away. Both Tavares and Matthews had their best regular seasons with Marner on their lines. Because the leaves have no defense to speak of its an easy team to contain. Identify the player that stirs their drink and stop him. That player is Marner.

Fully agree on Keith’s offensive game, he was no Orr or Coffey but his career stats are slightly better than Jones’ and quite a bit better than Leddy’s. I’d also argue Keith’s abilities at transitioning the puck are better than both the aforementioned.

Yeah, if Bowman wants to accelerate the run as a playoff team the first order of business is a veteran proven goalie. Though I think Lankinen is close.

Like you said Zadorov, DeHaan, Carpenter and Smith cannot be on the team. And if Nylander doesn’t prove he can earn a spot within 30 games, jettison him to Pluto or the nearest team that will swap a draft pick for him.
- paulr

Fair point on Keith....he was exceptional at transition and passing. Leddy.....didn't have interest in him returning (sorry Savvyone) but I get the lure to him when you watch him skate effortlessly.

I have nothing to go by but it just "feels" like the hawks are pushing to ramp up their rebuild. Again....no idea if it's internal pressure to start winning NOW or they feel guys are a lot closer than we as fans see....or a combo of both....but that Jones trade and what they gave up tells me they are going to push to win here sooner than what most of us thought.

Not saying I agree with it, but now that the lane has been picked....see how this goes....I have a guess DeHaan stays on this team unless Bowman is blown away by a trade AND he can find a close replacement to DeHaan at a lower cost.

Bowman Is fascinated by Alex Nylander because of the genetics but Nylander just based on his overall laziness and lack of compete Is probably better suited for the SEL or KHL. If the Hawks need a solid shutdown defender Alec Martinez Is a great option.
- Shady1962

He is? Do you have a link to support that?

Fair point on Keith....he was exceptional at transition and passing. Leddy.....didn't have interest in him returning (sorry Savvyone) but I get the lure to him when you watch him skate effortlessly.

I have nothing to go by but it just "feels" like the hawks are pushing to ramp up their rebuild. Again....no idea if it's internal pressure to start winning NOW or they feel guys are a lot closer than we as fans see....or a combo of both....but that Jones trade and what they gave up tells me they are going to push to win here sooner than what most of us thought.

Not saying I agree with it, but now that the lane has been picked....see how this goes....I have a guess DeHaan stays on this team unless Bowman is blown away by a trade AND he can find a close replacement to DeHaan at a lower cost.
- SteveRain

Next two years while Kane and hopefully Toews are in their prime and you can exceed the cap by the value of Seabrook and Shaw's contracts.