If the Flyers are smart, they put players like Frost and York in the lineup and leave them there. Unless they're completely overwhelmed, which I don't think will be the case.
- MJL

100% agree, they did what they did, now it’s time to see what they have as a team. Give frost and York some rope so they can just play

Side note. Looking at cap space around the league, I am hoping the isles and alike pay out the nose for FA’s.

OK, but in the mean time we have to sit here and watch the same crap year after year as we are told each draft how the Flyers drafted a stud player that has all the tools, only to see him get hurt, or be nothing more than a 3rd or 4th line player?? We must have balance, we must draft well and develop, and we must trade for the right players when the become available.
- jd250

Yeah you have to sit there and wait… if you want to rebuild properly. Or can do as path flyers are dangerously going down and never be good enough or do it the right way. It sucks. But enjoy what you can. The young core developing. More prospects coming and developing. Getting rid of the old guard (hopefully moving them for assets to help speed the rebuild a little or adding to it. )

anyone who is trying to say we gave up good young players this offseason is (frank)ing delusional lol
- black_francis

i do, hes my kind of player......hope he does well here and we resign him
- bradster

Listen people. The flyers are stuck between phases of a rebuild. Yes they have acquired some really nice young players. Now the elite players are need since we don’t have them. Getting rid of 2-3 bad contracts while still having a few AND adding long term big money contract back that aren’t that young core is stuck. I totally get the Ellis trade. And to an extent the risto trade although I would’ve focused after getting Ellis more on gaining higher end talent with my assets instead of focusing on risto. Personally I think the middle pair dman could’ve been addressed in Fa with a cheaper stop gap vet.


What we gave up to clear space (ghost +picks and then the cost to get risto IMO could’ve been able to go after future core higher end piece.

We should be just entering this phase. Sometimes teams and actually usually teams have to do this a few times (flipping young assets to improve.

As it stands assuming risto gets a slight raise extension the d is set or at least pretty much. It’s time to not (frank) up and keep 30year old coots and flip him. We have poop tons of young assets package a few or combo with some picks to get high end talent.

Florida gave what for reinhart? We gave more for risto. Laughable. Just an example.

This team will be made or broke by signing coots for more than 4 year deal. Maybe 5. If we give him 7-8 year deal it’s over think about it.
Coots 8
Hayes 7
Atkinson 6
Ellis 6
Risto 6
Provy 6
Tk 5
That’s half your cap flexibility over next 4+ years. Now add in sandy hart bee coming up soon

Where in those 7 players you see elite talent? Yeah some nice very good players.

Not good enough. Status quo purgatory

Listen people. The flyers are stuck between phases of a rebuild. Yes they have acquired some really nice young players. Now the elite players are need since we don’t have them. Getting rid of 2-3 bad contracts while still having a few AND adding long term big money contract back that aren’t that young core is stuck. I totally get the Ellis trade. And to an extent the risto trade although I would’ve focused after getting Ellis more on gaining higher end talent with my assets instead of focusing on risto. Personally I think the middle pair dman could’ve been addressed in Fa with a cheaper stop gap vet.


What we gave up to clear space (ghost +picks and then the cost to get risto IMO could’ve been able to go after future core higher end piece.

We should be just entering this phase. Sometimes teams and actually usually teams have to do this a few times (flipping young assets to improve.

As it stands assuming risto gets a slight raise extension the d is set or at least pretty much. It’s time to not (frank) up and keep 30year old coots and flip him. We have poop tons of young assets package a few or combo with some picks to get high end talent.

Florida gave what for reinhart? We gave more for risto. Laughable. Just an example.

This team will be made or broke by signing coots for more than 4 year deal. Maybe 5. If we give him 7-8 year deal it’s over think about it.
Coots 8
Hayes 7
Atkinson 6
Ellis 6
Risto 6
Provy 6
Tk 5
That’s half your cap flexibility over next 4+ years. Now add in sandy hart bee coming up soon

Where in those 7 players you see elite talent? Yeah some nice very good players.

Not good enough. Status quo purgatory
- Stayin alive

whats the secret formula to get an elite player?

tell me what stellar young player they lost? And how you can justify they are good? Patrick, awful. Meyers, more bad games than good. Horrible last year. Hagg, easily replaceble. They lost no one that moves the needle thats for sure. So you saying we are setup to fail (not a quote, because i know you will try to correct me, but that was the jist) because we are getting rid of our good young players is total hyperbole, and just flat our wrong. We havent lost any of our good young kids, and made our team much better.
- bradster

The Flyers should've gotten rid of Hart because last year he was one of the worst goalies in the league statistically. Here is what you don't get. Prospects don't move the needle when they are prospects. The young players you claim they kept don't move the needle now or for sure. There is no doubt that the Flyers are better. The question is how much better.

Oh that explains it all. You don’t know coots is a center and farabee is a wing. It all makes sense now
- Stayin alive

i think he's listing his centers first

The Flyers should've gotten rid of Hart because last year...
- MJL

Lol! You are going to make a GREAT GM one day.

The Flyers should've gotten rid of Hart because last year he was one of the worst goalies in the league statistically. Here is what you don't get. Prospects don't move the needle when they are prospects. The young players you claim they kept don't move the needle now or for sure. There is no doubt that the Flyers are better. The question is how much better.
- MJL

ohhh but i do get it, but no one we got rid of as moving any needles. Meyers is 24.....how long should we have waited on him before we traded him, once there was no more trade value?
how much better. I would say considerably, but we will find out. And we didnt lose anyone of signif to make us better. Great job chuck, you got better and kept our young guys for the future

and for everyone whining about "trade couturier" - everything i have heard is that there's no way in hell they aren't re-signing him. it's just not in the cards.

they are going to let g walk before they lose coots and g might find himself taking a HUGE discount if he wants to finish his career here.

Its actually funny that risto is 26, and meyers is 24 but we keep talking about how we have to wait for him, hes so young.

Big, if true.
- BenderRodriguez

True, if big.

Listen people. The flyers are stuck between phases of a rebuild. Yes they have acquired some really nice young players. Now the elite players are need since we don’t have them. Getting rid of 2-3 bad contracts while still having a few AND adding long term big money contract back that aren’t that young core is stuck. I totally get the Ellis trade. And to an extent the risto trade although I would’ve focused after getting Ellis more on gaining higher end talent with my assets instead of focusing on risto. Personally I think the middle pair dman could’ve been addressed in Fa with a cheaper stop gap vet.


What we gave up to clear space (ghost +picks and then the cost to get risto IMO could’ve been able to go after future core higher end piece.

We should be just entering this phase. Sometimes teams and actually usually teams have to do this a few times (flipping young assets to improve.

As it stands assuming risto gets a slight raise extension the d is set or at least pretty much. It’s time to not (frank) up and keep 30year old coots and flip him. We have poop tons of young assets package a few or combo with some picks to get high end talent.

Florida gave what for reinhart? We gave more for risto. Laughable. Just an example.

This team will be made or broke by signing coots for more than 4 year deal. Maybe 5. If we give him 7-8 year deal it’s over think about it.
Coots 8
Hayes 7
Atkinson 6
Ellis 6
Risto 6
Provy 6
Tk 5
That’s half your cap flexibility over next 4+ years. Now add in sandy hart bee coming up soon

Where in those 7 players you see elite talent? Yeah some nice very good players.

Not good enough. Status quo purgatory
- Stayin alive

This does not make sense from your 8th account. If you were posting from your third or fourth account it may fly, but you just seem to want to troll the board

Oh that explains it all. You don’t know coots is a center and farabee is a wing. It all makes sense now
- Stayin alive

What if Coots identifies as a wing? The bee may think he is a center -- or hell a goalie -- you can not pigeonhole players into the positions that you see fit for them!

This does not make sense from your 8th account. If you were posting from your third or fourth account it may fly, but you just seem to want to troll the board
- corduroy

Its like a "cover" account

100% agree, they did what they did, now it’s time to see what they have as a team. Give frost and York some rope so they can just play

Side note. Looking at cap space around the league, I am hoping the isles and alike pay out the nose for FA’s.
- wcorvette

This is not av's M.O

and for everyone whining about "trade couturier" - everything i have heard is that there's no way in hell they aren't re-signing him. it's just not in the cards.

they are going to let g walk before they lose coots and g might find himself taking a HUGE discount if he wants to finish his career here.
- black_francis

I could see two years 5 mil then dropping from there. He has made good money. I could easily see him doing such.

whats the secret formula to get an elite player?
- bradster

That’s debatable. How did we get lindros? I use kings as example because hexy was there for the whole building of the cup teams. Certainly drafting is the best option. However honestly we were too good to draft high and nopa pick was a gift that blew up. Kings traded several times young pieces to try to get higher end talent. Finally getting the right pieces with Richards/Carter. Look at what they gave up to acquire those pieces.

Honestly those really high end pieces are extremely hard to get. How often they come available? What gotta give up? Honestly if you aren’t gonna go try to get eichel type love him or hate him maybe we have to trade in phases.

Just an example and not proposing but put package like tk pick (s) + to get a higher end player. Idk who it’s just example. Then trade that player with assets to get even higher.

Think kinda like trade pick 25 + asset to get to pick 10. Then trade pick 10+asset to get to pick 1.

Obviously it can’t be done in a day. In the meantime don’t make decisions and moves that “just make you better” with no real plan to truly be cup contender. Or put yourself in cap situation in future.

Example g done after this year. At worse he plays season out and bye bye. Jvr plays out last 2 years bye bye. Trade if you can for whatever asset or use in package to get get higher end talent. If possible. If that deal can be made.

And coots…. Omg trade him now. You can definitely get a good haul for him. Once Fa hits and teams spend their money the list of available teams to make a deal with goes down. And the return goes down. There’s win now teams looking for a center. Poach them.

This does not make sense from your 8th account. If you were posting from your third or fourth account it may fly, but you just seem to want to troll the board
- corduroy

What makes no sense

That’s debatable. How did we get lindros? I use kings as example because hexy was there for the whole building of the cup teams. Certainly drafting is the best option. However honestly we were too good to draft high and nopa pick was a gift that blew up. Kings traded several times young pieces to try to get higher end talent. Finally getting the right pieces with Richards/Carter. Look at what they gave up to acquire those pieces.

Honestly those really high end pieces are extremely hard to get. How often they come available? What gotta give up? Honestly if you aren’t gonna go try to get eichel type love him or hate him maybe we have to trade in phases.

Just an example and not proposing but put package like tk pick (s) + to get a higher end player. Idk who it’s just example. Then trade that player with assets to get even higher.

Think kinda like trade pick 25 + asset to get to pick 10. Then trade pick 10+asset to get to pick 1.

Obviously it can’t be done in a day. In the meantime don’t make decisions and moves that “just make you better” with no real plan to truly be cup contender. Or put yourself in cap situation in future.

Example g done after this year. At worse he plays season out and bye bye. Jvr plays out last 2 years bye bye. Trade if you can for whatever asset or use in package to get get higher end talent. If possible. If that deal can be made.

And coots…. Omg trade him now. You can definitely get a good haul for him. Once Fa hits and teams spend their money the list of available teams to make a deal with goes down. And the return goes down. There’s win now teams looking for a center. Poach them.
- Stayin alive

and for everyone whining about "trade couturier" - everything i have heard is that there's no way in hell they aren't re-signing him. it's just not in the cards.

they are going to let g walk before they lose coots and g might find himself taking a HUGE discount if he wants to finish his career here.
- black_francis

Don’t even want g. He’s blocking the young guys Ice time. For any price.

And coots. Hey if he goes short term fine. He get7-8 year term big money this team is cooked

- black_francis

Cf-“we can’t keep bringing the same players back and expecting different results”

Coots~ going into 11th season on flyers

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Don’t even want g. He’s blocking the young guys Ice time. For any price.

And coots. Hey if he goes short term fine. He get7-8 year term big money this team is cooked
- Stayin alive

G is still one of the top players on the team, he isnt blocking anyone. He earns it
I really dont understand your thought process. Benching better players makes no sense at all

I'll say again.....the Flyers are better just by the players that they subtracted!! They basically ridded themselves of 3 soft players(Ghost, Patrick and Voracek). Myers may or may not pan out. I'm not all that worried based on the fact that he seems to lack hockey IQ and seems to get dinged up every time he throws a half decent check. I wish him the best, but he seemed to be 1 step forward and two steps back. This was the softest Flyers team in the history of the organization and drastic changes needed to be made! In this climate that wasn't going to be easy. I give Chucky a B- to date and we shall see what else happens. Thanks!