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dbot
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Auckland -Burn it all down
Joined: 10.22.2008

Jul 27 @ 6:17 PM ET
Ideally yes, but it takes two motivated sides to get it done in a hurry. RFA’s agent may use time as leverage if Benning is in a rush to get it done before UFA opens up officially
- Nucker101



Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Jul 27 @ 6:18 PM ET

- dbot

Just replying to what you said lol
dbot
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Auckland -Burn it all down
Joined: 10.22.2008

Jul 27 @ 6:19 PM ET
Probably right about it looking better on paper, kind of like Yakapov and Yashin looked better on paper
- Mungo


yup
dbot
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Auckland -Burn it all down
Joined: 10.22.2008

Jul 27 @ 6:20 PM ET
Just replying to what you said lol
- Nucker101


And i was laughing at the highlighted part.

all good my guy.


Reubenkincade
Location: BC
Joined: 11.18.2016

Jul 27 @ 6:20 PM ET
What teams would be a reasonable possibility for Schmidt at this point?

South of the border... ?
Fla?

- dbot


Sounds like retention is a problem for Jimbo.
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Jul 27 @ 6:21 PM ET
And i was laughing at the highlighted part.

all good my guy.



- dbot


I mean it would be in a hurry, during the season we didn’t hear much about negotiations, seems like just recently things have picked up and even then we haven’t heard about anything being close so it would need to pick up quite a bit to progress from that point to getting ink on paper within 24 hours.
Reubenkincade
Location: BC
Joined: 11.18.2016

Jul 27 @ 6:22 PM ET
Well Canucks obviously feel different than you do. They are trying to get a contract done now to see if he can play on the big club this year if not the AHL.


Rick Dhaliwal
@DhaliwalSports
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The Canucks have started contract talks with draft pick Danila Klimovich

- VANTEL



I would like to see him get signed. Kid is a type that this team desperately needs. Him and Podkolzin are already my 2 favourite players.👍
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Jul 27 @ 6:22 PM ET
Sounds like retention is a problem for Jimbo.
- Reubenkincade

Long term deal and also would negate the retention savings from OEL deal so yeah that would suck
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Jul 27 @ 6:23 PM ET
I would like to see him get signed. Kid is a type that this team desperately needs. Him and Podkolzin are already my 2 favourite players.👍
- Reubenkincade


Is AHL even an option if his CHL rights are owned? I thought no?
dbot
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Auckland -Burn it all down
Joined: 10.22.2008

Jul 27 @ 6:23 PM ET
I mean it would be in a hurry, during the season we didn’t hear much about negotiations, seems like just recently things have picked up and even then we haven’t heard about anything being close so it would need to pick up quite a bit to progress from that point to getting ink on paper within 24 hours.
- Nucker101


i wouldn't expect to hear a lot about negotiations, i'm sure they're close to finalising a deal.
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Jul 27 @ 6:25 PM ET
i wouldn't expect to hear a lot about negotiations, i'm sure they're close to finalising a deal.
- dbot

Time will tell
Reubenkincade
Location: BC
Joined: 11.18.2016

Jul 27 @ 6:26 PM ET
So an AHL only contract? Don’t that allowed since due to CHL rights.

Also, I don’t believe you can’t offer less or more on NHL deals for ELC’s, it’s a set number, only bonuses are negotiated I believe. I may be wrong on that though

- Nucker101


I don't believe the CHL rights can Trump the nhl rights, if the player hasn't played for you. Obviously this would only apply to players who are in Europe or BCHLand the other provincial type junior A leagues and USHLand NCAA..
It boils down to the fact that the CHL could draft/hold the rights of any player that gets drafted.
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Jul 27 @ 6:29 PM ET
I don't believe the CHL rights can Trump the nhl rights, if the player hasn't played for you. Obviously this would only apply to players who are in Europe or BCHLand the other provincial type junior A leagues and USHLand NCAA..
It boils down to the fact that the CHL could draft/hold the rights of any player that gets drafted.

- Reubenkincade

good info, thanks!
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Jul 27 @ 6:30 PM ET
Lot of buzz around Getzlaf and the Oilers


Also Parise and the Isles
Retinalz
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 01.31.2015

Jul 27 @ 6:30 PM ET
So an AHL only contract? Don’t that allowed since due to CHL rights.

Also, I don’t believe you can’t offer less or more on NHL deals for ELC’s, it’s a set number, only bonuses are negotiated I believe. I may be wrong on that though

- Nucker101

ELC has min and max dollar amount. What I mean is less on the NHL side and more on the AHL side of the numbers. So instead of 850k NHL and the standard 70k AHL offer 750k NHL and 125k AHL.
DariusKnight
Vancouver Canucks
Location: "The Alien has landed in Vancouver!"
Joined: 03.09.2006

Jul 27 @ 6:31 PM ET
I don't believe the CHL rights can Trump the nhl rights, if the player hasn't played for you. Obviously this would only apply to players who are in Europe or BCHLand the other provincial type junior A leagues and USHLand NCAA..
It boils down to the fact that the CHL could draft/hold the rights of any player that gets drafted.

- Reubenkincade


I believe the rule states that if you were drafted from a CHL team, if you don't make the cut on your NHL team, you have to go back to your CHL team. However, I think if you're a Euro and haven't played in the CHL then you are allowed to play in the AHL if you don't make the big team at camp. I think draft rights only means that if you choose to play major junior hockey, you can only play for the CHL team that drafted you and then that rule where you have to be returned to your CHL team applies. I believe Euro players are under whatever transfer agreement the NHL has with whatever Euro league the player was drafted from otherwise.
Retinalz
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 01.31.2015

Jul 27 @ 6:33 PM ET
good info, thanks!
- Nucker101

Basically the CHL rights are only for if they go into Major Junior. CHL rules only apply after they officially sign a CHL contract. Sounds like he is either KHL or AHL bound. Prob gets more play time and better development in AHL, but close to home in KHL.
Benny Blanco
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Islip, Long Island, NY
Joined: 07.25.2020

Jul 27 @ 6:36 PM ET

- VANTEL

Nate, you ungrateful Btard. The perogies are the bomb.
Reubenkincade
Location: BC
Joined: 11.18.2016

Jul 27 @ 6:41 PM ET
I believe the rule states that if you were drafted from a CHL team, if you don't make the cut on your NHL team, you have to go back to your CHL team. However, I think if you're a Euro and haven't played in the CHL then you are allowed to play in the AHL if you don't make the big team at camp. I think draft rights only means that if you choose to play major junior hockey, you can only play for the CHL team that drafted you and then that rule where you have to be returned to your CHL team applies. I believe Euro players are under whatever transfer agreement the NHL has with whatever Euro league the player was drafted from otherwise.
- DariusKnight


Ya, that is how I have read it as well.
Yours was a much better explanation than how I described it.
👍
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Jul 27 @ 6:42 PM ET
ELC has min and max dollar amount. What I mean is less on the NHL side and more on the AHL side of the numbers. So instead of 850k NHL and the standard 70k AHL offer 750k NHL and 125k AHL.
- Retinalz


Gotcha
Nucker101
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 09.26.2010

Jul 27 @ 6:42 PM ET
I believe the rule states that if you were drafted from a CHL team, if you don't make the cut on your NHL team, you have to go back to your CHL team. However, I think if you're a Euro and haven't played in the CHL then you are allowed to play in the AHL if you don't make the big team at camp. I think draft rights only means that if you choose to play major junior hockey, you can only play for the CHL team that drafted you and then that rule where you have to be returned to your CHL team applies. I believe Euro players are under whatever transfer agreement the NHL has with whatever Euro league the player was drafted from otherwise.
- DariusKnight


Makes sense, thanks guys
Reubenkincade
Location: BC
Joined: 11.18.2016

Jul 27 @ 6:44 PM ET
Gotcha
- Nucker101


I believe if it is an ELC, the max in AHL is 70 000
Retinalz
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 01.31.2015

Jul 27 @ 6:52 PM ET
I believe if it is an ELC, the max in AHL is 70 000
- Reubenkincade

I did not know that. I only knew AHL max is like 125k
neem55
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 02.02.2012

Jul 27 @ 6:58 PM ET
I figure QH signs for 4.5x2 and EP signs for 6.5x4 so that would give us roughly 14 mil to sign our RFAs and round out the roster with a couple cheap UFAs and a backup goalie.
- DariusKnight

neem55
Vancouver Canucks
Joined: 02.02.2012

Jul 27 @ 6:59 PM ET
Nate, you ungrateful Btard The perogies are the bomb.
- Benny Blanco

Cant blame him for knowing where/what Winnepig is and saying no.
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