Mike Augello: Leafs Rumors – Kuemper, buyout goalies, Ho-Sang, Foligno
- mikeinbuffalo

P. Suter
J. Halak
N. Foligno
N. Ritchie

I could get behind this. Kuemper I'd like to see some salary retained if possible. It's one year. I'd rather see players like Foligno and Ritchie than old guys like Thornton. Who doesn't love Jumbo Joe? The fans of the team that has to watch him lug his 40 year old ass around, that's who. He's awesome in interviews and off the ice. Get him as a coach or a PR guy or a motivator.
- Monkeypunk

It would need to be a hockey deal as the Leafs don't have many draft picks.
I guess The Yote could get another 2 round pick for next year draft.
2023 would be better

Sarcasm?
- Canada Cup

Nah, me?!?!

Well if I'm being honest, knowing we're fu3ked and not trading any of the big salaries, it is going to be interesting to see what Dubas and Prindham pull out of their fancy stats asses.

The sky is falling sooner or later, doesn't mean I can't get a kick out of watching the mental contortion and maneuvers that will happen during the fall.

Ho Sang
Nick Ritchie
Some random 3rd RHD
Some random B/U G





PS, I do want the Leafs to win. I do hope the Leafs win. But logic and circumstances tell me unless a big salary goes or the Cap magically jumps, things aren't going to be pretty over the next 4 years.

So fun watching the Leafs go shopping at the Dollar Store for useless crap so Dubas can bedazzle it before telling us how great they are and that having the Core 3...well keeping Marner...is the way to win the Cup!

Fu2king AWESOMENESS!!!

Fu2k...
- underhill14

I really get your frustration - what I don't get is what we would get by jettisoning Marner. What do we replace him with that's going to be at least 70% as effective as Marner at goal creation and somehow 30% better at goal prevention? I understand the: We could upgrade ourselves throughout the lineup concept. With whom? Realistically who is available that makes sense? Bear in mind that Marner is basically - at most - $2m overpaid.

For example: Landeskog added with another $3.5m infused doesn't make us better without Marner. If that $3.5m can be used with trading out Rielly and we acquire Hamilton, we might be better.

I think it should also be mentioned that he just turned 24 years old. He is our first first team all-star since Borje Salming in the 70's. Did I like how easily he seemed to get shut down against Montreal? Of course not - but Mitch Marner is not the reason we lost to the Montreal Canadiens. There were more factors than one player.

#67 just to get the old band back together

https://mobile.twitter.co...tatus/1420101286255529994

Leafs should consider Danton Heinen.... good guy, smart plays a strong game. Has good wheels and size and jam... I don' think he was playing up to his contract but that could be a definite outcome of playing for the Swarm...

Wouldn't hurt at all for them to kick the tires on him.. Don't think my Ducks will bring him back with all the kids needing to play.

It would need to be a hockey deal as the Leafs don't have many draft picks.
I guess The Yote could get another 2 round pick for next year draft.
2023 would be better
- dmnted

Exactly. If we can afford Kuemper then we can afford Mrazek, who might be cheaper.

Or we're trading Kerfoot + some middling pick or something, and then looking at a guy like Bonino to save some additional money. I, for one, would welcome a legitimate 3C in our midst.

I really get your frustration - what I don't get is what we would get by jettisoning Marner. What do we replace him with that's going to be at least 70% as effective as Marner at goal creation and somehow 30% better at goal prevention? I understand the: We could upgrade ourselves throughout the lineup concept. With whom? Realistically who is available that makes sense? Bear in mind that Marner is basically - at most - $2m overpaid.

For example: Landeskog added with another $3.5m infused doesn't make us better without Marner. If that $3.5m can be used with trading out Rielly and we acquire Hamilton, we might be better.

I think it should also be mentioned that he just turned 24 years old. He is our first first team all-star since Borje Salming in the 70's. Did I like how easily he seemed to get shut down against Montreal? Of course not - but Mitch Marner is not the reason we lost to the Montreal Canadiens. There were more factors than one player.
- Monkeypunk

We don’t automatically get $10.9M in cap space because that’s how you trade first team all stars and whatever combination of players we want will sign and will fill the holes created by his leaving and those there now.

Leafs should consider Danton Heinen.... good guy, smart plays a strong game. Has good wheels and size and jam... I don' think he was playing up to his contract but that could be a definite outcome of playing for the Swarm...

Wouldn't hurt at all for them to kick the tires on him.. Don't think my Ducks will bring him back with all the kids needing to play.
- dozerD10

They didn’t qualify him

I really get your frustration - what I don't get is what we would get by jettisoning Marner. What do we replace him with that's going to be at least 70% as effective as Marner at goal creation and somehow 30% better at goal prevention? I understand the: We could upgrade ourselves throughout the lineup concept. With whom? Realistically who is available that makes sense? Bear in mind that Marner is basically - at most - $2m overpaid.

For example: Landeskog added with another $3.5m infused doesn't make us better without Marner. If that $3.5m can be used with trading out Rielly and we acquire Hamilton, we might be better.

I think it should also be mentioned that he just turned 24 years old. He is our first first team all-star since Borje Salming in the 70's. Did I like how easily he seemed to get shut down against Montreal? Of course not - but Mitch Marner is not the reason we lost to the Montreal Canadiens. There were more factors than one player.
- Monkeypunk

As a counter argument to this.. Trading 16 allows you to address these said areas.

Leafs don't need to replace offense with 16 gone.. that money needs to go to a true #1 goalie and a youngish big wing... Nick Ritchie anyone... guy had 15 goals with the B's and I think is at least a 20 goal guy with Leafs. Plus he's a monster in front of the net and a true heavyweight.

Ritchie is not worth more than 2mil per season

Nah, me?!?!

Well if I'm being honest, knowing we're fu3ked and not trading any of the big salaries, it is going to be interesting to see what Dubas and Prindham pull out of their fancy stats asses.

The sky is falling sooner or later, doesn't mean I can't get a kick out of watching the mental contortion and maneuvers that will happen during the fall.

Ho Sang
Nick Ritchie
Some random 3rd RHD
Some random B/U G





PS, I do want the Leafs to win. I do hope the Leafs win. But logic and circumstances tell me unless a big salary goes or the Cap magically jumps, things aren't going to be pretty over the next 4 years.
- underhill14

There is another possible positive outcome and that’s that the core that produce at a high level during the season do so during the playoffs. IMO that means playing a different style through the season and applying the skill in a different way. I think this is easier than trying to moving a huge asset and getting useful pieces back in return. There are players that can complement the forwards they have. Let’s see.

Dubas won't touch players with checkered pasts with a 10' pole.
- mjones242

he'd sign Akim in a heartbeat

Ritchie is not worth more than 2mil per season
- Fakepartofme

Exactly my point..

Nah, me?!?!

Well if I'm being honest, knowing we're fu3ked and not trading any of the big salaries, it is going to be interesting to see what Dubas and Prindham pull out of their fancy stats asses.

The sky is falling sooner or later, doesn't mean I can't get a kick out of watching the mental contortion and maneuvers that will happen during the fall.

Ho Sang
Nick Ritchie
Some random 3rd RHD
Some random B/U G





PS, I do want the Leafs to win. I do hope the Leafs win. But logic and circumstances tell me unless a big salary goes or the Cap magically jumps, things aren't going to be pretty over the next 4 years.
- underhill14

Hopefully No Ho sang
Ritchie for under 2m...not worth any more.
Need a decent LW
7 Dman
goalie

Leafs should consider Danton Heinen.... good guy, smart plays a strong game. Has good wheels and size and jam... I don' think he was playing up to his contract but that could be a definite outcome of playing for the Swarm...

Wouldn't hurt at all for them to kick the tires on him.. Don't think my Ducks will bring him back with all the kids needing to play.
- dozerD10

I think the Leafs are in a bit of a unique situation.

We have two LW spots open on two pretty damn good lines. The opportunity to pad your stats playing with Matthews/Marner or Tavares/Nylander doesn't come around often.

I'm hoping we can get one or two of these unqualified RFAs to sign here on the cheap with the hope of pulling a Hyman in a couple years.

As a counter argument to this.. Trading 16 allows you to address these said areas.

Leafs don't need to replace offense with 16 gone.. that money needs to go to a true #1 goalie and a youngish big wing... Nick Ritchie anyone... guy had 15 goals with the B's and I think is at least a 20 goal guy with Leafs. Plus he's a monster in front of the net and a true heavyweight.

- dozerD10

So this is my point, though - specifically who. I trade a 24 year old star - the likes of whom we have wished the Leafs could draft and develop on our own for my entire life - I better be getting more than bloody cap space and room to improve a few spots here and through the lineup. Lose Marner and replace him with Gibson and Manson. We're out of capspace again and now we have less dynamic scoring and two solid defensive defensemen surrounded by a team of defensemen who are designed to pass the puck to a player like Mitch Marner. They might as well change the team name to the Toronto Icings.

Nah, me?!?!

Well if I'm being honest, knowing we're fu3ked and not trading any of the big salaries, it is going to be interesting to see what Dubas and Prindham pull out of their fancy stats asses.

The sky is falling sooner or later, doesn't mean I can't get a kick out of watching the mental contortion and maneuvers that will happen during the fall.

Ho Sang
Nick Ritchie
Some random 3rd RHD
Some random B/U G





PS, I do want the Leafs to win. I do hope the Leafs win. But logic and circumstances tell me unless a big salary goes or the Cap magically jumps, things aren't going to be pretty over the next 4 years.
- underhill14

Ben Hutton LHD for cheap 1 yr contract?

So this is my point, though - specifically who. I trade a 24 year old star - the likes of whom we have wished the Leafs could draft and develop on our own for my entire life - I better be getting more than bloody cap space and room to improve a few spots here and through the lineup. Lose Marner and replace him with Gibson and Manson. We're out of capspace again and now we have less dynamic scoring and two solid defensive defensemen surrounded by a team of defensemen who are designed to pass the puck to a player like Mitch Marner. They might as well change the team name to the Toronto Icings.
- Monkeypunk

That is our team name ... The Anaheim Icings..

Ritchie is not worth more than 2mil per season
- Fakepartofme

Id be content with giving him 3 off of the open market. Young, he must have been on pace for a 20 goal season (or close to it).

He ticks some big boxes that are missing from this forward group, not an easy package to come by.

Sure I'd prefer 2, that's more likely closer to what he's worth. But the leafs aren't going to be the only team after him. The extra million is worth it to fill such a glaring need

I really get your frustration - what I don't get is what we would get by jettisoning Marner. What do we replace him with that's going to be at least 70% as effective as Marner at goal creation and somehow 30% better at goal prevention? I understand the: We could upgrade ourselves throughout the lineup concept. With whom? Realistically who is available that makes sense? Bear in mind that Marner is basically - at most - $2m overpaid.

For example: Landeskog added with another $3.5m infused doesn't make us better without Marner. If that $3.5m can be used with trading out Rielly and we acquire Hamilton, we might be better.

I think it should also be mentioned that he just turned 24 years old. He is our first first team all-star since Borje Salming in the 70's. Did I like how easily he seemed to get shut down against Montreal? Of course not - but Mitch Marner is not the reason we lost to the Montreal Canadiens. There were more factors than one player.
- Monkeypunk

Marner is $2M overpaid but the $11M is still there in total.

I know this is the same circle jerk I've been in with some of you guys for weeks.

So let me make it clear, this is what we get if we trade Marner:

1. Cap Space
2. Better FA and trade options...hopefully tougher options
3. Picks and prospects to restock...potentially
4. A more balanced line up

It's just that simple. Not saying I don't value Mitch's talent, I do. And if the Covid didn't happen and the Cap wasn't staying put for 4 years...I would never want to trade him even after his playoff issues. But??????

This is the reality of where the Leafs are. Hard choices. Don't care that Dubas should've done this contract one way, or make this trade the other way, shouldn't let UFAs walk...none of that matters any more. We will keep losing players we can't afford and we will keep signing shiit players for the next 4-5 possibly 6 years until the Cap really moves.

Bottomline:

Leafs are in a Cap crunch.

Leafs have shown this team cannot win in the playoffs....too many times now.

Leafs "should" move Rielly and Marner this summer to adapt to this new reality.

Rielly for Tkachuk.

Marner for an assload of picks and prospects and CAP, no roster player. Picks should be 2022, latest 2023 so we have players in the pipe sooner than later. Prospects that are really close, especially big nasty D men.

Use Marner's Cap for Hamilton and D Savard...and the extra money for Tkachuk this year and for an extension....Kessel's $1.2m can help there too. Engvall and Dermott is another $2.75...but deal with them next year.

Roll out:

Tkachuk, Matthews, Nylander
Ritchie, Tavares, Galchenyuk
Bunting, Coleman, Simmonds
Brooks, Spezza, Micheyev
Robertson

Muzzin, Hamilton
Brodie, Savard
Sandin, Holl
Dermott

Campbell
??? (but use Engvall and leftover existing Cap)



Tougher and way more balanced line up.

Better PP point shot w/Hamilton on PP1 and Sandin on PP2...even Muzzin with his clapper on PP2.

They didn’t qualify him
- Canada Cup

doesn't mean they can't resign him at a lower amount than what he needed to be qualified at.

David Pagnotta
@TheFourthPeriod
·
12m
No landmines in the path of Zach Hyman signing with the Edmonton Oilers. Still on track, for those curious.

Stay away from Kuemper you bums!

Ritchie is not worth more than 2mil per season
- Fakepartofme

15 goal guys get 2 mill easy, look at Marner.