Well, if ever there was a season to be just good enough to not get a pick in the top half of the draft, this is it.
- Ogilthorpe2

They will be in the top half of the draft.

Strome
Connelly

Khaira

Carpenter

Gaudette

Nylander
They are all still on the team. Their 4th line is going be hideously bad and I doubt JC plays them more than 6 minutes a night.

2nd round pick in my eyes..tho, they used it on a 4th rounder. so it cancels out.
- Elbows15

Makes no sense

Makes no sense
- rwilliams88

Want a chart to explain or will it hurt you?

Hate losing Boqvist and a first round pick, but the players that Bowman acquired are not exactly over the hill and wrecking the youth movement. Jones and Mc Cabe are 27, Khaira is 26 and Johnson is just turning 31. I feel the Hawks took a chance on Fleury for 1 year to allow the Hawks a better chance at being more competitive. Lankinen is not the answer as a true #1, but gives the Hawks a very good tandem if Fleury chooses to play in Chicago. I like the moves, plus there are spots to still be won in Chicago for the likes of Reichel, Borgstrom, Kurashev, Hardman and Entwistle. If they don’t play in Chicago right away, they would be allowed to gain valuable minutes in Rockford playing big minutes there instead of lowly minutes in Chicago.
- ChicagoHope

Not sure about this in such a small sample size as a rookie.

I saw Belfour get 20 or so games in before his rookie year and same with the Dominator and didn't know they'd be stars. Look at Lehner too especially his stats with Ottawa/Buffalo.

3 Boqvist was a 1st round pick. this year's 12 pick and a 1 st next year.
- Elbows15

Right...but Boqvist has been on the active roster for two years so in essence since Jones was a 1st round pick, we swapped 2021 picks and only gave up the 2022 pick....we gave up one 1st round pick

Want a chart to explain or will it hurt you?
- Elbows15

You just don’t make sense, chart or no chart, just not very bright it seems

2nd round pick in my eyes..tho, they used it on a 4th rounder. so it cancels out.
- Elbows15

But its not a second round pick.

Alright here goes, ideally what I would like to see from the forward group. Flame away, this would be a very nice forward group IMO.

DeBrincat - Dach - Kane
Kubalik - Toews - Reichel
Hagel - Johnson - Kurashev
Hardman - Khaira - Entwistle

Extras: Carpenter and Gaudette

Borgstrom starts in Rockford. Move on from Connolly, if it means, he is buried in Rockford, so be it. The 4th line would be an absolute pain in the ass to play against. Carpenter can shuffle in and out for Khaira depending who is playing better. Also, no Strome, I deal him for a pick, for 3 million at his salary, can be done IMO rather easily. If Nylander is the sweetener to move de Haan, fine by me as well.

But its not a second round pick.
- NamedSources

No it’s not...his explanation makes no sense

Bowman is trying to build a team through trades and FA signings. Take a look at CF.

Not a lot of guys on the team that were drafted and none on defense as it is shown.

https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/blackhawks
- Elbows15

You know as well as I that draft picks are crucial regardless of how the team is being constructed today. And for what it’s worth, I have yet to see a hockey team that didn’t build primarily through the draft become successful.

You just don’t make sense, chart or no chart, just not very bright it seems
- rwilliams88

and yet, you can't quit me.

But its not a second round pick.
- NamedSources

Don’t bother. He knows it all. Let it be. It’s exhausting watching him spin it to his favor. Like a 1st round is now a 2nd round pick and how Boqvist is some sure lock to become a bonafide top d man.

Yet when you read ACTUAL scouts not a lot of saying/screaming he was the piece they’ll miss in the trade.

Back to more charts. Wonder if we’ll see one blasting danault deal like i saw or does that NOt fit the narrative?

No it’s not...his explanation makes no sense
- rwilliams88

I'm perfectly fine discussing things with my good friend Elbows by myself...stay in your lane of whatever it is you're doing.

But its not a second round pick.
- NamedSources

Keep telling yourself that and 5 years is the cutoff.

Dems the rules.

You know as well as I that draft picks are crucial regardless of how the team is being constructed today. And for what it’s worth, I have yet to see a hockey team that didn’t build primarily through the draft become successful.
- paulr

Combination of signings, European signings and draft picks.

Can we give it a few years and see if Jones plays well and what the Boqvist and these other picks pan out?

I’ll laugh my ass off of Boqvist becomes a middle to lower paired guy, Columbus 12th overall pick busts, the hawks 32nd becomes a viable asset and Jones hits his prime.

See how that plays here…..but o know….all the Jones haters will say it won’t so save the replies.

Don’t bother. He knows it all. Let it be. It’s exhausting watching him spin it to his favor. Like a 1st round is now a 2nd round pick and how Boqvist is some sure lock to become a bonafide top d man.

Yet when you read ACTUAL scouts not a lot of saying/screaming he was the piece they’ll miss in the trade.

Back to more charts. Wonder if we’ll see one blasting danault deal like i saw or does that NOt fit the narrative?
- SteveRain

The Hawks didn't sign Danault.

Don’t bother. He knows it all. Let it be. It’s exhausting watching him spin it to his favor. Like a 1st round is now a 2nd round pick and how Boqvist is some sure lock to become a bonafide top d man.

Yet when you read ACTUAL scouts not a lot of saying/screaming he was the piece they’ll miss in the trade.

Back to more charts. Wonder if we’ll see one blasting danault deal like i saw or does that NOt fit the narrative?
- SteveRain

I think he is right on the term and the amount...I disagree with what type of player Jones will be...I think he will be great and the last two years...during a pandemic were an anomaly.

Want a chart to explain or will it hurt you?
- Elbows15

Ooh I got one for 'em



This chart has been run through a bunch of models from everything on games played, points, relative to first overall, etc. This one is game score value (factor of games/points/other). But no matter the model, the output chart and drop in value is the same.

A late first round pick is closer in value to a 3rd round pick than the 11th. This would be an interesting draft to revaluate later considering the complications with scouting this past year+.

Edit to add the original research:http://myslu.stlawu.edu/~...s/Schuckers_NHL_Draft.pdf

Then more research:
- http://donttellmeabouthea...aft-pick-value-chart.html
- https://www.broadstreetho...aft-pick-value-trading-up
- https://twitter.com/iyer_...tatus/1232135064089251841
- https://theathletic.com/1...ue-value-of-a-draft-pick/

I'm perfectly fine discussing things with my good friend Elbows by myself...stay in your lane of whatever it is you're doing.
- NamedSources

Don’t act like a tool...no wonder why it’s the same 6 people that post here anymore.

You know as well as I that draft picks are crucial regardless of how the team is being constructed today. And for what it’s worth, I have yet to see a hockey team that didn’t build primarily through the draft become successful.
- paulr

Exactly. 5 guys they drafted. 2 of which were years ago. Hagel wasn't drafted by the Hawks. Buffalo drafted him. He was a FA signing.

Keep telling yourself that and 5 years is the cutoff.

Dems the rules.
- Elbows15

LOL in 5 years it will still be a first round pick.

The Hawks didn't sign Danault.
- Elbows15

No they didn’t but pull
Up the chart showing his earnings vs what he got to quiet the ones that were pining for a reunion.

Awful signing. Too much and too long for Marcus Kruger with the very poor goal finishing skills.

I get you hate Jones. You may be right but let’s give it a few years and revisit. He’s here to stay. This isn’t Brian Campbell. This isn’t Duncan Keith. I’m hopeful he’ll hit his prime and his ceiling. Hawks need it to work out.

Ooh I got one for 'em



This chart has been run through a bunch of models from everything on games played, points, relative to first overall, etc. This one is game score value (factor of games/points/other). But no matter the model, the output chart and drop in value is the same.

A late first round pick is closer in value to a 3rd round pick than the 11th. This would be an interesting draft to revaluate later considering the complications with scouting this past year+.
- L_B_R

Hello m'lady. Ssshh. Let em think I am not making sense.

Don’t act like a tool...no wonder why it’s the same 6 people that post here anymore.
- rwilliams88

Awe what's the matter....no one is agreeing with your ignorant assessments. I've know elbows for close to ten years....you always have the option of not posting

No they didn’t but pull
Up the chart showing his earnings vs what he got to quiet the ones that were pining for a reunion.

Awful signing. Too much and too long for Marcus Kruger with the very poor goal finishing skills.

I get you hate Jones. You may be right but let’s give it a few years and revisit. He’s here to stay. This isn’t Brian Campbell. This isn’t Duncan Keith. I’m hopeful he’ll hit his prime and his ceiling. Hawks need it to work out.
- SteveRain

He is already on his way out of his prime. That is what we have been trying to tell people. I hope the hell he isn't as bad as he was last year but he wasn't very good the year prior.